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Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

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Post#1521 » by RookieStar » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:00 pm

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Don't you dare talk.about the WHITE HAMMER like that!

Seriously though he was one of the reason i became a magic fan lol
Declerq of the courts.

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He had almost no NBA skill other than his size but he played really freaking hard, I always respected that.


Yup.when I changed the channel ( cable lol ) I saw him being demolished by Shaq but he really fought till Shaq dunked on his head. I respect that. Him and the rest of the heart and hustle ( with Tmac later on ). Since then I kept watching Magic games and became a fan.
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Post#1522 » by RookieStar » Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:19 pm

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Optimus_Steel wrote:That was Andrew DeClerq but Hunter had that issue too. It was a given he would step out of bounds once a game.

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Nobody stepped out as much as Peaches.
It was either travel or out of bounds lol. But man was he cold blooded, hit big shots.

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Was he known as the French MJ or the French Kobe?
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Post#1523 » by Nyce_1 » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:53 pm

I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.
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Post#1524 » by VFX » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:40 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


SGA should have been our pick no matter how you look at it. Mikal Bridges is a close second considering we still don’t have a capable starting level SF.

To be honest, with this front office I’m surprised they didn’t take the obvious choice in Porter. Injured and dropped in the draft like a rock. Seems like a pick they’d make.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1525 » by zaymon » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:23 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


SGA should have been our pick no matter how you look at it. Mikal Bridges is a close second considering we still don’t have a capable starting level SF.

To be honest, with this front office I’m surprised they didn’t take the obvious choice in Porter. Injured and dropped in the draft like a rock. Seems like a pick they’d make.


Porter is not a good defender, not very smart, not unselfish and he has huge injury risk. I dont like Bamba, but there were times when he changed the geometry of the court like few players can. SGA cant give you that.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1526 » by pepe1991 » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:00 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


SGA should have been our pick no matter how you look at it. Mikal Bridges is a close second considering we still don’t have a capable starting level SF.

To be honest, with this front office I’m surprised they didn’t take the obvious choice in Porter. Injured and dropped in the draft like a rock. Seems like a pick they’d make.


Porter is not a good defender, not very smart, not unselfish and he has huge injury risk. I dont like Bamba, but there were times when he changed the geometry of the court like few players can. SGA cant give you that.


Issue is that every time he plays against even close to nba rotation level competition ( not backups from 20 wins Hawks team)
he gets coocked.
This is Bol Bol ( literally- 2021 rookie) getting his on him. And mistakes he is making are mindblowing. Jumpin in air to contest Bol Bol's jumpshot. I have so many questions but main one is- why would 7 footer with 7'10 wingspan ever jump to contest shot?

That last play just shows complete lack of coordination he has with his body. His hands go on one side, his legs on other and his eyes in third. I rewatched that play 5 times thinking somebody deflected the ball, but nop, it's just him having zero coordination.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1527 » by Ducklett » Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:57 pm

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zaymon wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
SGA should have been our pick no matter how you look at it. Mikal Bridges is a close second considering we still don’t have a capable starting level SF.

To be honest, with this front office I’m surprised they didn’t take the obvious choice in Porter. Injured and dropped in the draft like a rock. Seems like a pick they’d make.


Porter is not a good defender, not very smart, not unselfish and he has huge injury risk. I dont like Bamba, but there were times when he changed the geometry of the court like few players can. SGA cant give you that.


Issue is that every time he plays against even close to nba rotation level competition ( not backups from 20 wins Hawks team)
he gets coocked.
This is Bol Bol ( literally- 2021 rookie) getting his on him. And mistakes he is making are mindblowing. Jumpin in air to contest Bol Bol's jumpshot. I have so many questions but main one is- why would 7 footer with 7'10 wingspan ever jump to contest shot?

That last play just shows complete lack of coordination he has with his body. His hands go on one side, his legs on other and his eyes in third. I rewatched that play 5 times thinking somebody deflected the ball, but nop, it's just him having zero coordination.



