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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1541 » by 3ddman23 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:06 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I doubt it, tho. He'll probably have an injury plagued career.

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if he doesn’t have injury problem he has a higher ceiling than Paolo !

His defensive instincts , size and offensive game are a lot further a long than I realized . Paolo on offense needs isolation and his defense is not great (especially team defense ) . I like Paolo but watching Chet play has got me thinking the magic may have made the wrong pick .


Eh no. Can you imagine a scenario where Chet is/was the primary offensive option? As I kept saying, we ( Magic ) have been dreaming of a guy that we can dump the ball to and expect offensive things to happen. We got that in Paolo.


This is what I have been saying
What are people watching to think chet can be a primary offensive guy. Everything he does comes from pick and roll( pop or roll), transition, and around the rim( put backs, ally oops, etc). I have not seen anything that suggest he can create for himself. He has no post game. And his facilitating skills are left to be desired.

I think chet will be a good player if he can stay healthy. He will be a great team/help defender. But offensively it seems like most of his offensive will come off of others( nothing wrong with that but that isn't what the magic needed).

The magic needed an engine. They need a ball dominate offensive force. Like a Luke, like a lebron, like a Tatum, like a giannis, like a kd, like a harden, etc. And we may just hopefully have that in paolo. Weather he turns into that type of superstar or stays in the Carmelo( again nothing wrong with this outcome) territory is what we have to see unfold. We just don't know how it's gonna play out.

One thing I know is after paolo rookie season,He is without question the right pick for the magic. Lets say chet has a healthy rookie season and gets drafted to the magic, does any one truly believe the magic would have made a 12 game improvement and would have jhst as good as an outlook as they have now? I don't belive so.

Why, becasue we needed an offensive engine. A guy to draw double and triple teams. A guy to give the ball to and draw 10 fouls a game. A guy who can push the ball on the break and can put the ball on the deck and either finish for himself or kick it to an open man across court.

I like chet and think he will be a very good player. But to me paolo was the right pick for the magic. Especially the offensive capabilities he displayed in his rookie season.

(Sorry for the rant lol)
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1542 » by eyriq » Thu Oct 19, 2023 7:45 pm

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Why Pat Bev throwing shade?
That's just straight up disrespectful! He must have missed the part where ESPN bases these rankings on projections for the 24 season...
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1543 » by Magic#1 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:22 pm

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Why Pat Bev throwing shade?
That's just straight up disrespectful! He must have missed the part where ESPN bases these rankings on projections for the 24 season...

Um, because they're young and 80-90% of the time it takes awhile for young players and teams to become winning teams. Seriously ridiculous statement by Bev.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1544 » by RookieStar » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:54 pm

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Mc-o wrote:This is a group of fans who have seen the worst era in magic history lol we all have ptsd. The negativity helps me temper my expectations


Don't lump us all in.
Ive experienced the tailend of the heart and hustle
Ive experienced the glory years of Tmac yet never got out of the 1st round
Ive experienced the 19 game losing streak
Ive experienced Tmacs trade demand
Ive experienced Dwightmare

etc etc

Yet I never been that negative. lol


Yet, this has been the worst decade in franchise history.

And on this board we survived Darko Miliminutes and lived to tell about it. Oh, Mobley and Franchise bromance too.

I won't say a word about Diener's departure. I was devastated. We've had this coming.


TBF, what was bad about Darko was his fan club harassing us real Magic fans on why we didn't either give him more minutes or featured him some more. They had the gall to suggest Dwight was holding back Darko.

Nothing more to be said about his lordship's departure... we are just awaiting his reincarnation/2nd coming to this team.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1545 » by RookieStar » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:55 pm

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If we lose opening night vs Houston, this forum might implode.


It really shouldn't since Houston has improved its roster and added a very good coach but who am I kidding... :lol:


So...

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I think the torches and pitchforks come out IF Jabari totally outplays Paolo and gets something like 25-8-5 or something
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1546 » by Skybox » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:52 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
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It really shouldn't since Houston has improved its roster and added a very good coach but who am I kidding... :lol:


So...

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I think the torches and pitchforks come out IF Jabari totally outplays Paolo and gets something like 25-8-5 or something


I'm more interested in the PG battle.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1547 » by OnlyFranz22 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:10 pm

Can’t believe we are even questioning Paolo and his future.

Insanity.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1548 » by msmoore66 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:13 pm

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Why Pat Bev throwing shade?
That's just straight up disrespectful! He must have missed the part where ESPN bases these rankings on projections for the 24 season...

Um, because they're young and 80-90% of the time it takes awhile for young players and teams to become winning teams. Seriously ridiculous statement by Bev.


This is what happens when you give a meatsack a microphone, or so to speak.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1549 » by davey_wavy » Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:54 am

I wouldn’t have minded a Chet / Franz duo if we are being honest.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1550 » by basketballRob » Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:35 am

The Lakers are playing their 6th preseason game tonight. We got screwed on the schedule.

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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1551 » by Residual-Heat » Fri Oct 20, 2023 2:53 am

We better **** win against the Flamengos tomorrow :lol:
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1552 » by dsg2021 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:31 am

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Why Pat Bev throwing shade?


It’s the truth. And we have to stop the ball sharing kumbaya before it’s too late. Paolo and Franz need to instead be high possession players and show that they can be 20 point scorers who took the reign and willed a team into the playoffs. This season.

