Official Spec Thread: Heart and Hustle Magic 2.0

[The Effect]

Assuming Orlando trades Ross for an expiring I would assume we are planning to throw a hefty contract at a free agent this summer.

The only way I can see this being true is if

A) fultz and ji return this year and show that they can be the guys they were projected to be 2 years ago and weham think those 2 plus Cole suggs, Franz and wc are a player away. Is it likely? No, is it impossible, also no

B) they find a buyer for JI, get the #1 pick and decide that a team of
Ayton (my FA of choice) | Jabari | Franz | suggs | Cole
With a bench of fultz, WC, chuma is good enough to fight for the playoffs and develop into a threat quick (think the suns before and after cp3)
This one I can see as a possibility

C) this don't necessarily bring in the highest upside FA, but the best leader\alpha personality to help these young guys develop. Kind of what cp3 or jimmy Butler did for their teams. I don't see a CP3\Jimmy FA as far as skill level but I can see them finding that kind of mentor\leader. I know that's why they wanted Harris, but he doesnt see as much of a leader as those guys. My guess is someone like Ricky Rubio
I see this as most likely

[cedric76]

B) they find a buyer for JI, get the #1 pick and decide that a team of
Ayton (my FA of choice) | Jabari | Franz | suggs | Cole
With a bench of fultz, WC, chuma is good enough to fight for the playoffs and develop into a threat quick (think the suns before and after cp3)

Cole is NOT a Starting PG, he is best suited as a 6th man

JI is here to stay and will be starting next season

[tiderulz]

B) they find a buyer for JI, get the #1 pick and decide that a team of
Ayton (my FA of choice) | Jabari | Franz | suggs | Cole
With a bench of fultz, WC, chuma is good enough to fight for the playoffs and develop into a threat quick (think the suns before and after cp3)

Cole is NOT a Starting PG, he is best suited as a 6th man

JI is here to stay and will be starting next season

JI has to make in onto the court at some point before being a starter.

[The Effect]

B) they find a buyer for JI, get the #1 pick and decide that a team of
Ayton (my FA of choice) | Jabari | Franz | suggs | Cole
With a bench of fultz, WC, chuma is good enough to fight for the playoffs and develop into a threat quick (think the suns before and after cp3)

Cole is NOT a Starting PG, he is best suited as a 6th man

JI is here to stay and will be starting next season

Sure, whatever you say

But if i was a betting man, my money would be on COle being a starting 3 years from now and JI no longer in the league

[pepe1991]

Both Isaac & Fultz will probably return comming off bench.
Over time, if he can stay healthy, and if that happeneds this year, Isaac will replace Bamba in SL.
Fultz thing and starting vs Cole & Suggs will be interesting dynamic to follow. I'm not sure how that plays out.

[drsd]

Assuming Orlando trades Ross for an expiring I would assume we are planning to throw a hefty contract at a free agent this summer.

The only way I can see this being true is if

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I see this as most likely

If ther Magic has 20-30M in cao space, I see a one-year overpay more likely than a spashy FA pickup. THis is the Andre Iguodala type offer on a one year 20M contract. He gets one last mega-payout and the Magic simply extend the expiring for a year.

That said, I could see merit in a big Jusuf Nurkic contract offer.

Suggs/Fultz/F-Wagner/Isaac/Nurkic.

I guess that makes some sense. Maybe Fultz gets shipped for a efficient SG to balance the starting five.

[drsd]

Both Isaac & Fultz will probably return comming off bench.
Over time, if he can stay healthy, and if that happeneds this year, Isaac will replace Bamba in SL.
Fultz thing and starting vs Cole & Suggs will be interesting dynamic to follow. I'm not sure how that plays out.

The reality is that all this depth will star leading to wins. That the schedule is now home-loaded adds to that.

The Magic just won a game were the bench was Okeke, Schofield, Brazdeikis, and M-Wagner. After Isaac, Fultz, Harris, Carter-Williams, and Moore come back, soon it will be Suggs, Fultz, Okeke, Bamba and M-Wagner. Moore and Carter-Williams as a deep bench means Schofield and Brazdeikis can enjoy their time in Lakeland to close out the season; where both belong.

A fully healthy Magic roster has this depth chart to close out the season, I would think:

Anthony/Suggs/Moore
Harris/Fultz
F-Wagner/Ross/Carter-Williams
Isaac/M-Wagner/Okeke
Carter/Bamba/Lopez

Moving forwards, yes Anthony needs to be a 6th man. But there is no reason to rush Fultz and Suggs.

