Official Speculation Thread ‘17-18’: XVIII: The Long Wait Continues

[VFX]

Nobody is surprised by it, in fact, this is what a large majority of us expected when Clifford was hired. That doesn't mean people are all of the sudden going to be happy with it and accept it tho. Taking that approach with a roster that already has such a low ceiling at this current stage and that would be best suited with another top 5 lotto pick this year is going to get a lot of pushback.

Yeah we are a guard or a really good wing away from building something special for the next few years. This team would benefit from at least one more lottery pick. It’s too bad Knightro is right. Its going to be another year of hoping for late season losses when we are out of playoff contention.

Honestly, Its one of the things that makes me question this FO even more. They fell into that 6th pick last year. If not for having one of the most (if not the most) injured rosters in the NBA last year this team is easily picking in the 9-11 range && if we have better injury luck this year which is all but guaranteed to happen that is the range we will be picking in.

Keeping all of our veterans and signing a win-now coach at this stage in the rebuild is a really risky move imo. It drastically increases your risk of fielding a treadmill team instead of one that has a ceiling of a championship contender once this young core is ready to compete. Maybe, they get lucky again but we will have to see. They need a top 5 draft pick badly to add to that backcourt.

Spot on. They got extremely lucky picking where they did because of injuries. I would never have thought Orlando would be 2 picks away from Doncic. Add to that the fact they made no movement in the draft or in free agency aside from trading one bad contract for another. People will argue that “it’s hard to move assets”and they are right, but that’s their job. If they can’t find trades then they aren’t good at their job.

This management has done a terrific job of contradicting themselves this far. Getting rid of Vogel to bring in Clifford. Admitting to a rebuild, but fielding 4/5 same starters while leaning on the same production from the same culprits. If there aren’t roster changes this year, and everyone is healthy, this will be the definition of mediocrity. Which as everyone knows is worse than being a bottom 5 team.

[pepe1991]

All i know is that since 2014 every year Magic enter new season with win now mentality.
Every year around January semi tank takes place in attemp to save season from failing orginal plan.
Only seasons Magic tanked -with plan to tank where years where they drafted Dipo and Gordon. Two of most talentd kids they got in all that -2# and 4# pick.

It does not take a lot time to figure that being top 4 ( guaranteed if you are worst team in nba up until this year ) over 3-4 years is almost guaranteed way for young superstar.

2011- Irving , Williams Kanter
2012- Davis, Beal, MKG
2013- Oladipo , Bennett ( complete suprise), Porter
2014- Embiid, Wiggins ,Parker
2015- Russell, OKafor, KAT
2016- Ingram, Simmons , Brown


Among 18 of them ,4 are bad ( Williams, MKG; Bennett, Okafor) , other 14 are at worst starters. 6 are allstars ,with Simmons, Ingram, Wiggins maybe turning into ones in future.
Simple math summ: from 18 drafted every 3rd turned into allstar ,every second is at worst starter. 3 years in deep lottery, by all odds should land you star +1 good role player and one scrub ( that could be avoided with better scouting of all 4 who were flops )

it's simple as that. Just tank hard.

Ofc you can move other peaces around and find some quality players in that process, but when you "rebuild" it means you are 20 wins team and that's your goal, find quality player but don't get too crazy with it . At the end of a year DNP broken ego is serious injury that has to be cured by 10 games off

[PennytoShaq]

Nobody is surprised by it, in fact, this is what a large majority of us expected when Clifford was hired. That doesn't mean people are all of the sudden going to be happy with it and accept it tho. Taking that approach with a roster that already has such a low ceiling at this current stage and that would be best suited with another top 5 lotto pick this year is going to get a lot of pushback.

Yeah we are a guard or a really good wing away from building something special for the next few years. This team would benefit from at least one more lottery pick. It’s too bad Knightro is right. Its going to be another year of hoping for late season losses when we are out of playoff contention.

Honestly, Its one of the things that makes me question this FO even more. They fell into that 6th pick last year. If not for having one of the most (if not the most) injured rosters in the NBA last year this team is easily picking in the 9-11 range && if we have better injury luck this year which is all but guaranteed to happen that is the range we will be picking in.

