Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!

[MartinsIzAfraud]

random thought looking at box scores. I remember hearing a couple of years ago, us promising to get Devonte Graham with our 2nd round pick that Charlotte moved up to get. He is balling out this year so far. 17ppg 7 apg off the bench

Charlotte moved up in front of us to get him traded 2019 2nd and 2023 2nd... Magic don't move up in drafts we just give away 2nd round picks for cash

[ezzzp]

Charlotte moved up in front of us to get him traded 2019 2nd and 2023 2nd... Magic don't move up in drafts we just give away 2nd round picks for cash

That's not accurate... Weltman's Magic draft history:

2017

6 Jonathan Isaac: "some" fans were furious he passed on DSJr

25 traded for 2020 OKC 1st (21-30) + 2017 #35: became Markelle Fultz

33 Wes Iwundu: fringe rotation player

35 traded for 2019 MEM 2nd + 2019 BRK 2nd: became Markelle Fultz

X discovered undrafted Khem Birch playing in Europe

2018

6 Mo Bamba: back up C

35 Melvyn Frazier: season ending injury rookie yr, currently non-rotation

41 traded for Justin Jackson: season ending injury pre-rookie yr, currently in G-L

2019

16 Chuma Okeke: in G-L / will begin NBA in 20-21

46 traded for $ + 2020 LAL 2nd

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Charlotte moved up in front of us to get him traded 2019 2nd and 2023 2nd... Magic don't move up in drafts we just give away 2nd round picks for cash

That's not accurate... Weltman's Magic draft history:

2017

6 Jonathan Isaac: "some" fans were furious he passed on DSJr

25 traded for 2020 OKC 1st (21-30) + 2017 #35: became Markelle Fultz

33 Wes Iwundu: fringe rotation player

35 traded for 2019 MEM 2nd + 2019 BRK 2nd: became Markelle Fultz

X discovered undrafted Khem Birch playing in Europe

2018

6 Mo Bamba: back up C

35 Melvyn Frazier: season ending injury early rookie yr, non-rotation

41 traded for Justin Jackson: season ending injury pre-rookie yr, in G-L

2019

16 Chuma Okeke: in G-L / will begin NBA in 20-21

46 traded for $ + 2020 LAL 2nd

calling Iwundu a fringe rotation player is putting it nicely, dude would be out of NBA if he wasn't on Magic team. Justin Jackson was an absolute bust was injured before we drafted him. Frazier also looks to be a non factor.

with multiple 2nd round pick's they've provided a whole lot of garbage.

[ezzzp]

Charlotte moved up in front of us to get him traded 2019 2nd and 2023 2nd... Magic don't move up in drafts we just give away 2nd round picks for cash

That's not accurate... Weltman's Magic draft history:

2017

6 Jonathan Isaac: "some" fans were furious he passed on DSJr

25 traded for 2020 OKC 1st (21-30) + 2017 #35: became Markelle Fultz

33 Wes Iwundu: fringe rotation player

35 traded for 2019 MEM 2nd + 2019 BRK 2nd: became Markelle Fultz

X discovered undrafted Khem Birch playing in Europe

2018

6 Mo Bamba: back up C

35 Melvyn Frazier: season ending injury early rookie yr, non-rotation

41 traded for Justin Jackson: season ending injury pre-rookie yr, in G-L

2019

16 Chuma Okeke: in G-L / will begin NBA in 20-21

46 traded for $ + 2020 LAL 2nd

calling Iwundu a fringe rotation player is putting it nicely, dude would be out of NBA if he wasn't on Magic team. Justin Jackson was an absolute bust was injured before we drafted him. Frazier also looks to be a non factor.

with multiple 2nd round pick's they've provided a whole lot of garbage.

if that's how you want to spin it to yourself...go right ahead, but if you want a dose of reality do some research on how many 2nd rounders ever make NBA rosters, much less become rotation players.

...and FYI Iwundu WAS a rotation player all last year and played solid role for a playoff team - that is a fact...and he's now a fringe rotation player, that is also a fact.

...and Fultz is here because of how they managed their 2nd Round picks...that is also another fact.