I don't think one game should swing your opinion either way, but using a game when he had the covid issues? o.O
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Post#1528 » by J the Drafter » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:28 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


SGA should have been our pick no matter how you look at it. Mikal Bridges is a close second considering we still don’t have a capable starting level SF.

To be honest, with this front office I’m surprised they didn’t take the obvious choice in Porter. Injured and dropped in the draft like a rock. Seems like a pick they’d make.

Gordon’s biggest weakness as a wing is in his dribble penetration. While dribble penetration is important, Gordon is perfectly capable of matching up with opposing small forwards. Gordon is a good defender and a capable post player, so you don’t lose anything with him as a three (unlike four years ago when he couldn’t attack with his back to the basket). So I don’t think the FO should have taken a small forward based on filling a need.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1529 » by drsd » Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:12 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


Trade down was the right move then and it is my call now.


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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1530 » by basketballRob » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:21 am

Monday is the deadline to offer extensions to Fultz, Fournier, and Isaac.

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Post#1531 » by nicnac215 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 1:58 am

drsd wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


Trade down was the right move then and it is my call now.


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We should have traded everything we had minus Isaac for the chance to draft Doncic. I wanted us to do it.
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Post#1532 » by VFX » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:32 am

J the Drafter wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


SGA should have been our pick no matter how you look at it. Mikal Bridges is a close second considering we still don’t have a capable starting level SF.

To be honest, with this front office I’m surprised they didn’t take the obvious choice in Porter. Injured and dropped in the draft like a rock. Seems like a pick they’d make.

Gordon’s biggest weakness as a wing is in his dribble penetration. While dribble penetration is important, Gordon is perfectly capable of matching up with opposing small forwards. Gordon is a good defender and a capable post player, so you don’t lose anything with him as a three (unlike four years ago when he couldn’t attack with his back to the basket). So I don’t think the FO should have taken a small forward based on filling a need.


Yeah, instead they took a backup Center to sit behind their highest usage player. Great move. Talk about not filling a need whatsoever.

Who said anything about Gordon? You constantly throw out the idea he’s a shooting guard or something which is absurd. Gordon plays next to Isaac out of necessity due to Orlando’s lack of talent on a basic level. Not a chance he starts a single game this season at SF with Isaac out and the Ennis/ Bacon signings.

The idea isn’t to draft a guy because he specifically “fills a need”. Replacing a guy that “does just fine” defending wings (as our second highest paid player), in place of a rookie scale contract, might have been more valuable than drafting a backup big that will rarely see the floor.

That being said, SGA made more sense due to the fact we had no real starting pg at the time. Porter made sense because he was earlier projected as the #1-3 pick before being injured and was known for putting up big numbers, which is something Orlando still lacks.
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Post#1533 » by pepe1991 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 7:01 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
Porter is not a good defender, not very smart, not unselfish and he has huge injury risk. I dont like Bamba, but there were times when he changed the geometry of the court like few players can. SGA cant give you that.


Issue is that every time he plays against even close to nba rotation level competition ( not backups from 20 wins Hawks team)
he gets coocked.
This is Bol Bol ( literally- 2021 rookie) getting his on him. And mistakes he is making are mindblowing. Jumpin in air to contest Bol Bol's jumpshot. I have so many questions but main one is- why would 7 footer with 7'10 wingspan ever jump to contest shot?

That last play just shows complete lack of coordination he has with his body. His hands go on one side, his legs on other and his eyes in third. I rewatched that play 5 times thinking somebody deflected the ball, but nop, it's just him having zero coordination.