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[SOUL]

Funny how quickly things changed in the last year. Bulls fans thought Vuc was a Godsend early on and then this year they're talking about not even resigning him and debating if he actually brought DeRozan there, Fournier is so hot and cold on the Knicks that they're over him and would pack his bags for any young player, and Gordon is the only one that I think is enjoyed by their team's fans. For all the talk of AG having a big ego and wanting to be in the spotlight, he re-signed a long-term deal in Denver and plays his role pretty well there. I guess it's just the perks of playing next to Jokic but it's nice to see at least one of them securing some footing on their respective teams.

[pepe1991]

Funny how quickly things changed in the last year. Bulls fans thought Vuc was a Godsend early on and then this year they're talking about not even resigning him and debating if he actually brought DeRozan there, Fournier is so hot and cold on the Knicks that they're over him and would pack his bags for any young player, and Gordon is the only one that I think is enjoyed by their team's fans. For all the talk of AG having a big ego and wanting to be in the spotlight, he re-signed a long-term deal in Denver and plays his role pretty well there. I guess it's just the perks of playing next to Jokic but it's nice to see at least one of them securing some footing on their respective teams.

Vuc is having crappy year. That's true.

But Evan plays execlly role he was brought to play. Make open 3s and be reliable third, fourth scoring option. Guy shoots 39,3% for 3 and averages 14ppg ( 55%TS). Could it be more? ofc. Could it be less? Ofc it could.

Gordon's usage compared to Magic days is night and day. There is no such thing as "point forward Gordon" in Orlando. He averages 2,5 apg. Nuggets, however, have 4 players who average at least 4,0 apg. He turns the ball over less than he ever did post 2016-17 year.
His shooting chart is different. He used to take 18-20% of all threes from corner. Now it's 40.
He used to shoot +20% of shots from mid range. Now , for whole season, he took 17 long twos total.
From sub 50% of all shots assisted, to 60% of all shots assisted.
Shut out for him changing, but this Aaron Gordon, Nuggets edition, never existed in Orlando.

Btw where he would even go? His favorite " home towns" are all over a cap for next 5 years. Kings?

[pepe1991]

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on this date, 10 years ago, nugget from Magic history.

[The Real Dalic]

Funny how quickly things changed in the last year. Bulls fans thought Vuc was a Godsend early on and then this year they're talking about not even resigning him and debating if he actually brought DeRozan there, Fournier is so hot and cold on the Knicks that they're over him and would pack his bags for any young player, and Gordon is the only one that I think is enjoyed by their team's fans. For all the talk of AG having a big ego and wanting to be in the spotlight, he re-signed a long-term deal in Denver and plays his role pretty well there. I guess it's just the perks of playing next to Jokic but it's nice to see at least one of them securing some footing on their respective teams.

While Vuc is having a down year for sure, let's remember that Bulls fans also crapped on WCJ. I wouldn't use their words as gospel on players.

AG was always a good role player type. He's on a team with a clear pecking order and their coaching staff does a good job making sure he doesn't do any of the boneheaded things he used to do with us. He should be a valuable player for awhile if he continues to play his role well.

As for Fournier, I've always been up and down on him, but I also want to be fair to him in saying that his two teams after the Magic have not been great in terms of chemistry and organization. The Celtics have been having chemistry issues since Kyrie was there. The Knicks have obviously been awful until just last year. I still believe Fournier can be a pretty good 4th-7th option type of role player on a true contender.

[jezzerinho]

Funny how quickly things changed in the last year. Bulls fans thought Vuc was a Godsend early on and then this year they're talking about not even resigning him and debating if he actually brought DeRozan there, Fournier is so hot and cold on the Knicks that they're over him and would pack his bags for any young player, and Gordon is the only one that I think is enjoyed by their team's fans. For all the talk of AG having a big ego and wanting to be in the spotlight, he re-signed a long-term deal in Denver and plays his role pretty well there. I guess it's just the perks of playing next to Jokic but it's nice to see at least one of them securing some footing on their respective teams.

While Vuc is having a down year for sure, let's remember that Bulls fans also crapped on WCJ. I wouldn't use their words as gospel on players.

AG was always a good role player type. He's on a team with a clear pecking order and their coaching staff does a good job making sure he doesn't do any of the boneheaded things he used to do with us. He should be a valuable player for awhile if he continues to play his role well.

As for Fournier, I've always been up and down on him, but I also want to be fair to him in saying that his two teams after the Magic have not been great in terms of chemistry and organization. The Celtics have been having chemistry issues since Kyrie was there. The Knicks have obviously been awful until just last year. I still believe Fournier can be a pretty good 4th-7th option type of role player on a true contender.