[yoyojw17]

Charlotte moved up in front of us to get him traded 2019 2nd and 2023 2nd... Magic don't move up in drafts we just give away 2nd round picks for cash

That's not accurate... Weltman's Magic draft history:

2017

6 Jonathan Isaac: "some" fans were furious he passed on DSJr

25 traded for 2020 OKC 1st (21-30) + 2017 #35: became Markelle Fultz

33 Wes Iwundu: fringe rotation player

35 traded for 2019 MEM 2nd + 2019 BRK 2nd: became Markelle Fultz

X discovered undrafted Khem Birch playing in Europe

2018

6 Mo Bamba: back up C

35 Melvyn Frazier: season ending injury early rookie yr, non-rotation

41 traded for Justin Jackson: season ending injury pre-rookie yr, in G-L

2019

16 Chuma Okeke: in G-L / will begin NBA in 20-21

46 traded for $ + 2020 LAL 2nd

calling Iwundu a fringe rotation player is putting it nicely, dude would be out of NBA if he wasn't on Magic team. Justin Jackson was an absolute bust was injured before we drafted him. Frazier also looks to be a non factor.

with multiple 2nd round pick's they've provided a whole lot of garbage.

and that can be said for most to all GM's in general. If you think about it.... there are around 450 players in the league at a given time.... and 60 new players drafted (some never show... some never play a single game in the league...) it is pretty hit or miss out there.

[EAS Law]

2nd round picks aren’t saving us or any other franchise. This argument is just an attempt to pile onto a crap situation.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

2nd round picks aren’t saving us or any other franchise. This argument is just an attempt to pile onto a crap situation.

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

[VFX]

2nd round picks aren’t saving us or any other franchise. This argument is just an attempt to pile onto a crap situation.

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

Yeah, why not attempt to move up and draft players they actually wanted/fit a need in the second round when you can either sell away the pick or just take “BPA” based on a silly length metric?

Oh right, because the justification is that “they never make a difference anyway”.... good argument. Hey you know what this team could use right now? Offense in any form off the bench. Too bad a player like Graham seems to be providing that to Charlotte who moved up for him. You know, a smart and calculated investment to diversify missing skill sets...

Christ the amount of apologists, and their arguments, amaze me daily.

[ezzzp]

2nd round picks aren’t saving us or any other franchise. This argument is just an attempt to pile onto a crap situation.

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

You mean like sticking their heads in the sand and pulling out Markelle Fultz by using 2nd Rounders as assets? yea he has no offensive potential at all

[MartinsIzAfraud]

2nd round picks aren’t saving us or any other franchise. This argument is just an attempt to pile onto a crap situation.

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

You mean like sticking their heads in the sand and pulling out Markelle Fultz by using 2nd Rounders as assets? yea he has no offensive potential at all

Congrats they’ve made 1 move in 4 years !!!!!

[ezzzp]

BJ Johnson, one of Magic's two-way players has been putting up some nice numbers in the G-League

Read on Twitter

[ezzzp]

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

You mean like sticking their heads in the sand and pulling out Markelle Fultz by using 2nd Rounders as assets? yea he has no offensive potential at all

Congrats they’ve made 1 move in 4 years !!!!!

you don't even know how long the FO has been in place

Hint: Weltman got hired on May 22, 2017, today is November 12, 2019...do the math.

[ezzzp]

2nd round picks aren’t saving us or any other franchise. This argument is just an attempt to pile onto a crap situation.

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

Yeah, why not attempt to move up and draft players they actually wanted/fit a need in the second round when you can either sell away the pick or just take “BPA” based on a silly length metric?

Oh right, because the justification is that “they never make a difference anyway”.... good argument. Hey you know what this team could use right now? Offense in any form off the bench. Too bad a player like Graham seems to be providing that to Charlotte who moved up for him. You know, a smart and calculated investment to diversify missing skill sets...

Christ the amount of apologists, and their arguments, amaze me daily.

Yeah, why not consolidate those 2nd Rounders to trade for the 2017 consensus #1 pick (a player with a ton of two-way potential)...oh wait, they did that.