I don't think one game should swing your opinion either way, but using a game when he had the covid issues? o.O


Still, on one side you have former 6th overall pick, with 2 offseasons, with 100 regular season games, going at mid second round pick that never played professional game in his life. And just for good measurments, that late second round pick also had injury.
And lottery pick is being punked.
His mistakes are not covid ( heavy breathing, bad conditioning, being out of shape or/and fat )related, he just does clueless things like jumping on pumpfakes and flat out missing ball
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1535 » by basketballRob » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:59 pm

Fivethirtyeight gives us a 68% chance of making the playoffs.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/

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Post#1536 » by Bensational » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:13 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:I wonder, if we had a redo of the 2018 draft and Vlade makes the right decision, who do we pick?

1. Ayton
2. Luka
3. Trae
4. JJJ
5. ???
6. ??? (Mo, SGA, WCJ)

I think Mavs go Bagley, Mo, or WCJ. Those are the rumored picks I remember from that time.


If there was a re-draft why wouldn't Phoenix take Luka? :o

1 (PHO) - Luka
2 (SAC) - Trae
3 (ATL) - SGA
4 (MEM) - Porter Jr
5 (DAL) - Ayton
6 (ORL) - JJJr

Ayton is the biggest question to me. I think I underrate him too much but I'm just not that fussed by what he offers.
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Post#1537 » by drsd » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:41 pm

nicnac215 wrote:We should have traded everything we had minus Isaac for the chance to draft Doncic. I wanted us to do it.


I was all aboard "trade the roster" for Dončić's rights.


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Post#1538 » by pepe1991 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:41 pm

drsd wrote:
nicnac215 wrote:We should have traded everything we had minus Isaac for the chance to draft Doncic. I wanted us to do it.


I was all aboard "trade the roster" for Dončić's rights.


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Mee too, but there was portion of " unathletic Hezonja" opinons here :lol:
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Post#1539 » by RookieStar » Sun Dec 20, 2020 5:55 am

Soooo.... now that we are impressed with our shiny new toy in Cole, how does everyone else feel about our "new" toy that we receieved last year but only recently opened in Okeke?
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Post#1540 » by dsg2021 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:02 am

RookieStar wrote:Soooo.... now that we are impressed with our shiny new toy in Cole, how does everyone else feel about our "new" toy that we receieved last year but only recently opened in Okeke?


Love them both. I’m starting to see Chuma do these little things that add up, like passing better than you’d think. Defending very well. Not afraid of anything on offense, shooting or driving.
Cole is showing a lot more fire and will than I thought. I absolutely love seeing him test himself and challenge himself on drives, and he shoots with insane confidence. Him (and Bacon to a smaller degree) really have released this pressure valve on the team’s sleeping offense that used to pass around the perimeter for 20 of the 24 second shotclock. We don’t need that kind of play no more. And I think the ORL Scouts were given some bigger respect by the FO to make that draft acquisition happen. It also seems like the FO’s type is anyone who’s had, or has, #1 pick potential. Amen to that.
(I’ve said my peace on Luka. He was our Hedo again, at worst. But very likely a franchise star that needed a big push all the chips in to acquire. I literally even said his unique playstyle would have been loved and needed in ORL. But no need to bring it up w he gets news. We’re inferior to DAL’s FO. Get over it. Think like we’ll improve and get the next franchise star, or make too many good moves that snowball us into elite contender. I believe it.)

Markelle is still the most intriguing player to watch though (with no JI). I hate to do player comps now, but where Elfrid Payton was a demonic monster in his rookie year, then scouted and game-planned around, he slowly and completely fizzled out from there. But with Markelle I see the complete opposite effect. He’s continuing to impress me more and more, slowly but surely. He had this fake-out, hesi jumper right below the FT line in the first CHA preseason game that was absolutely insane. He has this handle and sly craftiness that gets him buckets in the paint, buckets in the short and mid range. He has some physicality and some positional size for it too. He is an absolute passing connoisseur on top of that. And I’m starting to feel that if he never gets his dangerous shooting back, he’s still going to hit All Star at least once or twice with something like 16-18 ppg, 8-10 apg, and 5-7 reb. And it’s going to be at really nice efficiency and PER numbers, 3 PT shot or not.

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