Keeping all of our veterans and signing a win-now coach at this stage in the rebuild is a really risky move imo. It drastically increases your risk of fielding a treadmill team instead of one that has a ceiling of a championship contender once this young core is ready to compete. Maybe, they get lucky again but we will have to see. They need a top 5 draft pick badly to add to that backcourt.

Agree but again- ive asked this like 7 times now - how do you magically get rid of all those vets? And there is no coach in the world who would bench them for young guys to start a season. It makes no sense.

The complaints are really more about the fallout from the prior FO than the current one. Almost every player we want to traded is a hennigan player. Its not like weltman went out and signed them.

[tiderulz]

All i know is that since 2014 every year Magic enter new season with win now mentality.
Every year around January semi tank takes place in attemp to save season from failing orginal plan.
Only seasons Magic tanked -with plan to tank where years where they drafted Dipo and Gordon. Two of most talentd kids they got in all that -2# and 4# pick.

It does not take a lot time to figure that being top 4 ( guaranteed if you are worst team in nba up until this year ) over 3-4 years is almost guaranteed way for young superstar.

2011- Irving , Williams Kanter
2012- Davis, Beal, MKG
2013- Oladipo , Bennett ( complete suprise), Porter
2014- Embiid, Wiggins ,Parker
2015- Russell, OKafor, KAT
2016- Ingram, Simmons , Brown


Among 18 of them ,4 are bad ( Williams, MKG; Bennett, Okafor) , other 14 are at worst starters. 6 are allstars ,with Simmons, Ingram, Wiggins maybe turning into ones in future.
Simple math summ: from 18 drafted every 3rd turned into allstar ,every second is at worst starter. 3 years in deep lottery, by all odds should land you star +1 good role player and one scrub ( that could be avoided with better scouting of all 4 who were flops )

it's simple as that. Just tank hard.

Ofc you can move other peaces around and find some quality players in that process, but when you "rebuild" it means you are 20 wins team and that's your goal, find quality player but don't get too crazy with it . At the end of a year DNP broken ego is serious injury that has to be cured by 10 games off

players and coaches wont work with you on that. those losses go on a coaches personal record forever. many players are playing for stats and contracts. they arent just going to lay down and lose every game.

[pepe1991]

All i know is that since 2014 every year Magic enter new season with win now mentality.
Every year around January semi tank takes place in attemp to save season from failing orginal plan.
Only seasons Magic tanked -with plan to tank where years where they drafted Dipo and Gordon. Two of most talentd kids they got in all that -2# and 4# pick.

It does not take a lot time to figure that being top 4 ( guaranteed if you are worst team in nba up until this year ) over 3-4 years is almost guaranteed way for young superstar.

2011- Irving , Williams Kanter
2012- Davis, Beal, MKG
2013- Oladipo , Bennett ( complete suprise), Porter
2014- Embiid, Wiggins ,Parker
2015- Russell, OKafor, KAT
2016- Ingram, Simmons , Brown


Among 18 of them ,4 are bad ( Williams, MKG; Bennett, Okafor) , other 14 are at worst starters. 6 are allstars ,with Simmons, Ingram, Wiggins maybe turning into ones in future.
Simple math summ: from 18 drafted every 3rd turned into allstar ,every second is at worst starter. 3 years in deep lottery, by all odds should land you star +1 good role player and one scrub ( that could be avoided with better scouting of all 4 who were flops )

it's simple as that. Just tank hard.

Ofc you can move other peaces around and find some quality players in that process, but when you "rebuild" it means you are 20 wins team and that's your goal, find quality player but don't get too crazy with it . At the end of a year DNP broken ego is serious injury that has to be cured by 10 games off

players and coaches wont work with you on that. those losses go on a coaches personal record forever. many players are playing for stats and contracts. they arent just going to lay down and lose every game.

2015

2016


2017


2018



worked well for them didn't it? Under same coach.

[PrimeThyme]

Yeah we are a guard or a really good wing away from building something special for the next few years. This team would benefit from at least one more lottery pick. It’s too bad Knightro is right. Its going to be another year of hoping for late season losses when we are out of playoff contention.

Honestly, Its one of the things that makes me question this FO even more. They fell into that 6th pick last year. If not for having one of the most (if not the most) injured rosters in the NBA last year this team is easily picking in the 9-11 range && if we have better injury luck this year which is all but guaranteed to happen that is the range we will be picking in.