D Graham last year: 4.7 ppg on .479 TS% / .281 3P% ...I think I'm going to wait until there is more than a 10 game sample to see if this season is real or just a fluke hot streak extremely early in the season.

...btw, that smart calculated GM who traded up to get Graham...yea on the same day he traded Shai G-Alexander for Miles Bridges...ooops I guess his calculations weren't so smart on that one.

[basketballRob]

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

Yeah, why not attempt to move up and draft players they actually wanted/fit a need in the second round when you can either sell away the pick or just take “BPA” based on a silly length metric?

Oh right, because the justification is that “they never make a difference anyway”.... good argument. Hey you know what this team could use right now? Offense in any form off the bench. Too bad a player like Graham seems to be providing that to Charlotte who moved up for him. You know, a smart and calculated investment to diversify missing skill sets...

Christ the amount of apologists, and their arguments, amaze me daily.

Yeah, why not consolidate those 2nd Rounders to trade for the 2017 consensus #1 pick (a player with a ton of two-way potential)...oh wait, they did that.

D Graham last year: 4.7 ppg on .479 TS% / .281 3P% ...I'm going to wait until there is more than a 10 game sample to see if this season is real or just a fluke hot streak extremely early in the season.

...btw, that smart calculated GM who traded up to get Graham...yea on the same day he traded Shai G-Alexander for Miles Bridges...ooops I guess his calculations weren't so smart on that one.

We barely missed on Graham. We had a promise to him and he went one pick before us.


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[VFX]

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

Yeah, why not attempt to move up and draft players they actually wanted/fit a need in the second round when you can either sell away the pick or just take “BPA” based on a silly length metric?

Oh right, because the justification is that “they never make a difference anyway”.... good argument. Hey you know what this team could use right now? Offense in any form off the bench. Too bad a player like Graham seems to be providing that to Charlotte who moved up for him. You know, a smart and calculated investment to diversify missing skill sets...

Christ the amount of apologists, and their arguments, amaze me daily.

Yeah, why not consolidate those 2nd Rounders to trade for the 2017 consensus #1 pick (a player with a ton of two-way potential)...oh wait, they did that.

D Graham last year: 4.7 ppg on .479 TS% / .281 3P% ...I think I'm going to wait until there is more than a 10 game sample to see if this season is real or just a fluke hot streak extremely early in the season.

...btw, that smart calculated GM who traded up to get Graham...yea on the same day he traded Shai G-Alexander for Miles Bridges...ooops I guess his calculations weren't so smart on that one.

Yes they took a flier on Fultz with J Simmons and one of their second rounders in a buy low move. What does that have to do with them failing to deliver on later draft prospects?

The argument was that the FO have punted on later picks because of “flattening out” per Weltmans own mouth post draft.

That and the fact that they had an agenda with the 2nd rounders instead of actually addressing anything or proving that they wanted to move up to take the guy they wanted.

Yes, and thanks for proving my point. Even incompetent franchises can take advantage of getting the players they want later in the draft.

[EAS Law]

2nd round picks aren’t saving us or any other franchise. This argument is just an attempt to pile onto a crap situation.

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

Yeah, why not attempt to move up and draft players they actually wanted/fit a need in the second round when you can either sell away the pick or just take “BPA” based on a silly length metric?

Oh right, because the justification is that “they never make a difference anyway”.... good argument. Hey you know what this team could use right now? Offense in any form off the bench. Too bad a player like Graham seems to be providing that to Charlotte who moved up for him. You know, a smart and calculated investment to diversify missing skill sets...

Christ the amount of apologists, and their arguments, amaze me daily.

I’ll just save you the trouble of researching this because you’re likely very busy coming up with some arrogant response as usual so—

Trading to move up in the draft requires another team with assets objectively better than yours to agree to give you their more valuable assets.

I know that in your mind you just decide to trade and poof, you get better players, because your constant illogical whining about this team and FO indicates as much, but no, that isn’t how it works.

With that said, I agree that we need to stop drafting forwards and centers, I agree we need offensive players, we need guards, and our FO seems to have become too comfortable being ultra conservative with their moves or lack thereof.

