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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1521 » by bigdogdylan5 » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:47 pm

Is it bad that I am already thinking of taking a break from the board? We have Chet>Paolo takes, Black and Jett are busts takes, and front office are garbage takes. All before even one regular season game has been played. I just want to enjoy the most hopeful magic season in like 12 years…
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1522 » by Mc-o » Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:57 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Is it bad that I am already thinking of taking a break from the board? We have Chet>Paolo takes, Black and Jett are busts takes, and front office are garbage takes. All before even one regular season game has been played. I just want to enjoy the most hopeful magic season in like 12 years…

This is a group of fans who have seen the worst era in magic history lol we all have ptsd. The negativity helps me temper my expectations
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1523 » by pepe1991 » Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:01 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I doubt it, tho. He'll probably have an injury plagued career.

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if he doesn’t have injury problem he has a higher ceiling than Paolo !

His defensive instincts , size and offensive game are a lot further a long than I realized . Paolo on offense needs isolation and his defense is not great (especially team defense ) . I like Paolo but watching Chet play has got me thinking the magic may have made the wrong pick .


Eh no. Can you imagine a scenario where Chet is/was the primary offensive option? As I kept saying, we ( Magic ) have been dreaming of a guy that we can dump the ball to and expect offensive things to happen. We got that in Paolo.


I want no part over this debate :lol:

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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1524 » by eyriq » Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:05 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Is it bad that I am already thinking of taking a break from the board? We have Chet>Paolo takes, Black and Jett are busts takes, and front office are garbage takes. All before even one regular season game has been played. I just want to enjoy the most hopeful magic season in like 12 years…
When you put it that way .... Haha we need to be better
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1525 » by drsd » Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:23 pm

Mc-o wrote:I like Paolo but watching Chet play has got me thinking the magic may have made the wrong pick .


Smith's jumper has looked really good this preseason, also. In the end, the top-3 picks looks to be great PFs in the NBA. I think histery will show that none of these three is really superior to the other two. If we then ask which PF is more compatible with F-Wagner, I think it is clearly Banchero.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1526 » by RookieStar » Wed Oct 18, 2023 8:39 pm

Mc-o wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:Is it bad that I am already thinking of taking a break from the board? We have Chet>Paolo takes, Black and Jett are busts takes, and front office are garbage takes. All before even one regular season game has been played. I just want to enjoy the most hopeful magic season in like 12 years…

This is a group of fans who have seen the worst era in magic history lol we all have ptsd. The negativity helps me temper my expectations


Don't lump us all in.
Ive experienced the tailend of the heart and hustle
Ive experienced the glory years of Tmac yet never got out of the 1st round
Ive experienced the 19 game losing streak
Ive experienced Tmacs trade demand
Ive experienced Dwightmare

etc etc

Yet I never been that negative. lol
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1527 » by YosemiteSam » Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:11 pm

RookieStar wrote:we ( Magic ) have been dreaming of a guy that we can dump the ball to and expect offensive things to happen. We got that in Franz.


Fixed :lol:
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1528 » by BlueBalls » Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:50 am

Wouldn’t swap Paolo for Chet or Jabari. Period. That’s an irrational take.

But even though you may not agree, discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of our two lottery picks is exactly what you should expect. And most of the people who are critical now were critical when the picks were made, so this isn’t fans turning on these guys 3-4 preseason games in. Things will get worse if these guys struggle in the beginning and the players we passed over to take them look really good right out of the gate.

This is an oddly-constructed roster, and we had assets to improve the weaker areas via FA or trade, and we did nothing to that end other than signing Jingles.

And since everyone seems to be in agreement that our picks are raw works in progress, I’m not seeing a path to meaningful minutes for either of them unless we are a far cry from playoff contention around mid-season.

It feels to me, yet again, our FO doesn’t have any idea whether to cash in some chips and win now, and we’re right in the meaty part of the curve that could grab a low lotto pick or a play-in / 1st round playoff exit. Like the Vuc/Gordon/Fornier/Augustin/Ross group.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1529 » by SOUL » Thu Oct 19, 2023 2:05 am

The weird thing is people watch the games, like the starting lineup, feel the bench is good, then every discussion postgame is how we need to make trades and the roster is imbalanced because the rookies aren't playing a lot of minutes.