Keeping all of our veterans and signing a win-now coach at this stage in the rebuild is a really risky move imo. It drastically increases your risk of fielding a treadmill team instead of one that has a ceiling of a championship contender once this young core is ready to compete. Maybe, they get lucky again but we will have to see. They need a top 5 draft pick badly to add to that backcourt.

Agree but again- ive asked this like 7 times now - how do you magically get rid of all those vets? And there is no coach in the world who would bench them for young guys to start a season. It makes no sense.

The complaints are really more about the fallout from the prior FO than the current one. Almost every player we want to traded is a hennigan player. Its not like weltman went out and signed them.

&& I feel like I and others have answered that question 7 times. Vuc, Ross, Simmons, are all very moveable contracts. There is really no magic that is required, those are expiring and team friendly contracts. Teams look for contracts like those in a trade. Augustine is one of the better backups in the league on the back end of his deal. It's not a contract that is necessarily easily moved but it would be hard to convince me that paired with a Simmons in a trade that there isn't a playoff team in need of both.

The only two contracts that would be really hard to move imo would be Evans and Moz's, but those I can live with. I just wont buy the argument that the other players I mentioned are on unmovable or even hard to move contracts. They are pretty easily moved imo, this FO has just hired a win now coach and is more interested in them bringing us wins then letting them go. Thats what it comes down to.

[Furinkazan]

All i know is that since 2014 every year Magic enter new season with win now mentality.
Every year around January semi tank takes place in attemp to save season from failing orginal plan.
Only seasons Magic tanked -with plan to tank where years where they drafted Dipo and Gordon. Two of most talentd kids they got in all that -2# and 4# pick.

It does not take a lot time to figure that being top 4 ( guaranteed if you are worst team in nba up until this year ) over 3-4 years is almost guaranteed way for young superstar.

2011- Irving , Williams Kanter
2012- Davis, Beal, MKG
2013- Oladipo , Bennett ( complete suprise), Porter
2014- Embiid, Wiggins ,Parker
2015- Russell, OKafor, KAT
2016- Ingram, Simmons , Brown


Among 18 of them ,4 are bad ( Williams, MKG; Bennett, Okafor) , other 14 are at worst starters. 6 are allstars ,with Simmons, Ingram, Wiggins maybe turning into ones in future.
Simple math summ: from 18 drafted every 3rd turned into allstar ,every second is at worst starter. 3 years in deep lottery, by all odds should land you star +1 good role player and one scrub ( that could be avoided with better scouting of all 4 who were flops )

it's simple as that. Just tank hard.

Ofc you can move other peaces around and find some quality players in that process, but when you "rebuild" it means you are 20 wins team and that's your goal, find quality player but don't get too crazy with it . At the end of a year DNP broken ego is serious injury that has to be cured by 10 games off

players and coaches wont work with you on that. those losses go on a coaches personal record forever. many players are playing for stats and contracts. they arent just going to lay down and lose every game.

True but
Im sure tyou can find a coach who would lose games and collect paychecks and smile cough we had one Vaughn.
Im sure theres plenty of such "coaches" wanting to hug such huge money with smile.
2ndly its up to management to gut the team enough so the rest of them no matter how hard they try to win still lose most of the games.You are acting like nothing can be done it is what it is.Deal with it.No.A lot can be done.We just doesnt do it.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Vuc picked up a foul like 30 seconds in the game then let Embiid just have like 4 layups in a row. Vuc is so selfish to think he's that important to stay out of foul trouble. I hope Bamba doesn't learn these loser traits from Vuc. Vuc just wants to pad his stats, he doesn't want to win.

Are you trolling? I hope you're trolling.

No, are you? That's my opinion of Vuc. He'll play great tonight against a smaller player, but I think Bamba outplays him again. Bamba's a better shooter and defender.

Im not the one making asinine comments, so no i wast trolling. Just trying to figure out how seriously to take you which is not very.

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[PennytoShaq]

Honestly, Its one of the things that makes me question this FO even more. They fell into that 6th pick last year. If not for having one of the most (if not the most) injured rosters in the NBA last year this team is easily picking in the 9-11 range && if we have better injury luck this year which is all but guaranteed to happen that is the range we will be picking in.