Chill with your personal BS that you carried on from last season after pouting about making the playoffs. It’s why this board effing sucks now.

[NotACat]

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

Yeah, why not attempt to move up and draft players they actually wanted/fit a need in the second round when you can either sell away the pick or just take “BPA” based on a silly length metric?

Oh right, because the justification is that “they never make a difference anyway”.... good argument. Hey you know what this team could use right now? Offense in any form off the bench. Too bad a player like Graham seems to be providing that to Charlotte who moved up for him. You know, a smart and calculated investment to diversify missing skill sets...

Christ the amount of apologists, and their arguments, amaze me daily.

Yeah, why not consolidate those 2nd Rounders to trade for the 2017 consensus #1 pick (a player with a ton of two-way potential)...oh wait, they did that.

D Graham last year: 4.7 ppg on .479 TS% / .281 3P% ...I think I'm going to wait until there is more than a 10 game sample to see if this season is real or just a fluke hot streak extremely early in the season.

...btw, that smart calculated GM who traded up to get Graham...yea on the same day he traded Shai G-Alexander for Miles Bridges...ooops I guess his calculations weren't so smart on that one.

I think I'd rather have Bridges + Graham than SGA right now tbh

[VFX]

no they're not but its a shot at maybe finding an offensively talented player instead of sticking your head in the sand for length and defensive hype

Yeah, why not attempt to move up and draft players they actually wanted/fit a need in the second round when you can either sell away the pick or just take “BPA” based on a silly length metric?

Oh right, because the justification is that “they never make a difference anyway”.... good argument. Hey you know what this team could use right now? Offense in any form off the bench. Too bad a player like Graham seems to be providing that to Charlotte who moved up for him. You know, a smart and calculated investment to diversify missing skill sets...

Christ the amount of apologists, and their arguments, amaze me daily.

I’ll just save you the trouble of researching this because you’re likely very busy coming up with some arrogant response as usual so—

Trading to move up in the draft requires another team with assets objectively better than yours to agree to give you their more valuable assets.

I know that in your mind you just decide to trade and poof, you get better players, because your constant illogical whining about this team and FO indicates as much, but no, that isn’t how it works.

With that said, I agree that we need to stop drafting forwards and centers, I agree we need offensive players, we need guards, and our FO seems to have become too comfortable being ultra conservative with their moves or lack thereof.

Chill with your personal BS that you carried on from last season after pouting about making the playoffs. It’s why this board effing sucks now.

So it seems you completely understand pretty clearly defined criticisms you deem as “illogical whining”... good to know.

This board “effing sucks now” (according to you) because Orlando hasn’t been relevant in nearly a decade and people moved past celebrating small victories, as a small market team, instead now wanting to be contending for championships.

These moves matter in the grand scheme of things. Every move matters. Decide to take it personally or not.

[Ducklett]

The front office that made a play on Fultz and drafted red shirt Okeke is conservative? O.o
Seems more like they take needless risks on length.

[MoMM]

Charlotte moved up in front of us to get him traded 2019 2nd and 2023 2nd... Magic don't move up in drafts we just give away 2nd round picks for cash

That's not accurate... Weltman's Magic draft history:

2017

6 Jonathan Isaac: "some" fans were furious he passed on DSJr

25 traded for 2020 OKC 1st (21-30) + 2017 #35: became Markelle Fultz

33 Wes Iwundu: fringe rotation player

35 traded for 2019 MEM 2nd + 2019 BRK 2nd: became Markelle Fultz

X discovered undrafted Khem Birch playing in Europe

2018

6 Mo Bamba: back up C

35 Melvyn Frazier: season ending injury rookie yr, currently non-rotation

41 traded for Justin Jackson: season ending injury pre-rookie yr, currently in G-L

2019

16 Chuma Okeke: in G-L / will begin NBA in 20-21

46 traded for $ + 2020 LAL 2nd

2017 seems a good draft now, however 2018 and 2019 didn't add anything relevant to our depth. Even Mo isn't that useful, because our undrafted player in 2017 (Birch) could do his job easily (and maybe still better).