mojosodope wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:tiderulz wrote:
i think you can compare, if they are doing the same things. If the ball is stopping in Dipo's hands (which it used to when he was playing PG, i do like him better now that he can concentrate on just SG) or when he goes 6-20 on a night, and he hasnt shown me this extreme defense. Yet on a night when Dipo will go 6-20 and Harris goes 5-15, people will only criticize Harris. I agree that situations are different with regard to RFA and his contract situation. Like i said, im for whatever improves the team. It just seems that some players escape criticism while doing the exact things that Harris gets criticized for, and i cant understand why.
As for the game last night, i had to take my kids out, so i didnt get to watch it. But even though he has said the right things in the paper, you can tell he doesnt like coming off the bench and having his minutes reduced. Again, similar situation, Harris comes back from injury and JV puts him off the bench, Dipo comes back from injury and is immediately starting at SG, which we can all agree seems to have bother Fournier who was playing well in the starting lineup and is now a shell of his previous play.
I seem to remember a time when Tobes would always get the benefit of the doubt, all the time, and If you said one negative thing about him you'd get flamed. Now it seems as though people are finally seeing that he's a 17/8 player (like I said he would be all offseason.) when they thought he would be a "beast" 20+ppg 10 rpg player without Afflalo and Jameer.
People hyped him up in their head and now reality has hit that he's close to his ceiling and people are kinda turning on him. I think his recent slump is because of Vaughn personally and even last night he only played 20 mpg which makes no sense to me considering our record when hitting the 100 point mark. If anything Tobes is a consistent scorer and rebounder which are things the team is struggling with. Its no coincidence that we've been struggling on the glass since his minutes have been capped or whatever Vaughn is doing. He's our second best scorer and rebounder and needs to play big minutes for us to win.
tiderulz wrote:
how would that make sense? Jrue is a starting PG, has been for years and is 24. I cant see him being a "good soldier" and moving to the bench willingly. plus, you want to pay the backup PG $11mil+/yr?
and Harris for Holiday makes no sense....
Not sure there was ever a time where Harris was given the benefit of the doubt. The offseason was filled with people who argued he was worth no more than the 8-9 per year we offered him.
Your selective memory on claiming he was a career 17/8 player is comical at best. For 2 years you claimed that Harkless was a better option at the 3 than him.
What's comical is you putting together a bunch of words to paint an incorrect picture of what I said. An irrational love fest for Harris has done that to people though. Allow me to set you straight...
When people sort through the BS you posted they'll see what I actually said was that, imo, he fit in better with the starters we had at the time which was Jameer and Afflalo since he didn't need the ball. He could focus on defense and hitting open shots....
Harris needs the ball to be effective, he did then and he does now, and that at the time he could boost our bench scoring because he wouldn't have to be a third option behind Jameer and Afflalo and have the ball exclusively in his hands. I also said that Harkless is a better option defensively which is also true. What people who would suckle Harris's teet at the drop of a dime if he asked them to, saw was "Oh Emm Gee you're a hater" and "You think Harkless is the better player". As is typical with people who have an irrational love for Harris you've also failed to mention, from that very same debate, that I also thought Harris was the better over all scorer, competitor, and rebounder than Harkless.
Now it appears the market is dictating a value above what we COULD have resigned him for and this board is ready to pretend that we will be better off without him, nevermind the fact that the slump he is in is almost purely manufactured by our dingbat of a coach.
Let's take a trip down memory lane to the first 5 games of the regular season when Harris was essentially in another slump and stinking it up. Half the board was ready to get rid of him then as well.
I wasn't talking about this season. The last two season you couldn't start a post with "I don't think Harris can..." without one of his defenders coming to his rescue with tears probably running down their face. "you just hate him because we didn't draft him." as if that matters.
Also, nobody said we'd be better without him. Just like your love for Harris distorts your ability to comprehend what I was saying in the Harkless debate, it has also led you to unfairly accuse people of saying things they didn't say. What people don't want is to overpay for a two dimensional tweener who struggles defending the only two positions he can play. Hopefully Hennigan will dictate what he gets and if Tobes doesn't like it then he can hit bricks. My hope would be that Hennigan does what's best for the team, and personally I think that's adding elite players around Harris. I now think what's happening to our team and its young players is a direct result of our coaching. Just like Hark and AN, I think Harris could benefit from a coach who knows how to use him to his fullest potential.