Keeping all of our veterans and signing a win-now coach at this stage in the rebuild is a really risky move imo. It drastically increases your risk of fielding a treadmill team instead of one that has a ceiling of a championship contender once this young core is ready to compete. Maybe, they get lucky again but we will have to see. They need a top 5 draft pick badly to add to that backcourt.

Agree but again- ive asked this like 7 times now - how do you magically get rid of all those vets? And there is no coach in the world who would bench them for young guys to start a season. It makes no sense.

The complaints are really more about the fallout from the prior FO than the current one. Almost every player we want to traded is a hennigan player. Its not like weltman went out and signed them.

&& I feel like I and others have answered that question 7 times. Vuc, Ross, Simmons, are all very moveable contracts. There is really no magic that is required, those are expiring and team friendly contracts. Teams look for contracts like those in a trade. Augustine is one of the better backups in the league on the back end of his deal. It's not a contract that is necessarily easily moved but it would be hard to convince me that paired with a Simmons in a trade that there isn't a playoff team in need of both.

The only two contracts that would be really hard to move imo would be Evans and Moz's, but those I can live with. I just wont buy the argument that the other players I mentioned are on unmovable or even hard to move contracts. They are pretty easily moved imo, this FO has just hired a win now coach and is more interested in them bringing us wins then letting them go. Thats what it comes down to.

No one has really answered the question because you “feeling “ that those contracts are movable does not mean anything.

Mostly everything you have said is speculation. If there were rumors out there that we were involed in trading these guys i would be upset as well. No doubt about it.It simply is not the case though with vuc. I just dont think he has value until closer to the deadline.

Additonally 2/3 guys you want to move are bench players. Plus I think ross is actually a nice player to have here since we need shooting.

Vuc,evan,dj. Those are the main guys to move. Simmons and ross, ok but it doesnt do much in terms of what you want.

[VFX]

Agree but again- ive asked this like 7 times now - how do you magically get rid of all those vets? And there is no coach in the world who would bench them for young guys to start a season. It makes no sense.

The complaints are really more about the fallout from the prior FO than the current one. Almost every player we want to traded is a hennigan player. Its not like weltman went out and signed them.

&& I feel like I and others have answered that question 7 times. Vuc, Ross, Simmons, are all very moveable contracts. There is really no magic that is required, those are expiring and team friendly contracts. Teams look for contracts like those in a trade. Augustine is one of the better backups in the league on the back end of his deal. It's not a contract that is necessarily easily moved but it would be hard to convince me that paired with a Simmons in a trade that there isn't a playoff team in need of both.

The only two contracts that would be really hard to move imo would be Evans and Moz's, but those I can live with. I just wont buy the argument that the other players I mentioned are on unmovable or even hard to move contracts. They are pretty easily moved imo, this FO has just hired a win now coach and is more interested in them bringing us wins then letting them go. Thats what it comes down to.

No one has really answered the question because you “feeling “ that those contracts are movable does not mean anything.

Mostly everything you have said is speculation. If there were rumors out there that we were involed in trading these guys i would be upset as well. No doubt about it.It simply is not the case though with vuc. I just dont think he has value until closer to the deadline.

Additonally 2/3 guys you want to move are bench players. Plus I think ross is actually a nice player to have here since we need shooting.

Vuc,evan,dj. Those are the main guys to move. Simmons and ross, ok but it doesnt do much in terms of what you want.

Addition by subtraction is a method they should be utilizing. I don’t buy that they can’t find alternative solutions to DJ/Vuc/Simmons/ and to a lesser extent Fournier. If they plan on changing the culture, to surround these young guys with leadership, it makes sense to start with ridding this roster of what hasn’t worked in 6 years.

[PrimeThyme]

Agree but again- ive asked this like 7 times now - how do you magically get rid of all those vets? And there is no coach in the world who would bench them for young guys to start a season. It makes no sense.

The complaints are really more about the fallout from the prior FO than the current one. Almost every player we want to traded is a hennigan player. Its not like weltman went out and signed them.

&& I feel like I and others have answered that question 7 times. Vuc, Ross, Simmons, are all very moveable contracts. There is really no magic that is required, those are expiring and team friendly contracts. Teams look for contracts like those in a trade. Augustine is one of the better backups in the league on the back end of his deal. It's not a contract that is necessarily easily moved but it would be hard to convince me that paired with a Simmons in a trade that there isn't a playoff team in need of both.