There seems to be a lack of correlation between the two. Sure, we need a backup C but also if we're arguing about the merits of not trading our lotto pick(s) for a backup big, that's a luxury to have.

We could use more shooting, yet the only person most agree has no future here or is the most expendable is Gary Harris... so also seems like a weird conversation.

Ideally obviously we end up with a great shooting PG if Fultz never gets better there, which I'm not exactly betting on, but again.. these point guards aren't just readily available at any moment for trade. Jrue was always going to go to a contender, Lillard was not coming here, anybody else is just meh.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1530 » by RichCollab » Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:18 am

It’s time to blow it up. Chet and Smith had good games. We need to tank for the future.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1531 » by drsd » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:34 am

SOUL wrote:The weird thing is people watch the games, like the starting lineup, feel the bench is good, then every discussion postgame is how we need to make trades and the roster is imbalanced because the rookies aren't playing a lot of minutes.


It all starts because the Magic will not be able to afford both Fultz and Anthony. Thus, as it is certain one of the two is moving on, it makes sense to package said player with G-Harris, the Denver pick and spare parts for a starting-SG upgrade. (Or explode the PG core to upgrade starting PG).

Many here see Black as a backup PG now (I am not one of those people). And for them, trading Anthony would seem like a no-brainer - I would hope.

The one thing we learnt in these pre-season games is that Orlando\s guard shooting is still poor. That is not fixed by "depth".
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1532 » by drsd » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:23 am

Less than one week to opening night!
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1533 » by pepe1991 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:26 am

drsd wrote:Less than one week to opening night!


If we lose opening night vs Houston, this forum might implode.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1534 » by KillMonger » Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:04 pm

people too much stock into preseason
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1535 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:25 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
drsd wrote:Less than one week to opening night!


If we lose opening night vs Houston, this forum might implode.


It really shouldn't since Houston has improved its roster and added a very good coach but who am I kidding... :lol:
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1536 » by basketballRob » Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:29 pm

Mc-o wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Knightro wrote:
He's going to be a very good NBA player.

There's a world where he's far more impactful long-term than Banchero :o
I doubt it, tho. He'll probably have an injury plagued career.

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if he doesn’t have injury problem he has a higher ceiling than Paolo !

His defensive instincts , size and offensive game are a lot further a long than I realized . Paolo on offense needs isolation and his defense is not great (especially team defense ) . I like Paolo but watching Chet play has got me thinking the magic may have made the wrong pick .
We'll see. He hasn't played an NBA schedule yet against NBA players.

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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1537 » by pepe1991 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:35 pm

ChosenSavior wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
drsd wrote:Less than one week to opening night!


If we lose opening night vs Houston, this forum might implode.


It really shouldn't since Houston has improved its roster and added a very good coach but who am I kidding... :lol:


So...

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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1538 » by eyriq » Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:38 pm

Wow, ESPN has Orlando 23rd in their future power rankings, which is a look at a team's competitiveness over the next 3 seasons. The biggest weakness in their eyes is management, ranked 26th.

The best teams in the East over the next three seasons are as follows.

Boston
Milwaukee
Miami
New York
Cleveland
Philadelphia
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Atlanta
Indiana
Brooklyn
Orlando
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Toronto
Detroit
Chicago
Charlotte
Washington
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1539 » by p0peye » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:38 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Mc-o wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:Is it bad that I am already thinking of taking a break from the board? We have Chet>Paolo takes, Black and Jett are busts takes, and front office are garbage takes. All before even one regular season game has been played. I just want to enjoy the most hopeful magic season in like 12 years…

This is a group of fans who have seen the worst era in magic history lol we all have ptsd. The negativity helps me temper my expectations


Don't lump us all in.
Ive experienced the tailend of the heart and hustle
Ive experienced the glory years of Tmac yet never got out of the 1st round
Ive experienced the 19 game losing streak
Ive experienced Tmacs trade demand
Ive experienced Dwightmare

etc etc

Yet I never been that negative. lol


Yet, this has been the worst decade in franchise history.

And on this board we survived Darko Miliminutes and lived to tell about it. Oh, Mobley and Franchise bromance too.

I won't say a word about Diener's departure. I was devastated. We've had this coming.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1540 » by OnlyFranz22 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:54 pm

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