Vuc is a contract-year hero and in-between he's not worth the salary.

[The Real Dalic]

Funny how quickly things changed in the last year. Bulls fans thought Vuc was a Godsend early on and then this year they're talking about not even resigning him and debating if he actually brought DeRozan there, Fournier is so hot and cold on the Knicks that they're over him and would pack his bags for any young player, and Gordon is the only one that I think is enjoyed by their team's fans. For all the talk of AG having a big ego and wanting to be in the spotlight, he re-signed a long-term deal in Denver and plays his role pretty well there. I guess it's just the perks of playing next to Jokic but it's nice to see at least one of them securing some footing on their respective teams.

While Vuc is having a down year for sure, let's remember that Bulls fans also crapped on WCJ. I wouldn't use their words as gospel on players.

AG was always a good role player type. He's on a team with a clear pecking order and their coaching staff does a good job making sure he doesn't do any of the boneheaded things he used to do with us. He should be a valuable player for awhile if he continues to play his role well.

As for Fournier, I've always been up and down on him, but I also want to be fair to him in saying that his two teams after the Magic have not been great in terms of chemistry and organization. The Celtics have been having chemistry issues since Kyrie was there. The Knicks have obviously been awful until just last year. I still believe Fournier can be a pretty good 4th-7th option type of role player on a true contender.

Vuc is a contract-year hero and in-between he's not worth the salary.

That's a fair opinion to have. I disagree with it, but can see why people would think that. All I'm saying is that using Bulls fans opinions on Vuc isn't very fair. They crapped on WCJ his entire time there, yet he's been easily our best big since he's been here. A very solid player so far.

But obviously Vuc is underperforming right now. I wouldn't say it's been hurting them too much though, considering they're a top team in the NBA. The only reason they're falling off is because they don't have Lavine and two great and important role players for them in Ball and Caruso. That's without mentioning other players like Javonte Green and Derrick Jones Jr either.

[tiderulz]

Ayo with another good game for Chicago. Boy, would have been nice if we had a 2nd we could have used on him. oh wait, we did have one and could have taken him

[pepe1991]

Cam asked for trade because he thought he needs more PT. Ended up on Knicks like a month ago, now he is already royal member of Thib's DNP squad. I guess not enough defense

[The Effect]

Cam asked for trade because he thought he needs more PT. Ended up on Knicks like a month ago, now he is already royal member of Thib's DNP squad. I guess not enough defense

January 13th was a month ago? Wow this year is going by fast... Well happy Valentine's day

[Ducklett]

Cam asked for trade because he thought he needs more PT. Ended up on Knicks like a month ago, now he is already royal member of Thib's DNP squad. I guess not enough defense

Pepe he was only available to play two games and he played in one and not the other because Thibs said he wasn't willing to change his rotation for a guy that had only been available for a week. Doesn't mean he doesn't suck though.

[pepe1991]

Cam asked for trade because he thought he needs more PT. Ended up on Knicks like a month ago, now he is already royal member of Thib's DNP squad. I guess not enough defense

Pepe he was only available to play two games and he played in one and not the other because Thibs said he wasn't willing to change his rotation for a guy that had only been available for a week. Doesn't mean he doesn't suck though.

He played 5 min for Knicks so far. All five vs Clippers. Last night he ( Thib) just elected not to use him.

[Ducklett]

Cam asked for trade because he thought he needs more PT. Ended up on Knicks like a month ago, now he is already royal member of Thib's DNP squad. I guess not enough defense

Pepe he was only available to play two games and he played in one and not the other because Thibs said he wasn't willing to change his rotation for a guy that had only been available for a week. Doesn't mean he doesn't suck though.

He played 5 min for Knicks so far. All five vs Clippers. Last night he just elected not to use him.

I understand that pepe, but he was only available to be played tonight and last night and Thibs said he wasn't going to change his rotation for a guy that had only been available to play for 2 days.

[pepe1991]

Pepe he was only available to play two games and he played in one and not the other because Thibs said he wasn't willing to change his rotation for a guy that had only been available for a week. Doesn't mean he doesn't suck though.

He played 5 min for Knicks so far. All five vs Clippers. Last night he just elected not to use him.

I understand that pepe, but he was only available to be played tonight and last night and Thibs said he wasn't going to change his rotation for a guy that had only been available to play for 2 days.

My post really had little to nothing to do about Cam, more about Thib experience
Guy has history of playing his "soldiers" for 40 min a game and everybody else are in constant doghouse