The only two contracts that would be really hard to move imo would be Evans and Moz's, but those I can live with. I just wont buy the argument that the other players I mentioned are on unmovable or even hard to move contracts. They are pretty easily moved imo, this FO has just hired a win now coach and is more interested in them bringing us wins then letting them go. Thats what it comes down to.

No one has really answered the question because you “feeling “ that those contracts are movable does not mean anything.

Mostly everything you have said is speculation. If there were rumors out there that we were involed in trading these guys i would be upset as well. No doubt about it.It simply is not the case though with vuc. I just dont think he has value until closer to the deadline.

Additonally 2/3 guys you want to move are bench players. Plus I think ross is actually a nice player to have here since we need shooting.

Vuc,evan,dj. Those are the main guys to move. Simmons and ross, ok but it doesnt do much in terms of what you want.

I don't understand what is speculation about stating that expiring contracts and team friendly deals are what teams (especially playoff teams) seek out in trade talks. Thats not speculating thats just a well-known fact. I'm not stating that deals were on the table or that we would have gotten a haul, I'm just saying that every guy I stated has skill sets that are looked for in this league and would be natural trade target for many teams with their contract situations.

Replace DJ with Briscoe, Vuc with Birch, Ross and Simmons with Frazier and Iwundu, and not only do you get a lot younger but you also pretty much secure a top 5 pick in this draft which would be more valuable than anything else imo.

[PennytoShaq]

&& I feel like I and others have answered that question 7 times. Vuc, Ross, Simmons, are all very moveable contracts. There is really no magic that is required, those are expiring and team friendly contracts. Teams look for contracts like those in a trade. Augustine is one of the better backups in the league on the back end of his deal. It's not a contract that is necessarily easily moved but it would be hard to convince me that paired with a Simmons in a trade that there isn't a playoff team in need of both.

The only two contracts that would be really hard to move imo would be Evans and Moz's, but those I can live with. I just wont buy the argument that the other players I mentioned are on unmovable or even hard to move contracts. They are pretty easily moved imo, this FO has just hired a win now coach and is more interested in them bringing us wins then letting them go. Thats what it comes down to.

No one has really answered the question because you “feeling “ that those contracts are movable does not mean anything.

Mostly everything you have said is speculation. If there were rumors out there that we were involed in trading these guys i would be upset as well. No doubt about it.It simply is not the case though with vuc. I just dont think he has value until closer to the deadline.

Additonally 2/3 guys you want to move are bench players. Plus I think ross is actually a nice player to have here since we need shooting.

Vuc,evan,dj. Those are the main guys to move. Simmons and ross, ok but it doesnt do much in terms of what you want.

I don't understand what is speculation about stating that expiring contracts and team friendly deals are what teams (especially playoff teams) seek out in trade talks. Thats not speculating thats just a well-known fact. I'm not stating that deals were on the table or that we would have gotten a haul, I'm just saying that every guy I stated has skill sets that are looked for in this league and would be natural trade target for many teams with their contract situations.

Replace DJ with Briscoe, Vuc with Birch, Ross and Simmons with Frazier and Iwundu, and not only do you get a lot younger but you also pretty much secure a top 5 pick in this draft which would be more valuable than anything else imo.

Vuc expires this season and expirings are not as valuable as they used to be. So that minimizes the trade market for now until we get closer to the deadline. All I am asking for is any rumors that teams have targeted our guys. I just don’t think they have much value right now, yet you expect the front office to move Vuc, Evan and DJ like it’s easy. I don’t think it is.

I would like to see a younger lineup too, but it will take time to purge the roster. That’s all I have been saying. You can’t assume it is really easy to do quickly, because it just simply is not.

[PennytoShaq]

&& I feel like I and others have answered that question 7 times. Vuc, Ross, Simmons, are all very moveable contracts. There is really no magic that is required, those are expiring and team friendly contracts. Teams look for contracts like those in a trade. Augustine is one of the better backups in the league on the back end of his deal. It's not a contract that is necessarily easily moved but it would be hard to convince me that paired with a Simmons in a trade that there isn't a playoff team in need of both.

