The Mario Thread 2016-17

Post #161 » by **MagicMadness** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:54 am

I liked Hezonja's aggressiveness tonight.

Nothing really went right for the Magic - and Hezonja was only 5 for 15 - but he had some good looks and did well at getting himself in position (yes, most of his scoring was in garbage time). It's a step in the right direction, after a timid preseason and Game 1. When that shot starts dropping, he'll be a deadly weapon off the bench.

ziggy77 · Post #162 » by **ziggy77** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 10:44 am

Watch on YouTube

Just let the guy play and shoot the ball. Let him make mistakes and have off shooting nights it will reward you in the future. The potential is still there. It's simple as that. Some day some other team will do that and Magic will be really sorry.

pepe1991 · Post #163 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:07 pm

In last 2 games, Mario made least deffensive mistakes on Magic roster. Why Green still gets payed by GMs is still beyond me.
Last night Magic team was sooo bad.
If he connects his shots in future he will look much better. Also he keeps his TOs under control in first 2 games.

CroAnon · Post #164 » by **CroAnon** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:15 pm

Right now I think Mario is a bad spot up shooter. Hes a rhythm player, needs to be involved, run the floor... When was the last time we saw a dunk from him. His defense is looking better, he is a scrappy player and plays with heart, his handles even looked better even if it was in garbage time...

His activity in 4th last night gave me a glimmer of hope. Hope I see Payton, AG and Mario run the floor once again...

erod009 · Post #165 » by **erod009** » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:29 pm

Mario should start over Ibaka, Gordon to the 4.

Gordon · Post #166 » by **Gordon** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:51 am

Mario is awful at basketball. Now that shots are not falling for him, it is becoming clear how bad he is at everything else. Some centers have better ballhandling than him. He is walking turnover machine.

I would look to trade him while he retains some value and reputation around the league.

zelenooq · Post #167 » by **zelenooq** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:07 pm

Mario continuously improve defense and attacking the rim with changing direction and ball handling is better than last year
Something he didnt learn but he improve every day under vogel and i think vogel will let him he learning from mistakes unlike skiles didnt
In the middle of season he will shine
I am not worried about his jump shot,he is natural born shooter, he just focused on defense and attacking the rim right now so his percentage for jump shot just dropped down for while
Unlike fournier hezonja move the ball to better positioned team player
He is not selfish for sure
He is hard worker

axl_c_cool · Post #168 » by **axl_c_cool** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:08 pm

Gordon wrote:Mario is awful at basketball. Now that shots are not falling for him, it is becoming clear how bad he is at everything else. Some centers have better ballhandling than him. He is walking turnover machine.

I would look to trade him while he retains some value and reputation around the league.

20 year old with the best shooting stroke on our team is having a shooting drought in his second season and now he's terrible at basketball? Can't improve in other areas, doesn't matter he's 6'8 and athletic and elite (when in form) at the most coveted skill in basketball.

Really....

Jameerthefear · Post #169 » by **Jameerthefear** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:32 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:
Gordon wrote:Mario is awful at basketball. Now that shots are not falling for him, it is becoming clear how bad he is at everything else. Some centers have better ballhandling than him. He is walking turnover machine.

I would look to trade him while he retains some value and reputation around the league.

20 year old with the best shooting stroke on our team is having a shooting drought in his second season and now he's terrible at basketball? Can't improve in other areas, doesn't matter he's 6'8 and athletic and elite (when in form) at the most coveted skill in basketball.

Really....

What? How is he an elite shooter? At what point has he shown that?

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bigpimpatl · Post #170 » by **bigpimpatl** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 2:59 pm

Jameerthefear wrote:
axl_c_cool wrote:
Gordon wrote:Mario is awful at basketball. Now that shots are not falling for him, it is becoming clear how bad he is at everything else. Some centers have better ballhandling than him. He is walking turnover machine.

I would look to trade him while he retains some value and reputation around the league.

20 year old with the best shooting stroke on our team is having a shooting drought in his second season and now he's terrible at basketball? Can't improve in other areas, doesn't matter he's 6'8 and athletic and elite (when in form) at the most coveted skill in basketball.

Really....

What? How is he an elite shooter? At what point has he shown that?

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In everyone's imagination and fantasy of course!

I think the best part is the shooting drought, as if he ever went on a hot shooting streak at any point in a Magic uniform.

axl_c_cool · Post #171 » by **axl_c_cool** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:32 pm

He has an elite stroke and is a natural shooter, no doubt about it. and yeah he is in a shooting drought as his numbers are down from last year and is clearly playing low on confidence. He has the ability to hit shots most of our other players can't, and he's shown that

bigpimpatl · Post #172 » by **bigpimpatl** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:26 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:He has an elite stroke and is a natural shooter, no doubt about it. and yeah he is in a shooting drought as his numbers are down from last year and is clearly playing low on confidence. He has the ability to hit shots most of our other players can't, and he's shown that

There is doubt. Because Hezonja hasn't put together a complete game yet. Low on confidence? He's a pro if he can't pump himself up maybe he can't handle the NBA.