Ironically enough, they’d still be a passing oriented team, but now it flows from the point forwards.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1553 » by RookieStar » Fri Oct 20, 2023 6:57 am

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RookieStar wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
So...

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I think the torches and pitchforks come out IF Jabari totally outplays Paolo and gets something like 25-8-5 or something


I'm more interested in the PG battle.


Fvv vs Fultz?

Ehh.... Suggs va Green or Brooka trying to stop Franz wouldve been a better watch.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1554 » by pepe1991 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:00 am

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Skybox wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
I think the torches and pitchforks come out IF Jabari totally outplays Paolo and gets something like 25-8-5 or something


I'm more interested in the PG battle.


Fvv vs Fultz?

Ehh.... Suggs va Green or Brooka trying to stop Franz wouldve been a better watch.


Amen Thompson vs Anthony Black in handclapping off bench contest . Now we cooking

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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1555 » by Ralof » Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:58 am

Point of discussion,in my opinion,is not Black or Howard playing time.
It is not even if they are good picks or not,in a vacuum.

Problem is always the fact that the process is always to wait for,buying time and delaying any type of decision as long as we can,keeping open any type of path we can have,taking fewest risks as possible.

(that,by the way,it is how i manage things in my life,difference is that i am not running an Nba franchise :lol: )

you could say you want to develop Black first and give minutes just when he is ready,because that is your plan about him,feeling instead is there is not a plan,but just a perpetous "wait and see"
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1556 » by zaymon » Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:22 am

Ralof wrote:Point of discussion,in my opinion,is not Black or Howard playing time.
It is not even if they are good picks or not,in a vacuum.

Problem is always the fact that the process is always to wait for,buying time and delaying any type of decision as long as we can,keeping open any type of path we can have,taking fewest risks as possible.

(that,by the way,it is how i manage things in my life,difference is that i am not running an Nba franchise :lol: )

you could say you want to develop Black first and give minutes just when he is ready,because that is your plan about him,feeling instead is there is not a plan,but just a perpetous "wait and see"


We have such bad strategy and yet here we are. Young upcomimg team with no bad contracts, potential young stars and future assets.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1557 » by Ralof » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:44 am

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Ralof wrote:Point of discussion,in my opinion,is not Black or Howard playing time.
It is not even if they are good picks or not,in a vacuum.

Problem is always the fact that the process is always to wait for,buying time and delaying any type of decision as long as we can,keeping open any type of path we can have,taking fewest risks as possible.

(that,by the way,it is how i manage things in my life,difference is that i am not running an Nba franchise :lol: )

you could say you want to develop Black first and give minutes just when he is ready,because that is your plan about him,feeling instead is there is not a plan,but just a perpetous "wait and see"


We have such bad strategy and yet here we are. Young upcomimg team with no bad contracts, potential young stars and future assets.


I would point that in,what,SIX or Seven years of this regime ,we won a Total of 2 playoff games,following this Amazing method.

But It Is ok,good strategy,lot of potential,let's see how It ends keeping doing exactly nothing.

I mean,weltman and hammond careers speak loudly about Building Championship contenders with their conservative strategy,nothing to worry about
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1558 » by pepe1991 » Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:45 am

99% of time i forget Jett Howard exists.

In theory he could shoot himself into rotation, but it will never happen because Franz is our best player and Ingles is too crafty.

And he won't see any PT at SG due apsolute cluster betweeen PGs and SGs. I don't think he can play SG, but it's irrelevant really.

In some scenario, if we go ultra shooting, we could play Cole, Harris, Howard, Franz , Isaac. But that is type of lineup who will only be evaluated on nba.com and "5 men lineup" and 12 min total :lol:
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1559 » by Skybox » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:19 am

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Ralof wrote:Point of discussion,in my opinion,is not Black or Howard playing time.
It is not even if they are good picks or not,in a vacuum.

Problem is always the fact that the process is always to wait for,buying time and delaying any type of decision as long as we can,keeping open any type of path we can have,taking fewest risks as possible.

(that,by the way,it is how i manage things in my life,difference is that i am not running an Nba franchise :lol: )

you could say you want to develop Black first and give minutes just when he is ready,because that is your plan about him,feeling instead is there is not a plan,but just a perpetous "wait and see"


We have such bad strategy and yet here we are. Young upcomimg team with no bad contracts, potential young stars and future assets.


Absolutely true for now…hopefully, still a team showing tremendous improvement with no bad contracts at the end of the year…that might involve letting significant FAs walk for nothing (bad foresight by management but still, possibly best move) or trades (possibly with minimal leverage due to timing) or rewarding unexpected stardom- which would be easy but very unlikely

It’s not that difficult to have NO BAD CONTRACTS when 10 guys are on rookie deals or off the scrap heap…we’ll see what happens next as real talent is revealed. They’ve done great so far with contracts of WCJ, Harris, etc…but haven’t faced any real major tests yet.
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Re: Official Spec Thread: Preseason 

Post#1560 » by basketballRob » Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:22 am

Walker would've made the most sense because I think he could've stepped into Isaac's minutes if he went down.

Black is still intriguing. He has a much better handle than Suggs did coming into the league. He's at worst, our 3rd best ballhandler. His defense has been really good and could get him minutes.

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