The only two contracts that would be really hard to move imo would be Evans and Moz's, but those I can live with. I just wont buy the argument that the other players I mentioned are on unmovable or even hard to move contracts. They are pretty easily moved imo, this FO has just hired a win now coach and is more interested in them bringing us wins then letting them go. Thats what it comes down to.

No one has really answered the question because you “feeling “ that those contracts are movable does not mean anything.

Mostly everything you have said is speculation. If there were rumors out there that we were involed in trading these guys i would be upset as well. No doubt about it.It simply is not the case though with vuc. I just dont think he has value until closer to the deadline.

Additonally 2/3 guys you want to move are bench players. Plus I think ross is actually a nice player to have here since we need shooting.

Vuc,evan,dj. Those are the main guys to move. Simmons and ross, ok but it doesnt do much in terms of what you want.

Addition by subtraction is a method they should be utilizing. I don’t buy that they can’t find alternative solutions to DJ/Vuc/Simmons/ and to a lesser extent Fournier. If they plan on changing the culture, to surround these young guys with leadership, it makes sense to start with ridding this roster of what hasn’t worked in 6 years.

Ok, how and for who? This is the 3rd time I have asked you this directly. The first two times you never responded.

[RookieStar]

https://scorum.com/en-us/nba/@timofey.mozgov/orlando-fess-irvin-and-afternoon-rains

Moz's blog from Orlando is up. Seems like a nice guy.

We finally furnished the house and are starting to catch the rhythm of life here. Weather is all the same in Orlando at the moment: the sun and heat before noon, and in the afternoon the sky gets covered by clouds and round 4 p.m. a strong shower starts. Probably there hasn't been a day when this happened in a different way. Locals say that in October everything will change: the rains will stop, the heat will decrease. So let us wait.

As I wrote before, after the trade to Magic I talked to club bosses only on the phone. Now I met them in person: the management, the coach and the guys. This is a very energetic bunch of people. I like it very much.

There are no super expectations from me here. I am just to be who I am and do my part of the job well. It's still unclear how it goes, but I'll definitely have to fight for my spot on the court.

His wife is hot.

pics or it didn't happen

lol.jok

[basketballRob]

Are you trolling? I hope you're trolling.

No, are you? That's my opinion of Vuc. He'll play great tonight against a smaller player, but I think Bamba outplays him again. Bamba's a better shooter and defender.

Im not the one making asinine comments, so no i wast trolling. Just trying to figure out how seriously to take you which is not very.

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Same here about your opinions.

I'm not sure why people on this board think it's asinine to think that Bamba is better than Vuc. So far he's outplayed him.

[VFX]

No one has really answered the question because you “feeling “ that those contracts are movable does not mean anything.

Mostly everything you have said is speculation. If there were rumors out there that we were involed in trading these guys i would be upset as well. No doubt about it.It simply is not the case though with vuc. I just dont think he has value until closer to the deadline.

Additonally 2/3 guys you want to move are bench players. Plus I think ross is actually a nice player to have here since we need shooting.

Vuc,evan,dj. Those are the main guys to move. Simmons and ross, ok but it doesnt do much in terms of what you want.

Addition by subtraction is a method they should be utilizing. I don’t buy that they can’t find alternative solutions to DJ/Vuc/Simmons/ and to a lesser extent Fournier. If they plan on changing the culture, to surround these young guys with leadership, it makes sense to start with ridding this roster of what hasn’t worked in 6 years.

Ok, how and for who? This is the 3rd time I have asked you this directly. The first two times you never responded.

Quite frankly anyone in the last few years with a shorter contract, mid-late picks, or any buried prospect to take a gamble on. Most of these options are already off the table because of “evaluation” as if evidence didn’t already exist. I sincerely doubt there were zero offers that could have transpired.

Really anything that would deviate from the status quo enough that can either help the team tank properly or give real leadership. I’m not going to post every possible trade machine scenario because that would be silly.

I’m pretty sure almost everyone would rather watch rookies struggle, get good PT experience, and Orlando have a great draft pick; rather than have watched vets yet again fail to deliver anything we haven’t already seen equating to a lower draft pick.