Gordon · Post #173 » by **Gordon** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:50 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:
Gordon wrote:Mario is awful at basketball. Now that shots are not falling for him, it is becoming clear how bad he is at everything else. Some centers have better ballhandling than him. He is walking turnover machine.

I would look to trade him while he retains some value and reputation around the league.

20 year old with the best shooting stroke on our team is having a shooting drought in his second season and now he's terrible at basketball? Can't improve in other areas, doesn't matter he's 6'8 and athletic and elite (when in form) at the most coveted skill in basketball.

Really....

What improvement has he shown between his rookie season and now. He is playing worse than he did under Skiles. And he is elite at shooting exactly how? Not even counting this recent drought, he was barely above average last season on jump-shots.

Post #174 » by **SD2042** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:48 pm

Skin wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Skin wrote:Vucevic is Fool's Gold. We need Biyombo back. I can't stand how soft we are.

Vuc really is a summinabitch. We could've had Turner if we didn't have goo goo eyes for Vuc. I'm still jealous at his line last night.

30 points, 16 rebounds, 4 blocks and 2 steals. 69% FG% and 1/2 from 3pt land. Turner was an easy pick. We screwed the pooch for another soft Euro.

Mario Hezonja where art thou? Messi came to watch you.

They were never going to draft Turner. His health red flags (that can still turn out to be true ) ,his position (PF ) that happend to be same that Gordon supposed to be and their blind love of Vučević were easy indicators that he is not option.

Mario somwhere in his head figured out that less he shoots more he plays , and that's kind a leftover from Skiles. Sad leftover. Last night he was productive ( 13 min 3 reboudns 2 assists, especially compared to Ibaka and Evan ), but his shooting is still off. remember Mario from preseason last year ? He was scoring 14-15 points in preseason playing free. Than Skiles decided to put leash. And he is not same guy since than.

I really hate how the NBA draft pundits over analyze things and fall in love with trick ponies.... BECAUSE their opinions always spill over into mainstream and then everybody believes them. Ain't nobody ever heard of a player's draft stock falling because of the way they run. For me, Myles Turner was up there with Karl Towns before the college season began. These were real discussions here. Then Turner had a mediocre college season and folks started to pick him apart too much. Nobody should be shocked that Turner is doing so good. His size, athleticism and touch told us he had a lot going for him.

Hezonja's draft stock came in on a red rocket out of nowhere. When that happens, it's ALWAYS questionable.

I trusted Henny based off his short history of eyeing out talent like Tobe, Victor, Elf, Gordon, etc but he looks more like the muffs Henny made like Harkless and Nicholson.

Thank You!

Magic_Kingdom · Post #175 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:55 am

Justise Winslow against Kawhi and the Spurs tonight:

18 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block

Stats aside, I just like the way that dude plays. Plays nasty. I wanted us to take him at #5. Hennigan prefers drafting fabric softener.

rcklsscognition · Post #176 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:18 am

Magic_Kingdom wrote:Justise Winslow against Kawhi and the Spurs tonight:

18 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block

Stats aside, I just like the way that dude plays. Plays nasty. I wanted us to take him at #5. Hennigan prefers drafting fabric softener.

Have you ever washed your clothes without fabric softener?

Post #177 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:41 am

The most disappointing part of Hezonja is that the billed "elite" shooting has been nowhere near good, let alone elite.

Dennis Reynolds · Post #178 » by **Dennis Reynolds** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:02 am

Magic_Kingdom wrote:Justise Winslow against Kawhi and the Spurs tonight:

18 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block

Stats aside, I just like the way that dude plays. Plays nasty. I wanted us to take him at #5. Hennigan prefers drafting fabric softener.

Do you know how Winslow started that game? He went 0-4 or 0-5 and still ended up having a very good game.

The same thing goes for pretty much every other lottery pick. They are allowed to play through their slumps and the improvement is obvious.

That's why I was so upset about the lack of chances AG and Mario got last year. We wasted a whole year of their development and we didn't even come close to making the playoffs. Still makes me so damn mad.

Anyway, If Mario starts the game like Winslow did he gets benched and everybody starts saying he's awful.

I also have no idea why so many guys here make so much fuss about a single game or 2. If you want to compare 2 sophomores, take a look at their numbers from last season. A few games don't mean chit.

Booker is a good example of that. He was being hyped here based on a phucking preseason game and he's been pretty bad so far. That doesn't make him any worse than he really is. He will also get hot sooner or later and we will have guys like you hyping him up like crazy.

The biggest difference between him and Mario is that he actually gets chances. I have no idea how some guys here don't understand that.

fendilim · Post #179 » by **fendilim** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:44 am

Still would prefer Mario to have a bigger role on offense than freakin Jeff Green. Thats just ridiculous.

shadrock · Post #180 » by **shadrock** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:16 am

Magic_Kingdom wrote:Justise Winslow against Kawhi and the Spurs tonight:

18 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block

Stats aside, I just like the way that dude plays. Plays nasty. I wanted us to take him at #5. Hennigan prefers drafting fabric softener.

Is 18 and 5 supposed to be impressive?