[PennytoShaq]

Addition by subtraction is a method they should be utilizing. I don’t buy that they can’t find alternative solutions to DJ/Vuc/Simmons/ and to a lesser extent Fournier. If they plan on changing the culture, to surround these young guys with leadership, it makes sense to start with ridding this roster of what hasn’t worked in 6 years.

Ok, how and for who? This is the 3rd time I have asked you this directly. The first two times you never responded.

Quite frankly anyone in the last few years with a shorter contract, mid-late picks, or any buried prospect to take a gamble on. Most of these options are already off the table because of “evaluation” as if evidence didn’t already exist. I sincerely doubt there were zero offers that could have transpired.

Really anything that would deviate from the status quo enough that can either help the team tank properly or give real leadership. I’m not going to post every possible trade machine scenario because that would be silly.

I’m pretty sure almost everyone would rather watch rookies struggle, get good PT experience, and Orlando have a great draft pick; rather than have watched vets yet again fail to deliver anything we haven’t already seen equating to a lower draft pick.

I just don’t think our guys have much value. Look what we got for Elf.

And yeah we all want to watch young guys. My only point is that it’s not a failure of the FO that we have not jettisoned 3-5 vets yet. It’s not easy to do without getting fleeced. As the trade deadline gets closer, I think we will finally hear some rumors with Vuc attached. It just has not happened yet.

[Blue_and_Whte]

No, are you? That's my opinion of Vuc. He'll play great tonight against a smaller player, but I think Bamba outplays him again. Bamba's a better shooter and defender.

Im not the one making asinine comments, so no i wast trolling. Just trying to figure out how seriously to take you which is not very.

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Same here about your opinions.

I'm not sure why people on this board think it's asinine to think that Bamba is better than Vuc. So far he's outplayed him.

No. Its asinine to stay stuff like Vuc won't be in the league next year, and that he thinks hes too important to foul. You know exactly what i was talking about so dont try to down play some of the comments youve made. You're a pure hater. Nothing more

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[MagicStarwipe]

They (media/coach) seem to keep trying to hype up Simmons. No idea why.

[Xatticus]

Agree but again- ive asked this like 7 times now - how do you magically get rid of all those vets? And there is no coach in the world who would bench them for young guys to start a season. It makes no sense.

The complaints are really more about the fallout from the prior FO than the current one. Almost every player we want to traded is a hennigan player. Its not like weltman went out and signed them.

&& I feel like I and others have answered that question 7 times. Vuc, Ross, Simmons, are all very moveable contracts. There is really no magic that is required, those are expiring and team friendly contracts. Teams look for contracts like those in a trade. Augustine is one of the better backups in the league on the back end of his deal. It's not a contract that is necessarily easily moved but it would be hard to convince me that paired with a Simmons in a trade that there isn't a playoff team in need of both.

The only two contracts that would be really hard to move imo would be Evans and Moz's, but those I can live with. I just wont buy the argument that the other players I mentioned are on unmovable or even hard to move contracts. They are pretty easily moved imo, this FO has just hired a win now coach and is more interested in them bringing us wins then letting them go. Thats what it comes down to.

No one has really answered the question because you “feeling “ that those contracts are movable does not mean anything.

Mostly everything you have said is speculation. If there were rumors out there that we were involed in trading these guys i would be upset as well. No doubt about it.It simply is not the case though with vuc. I just dont think he has value until closer to the deadline.

Additonally 2/3 guys you want to move are bench players. Plus I think ross is actually a nice player to have here since we need shooting.

Vuc,evan,dj. Those are the main guys to move. Simmons and ross, ok but it doesnt do much in terms of what you want.

Aside from Bamba, Gordon, and Isaac, our roster is composed of expendable pieces from other rosters that we have collectively grown unusually attached to. The difference between the five or so extra wins that they hypothetically provide has almost certainly been more of a detriment to our rebuild due to the damage it has done to our draft position.

We aren't privy to the vast majority of the goings on behind closed doors, but we do know that John Gabriel managed to purge a roster full of veterans in the span of about a week and reconstruct a roster within the span of about a year.

I'm trying to be patient with this front office, but it's difficult to construe their "evaluation" period or lack of activity on the trade front as anything other than a lack of clear direction. Not spending money in free agency and making lottery picks is the very minimum that they could've done up to this point.