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pepe1991 wrote:

zaymon wrote:Its so funny that we gave very little for him and he has a ceiling of true superstar. If Weltman fakes his excitement for Fultz he is a damn good actor.

We did gave up cap space. For player that has no timetable of return after being out for 8 months. Nurkić broke tibia and fibula in his foot and most optimistic timetable of his return early next season. Let's repeat this: Guy with 2 broken bones in his leg will, if that goes through, recover faster than guy who didn't need surgery.

Audi wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:

zaymon wrote:Its so funny that we gave very little for him and he has a ceiling of true superstar. If Weltman fakes his excitement for Fultz he is a damn good actor.

We did gave up cap space. For player that has no timetable of return after being out for 8 months. Nurkić broke tibia and fibula in his foot and most optimistic timetable of his return early next season. Let's repeat this: Guy with 2 broken bones in his leg will, if that goes through, recover faster than guy who didn't need surgery.

Two completely different injuries, but okay.

PrimeThyme wrote:

thelead wrote:

PrimeThyme wrote:I'm just praying that he's in uniform game 1 this season. If he's still not ready to play by then, I will have lost nearly all the hope I currently have for him succeding with this team.

In 9 months, you’ll give up on him?

I would say that I would be a bit worried by January. He would have had, by then, over a year of rehab time.

I don't remember saying in that post that Id give up on him. The hope I currently have for him is that he will be ready by training camp and will be a big contributor to this team at some point next season.

If he misses all of next season or even 1/4th of the season he will have played 33 career games and will be due 12 million dollars the following year. We flat out need to see him for more than 15-20 games next year before we give picking up his option serious thought. Ideally, he plays the whole season or 3/4ths of it and it makes our decision alot easier, thats what im hoping for. If he doesn't, I worry about his future with this team.

pepe1991 wrote:

Audi wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:
We did gave up cap space. For player that has no timetable of return after being out for 8 months. Nurkić broke tibia and fibula in his foot and most optimistic timetable of his return early next season. Let's repeat this: Guy with 2 broken bones in his leg will, if that goes through, recover faster than guy who didn't need surgery.

Two completely different injuries, but okay.

I would rather have nerve compression that requires physical therapy than finding myself on the floor with leg over my head, broken in part.

pepe1991 wrote:

PrimeThyme wrote:

thelead wrote:In 9 months, you’ll give up on him?

I would say that I would be a bit worried by January. He would have had, by then, over a year of rehab time.

I don't remember saying in that post that Id give up on him. The hope I currently have for him is that he will be ready by training camp and will be a big contributor to this team at some point next season.

If he misses all of next season or even 1/4th of the season he will have played 33 career games and will be due 12 million dollars the following year. We flat out need to see him for more than 15-20 games next year before we give picking up his option serious thought. Ideally, he plays the whole season or 3/4ths of it and it makes our decision alot easier, thats what im hoping for. If he doesn't, I worry about his future with this team.

That's not how things go.
Magic have to pick his 4th year option untill October 30 of 2019, 4th year option is $12,25M. Before season even starts, for next season.


Remember, that's how Hezonja played with Magic third season, despite Magic declining 4th year.
Teams pick up options one year in advance with rookies. That's different than picking team's option or player's option during contracct years. Philadelphia already picked up his 3rd year option last year, that's why Magic didn't have to.

That's why i said declining his 4th year option won't be out of question.

PrimeThyme wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:

PrimeThyme wrote:I don't remember saying in that post that Id give up on him. The hope I currently have for him is that he will be ready by training camp and will be a big contributor to this team at some point next season.

If he misses all of next season or even 1/4th of the season he will have played 33 career games and will be due 12 million dollars the following year. We flat out need to see him for more than 15-20 games next year before we give picking up his option serious thought. Ideally, he plays the whole season or 3/4ths of it and it makes our decision alot easier, thats what im hoping for. If he doesn't, I worry about his future with this team.

That's not how things go.
Magic have to pick his 4th year option untill October 30 of 2019, 4th year option is $12,25M. Before season even starts, for next season.


Remember, that's how Hezonja played with Magic third season, despite Magic declining 4th year.
Teams pick up options one year in advance with rookies. That's different than picking team's option or player's option during contracct years. Philadelphia already picked up his 3rd year option last year, that's why Magic didn't have to.

That's why i said declining his 4th year option won't be out of question.

Thanks for the correction. Thats just another reason why it would be really encouraging to see him participate in training camp/preseason and know that he will be playing and not just eating up salary on a team that is probably going to be looking to make a playoff push sooner rather than later.

I did not want to see him play a game last year in anticipation of him having a full extended offseason to get healthy and hopefully come in ready to contribute come next season. I won't be giving up on him come October if he still isnt ready but I will most certainly become quite a bit more nervous/pessimistic about the whole situation.

swarlesbarkley wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:

Audi wrote:
Two completely different injuries, but okay.

I would rather have nerve compression that requires physical therapy than finding myself on the floor with leg over my head, broken in part.

LOL. Pepe the doctor.

pepe1991 wrote:

swarlesbarkley wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:
I would rather have nerve compression that requires physical therapy than finding myself on the floor with leg over my head, broken in part.

LOL. Pepe the doctor.

I still refuse to re-watch that fall again. I think over last 8+ years i only saw Livingstone injury once. I don't have stomach for it.

pepe1991 wrote:

NotACat wrote:

pepe1991 wrote:

Package him for top 50 protected pick, at least will save you money.
Regardless, declining his 4th year is complete no brainer. Nobody with any sense of brain will offer him $12M a year. That's salary range of JJ Redick, Walker, Vučević, Patty MIlls, Nurkić, Bogdanovic, Joe Ingles.... (current contracts)

I think we have to pick up the 4th year option to ensure he's our RFA next summer.

it's like Hezonja's situation.
If it's declined Magic can't offer more or less than $12,25M .

Others can offer more years or more money ( or less ) . But i highly doubt anybody will offer more than $12,25M . At least on one year deal.


If in some scenario Magic move him this year for future picks and not guaranteed salary, and they streach Mozgov, out of nowhere , they would free up a LOT of cap space ( for example traded for not fully guaranteed JR Smith's contract and streaching Mozgov would lower Magic base salary from projected $88M to 70M , that includes $16 pick in it, Out of nowhere Magic would operate with $38M of space). I don't think that it will happen , but it's another possible option.

I just find it fishy that they are targeting guards so much in this rumors , it just yells that Fultz is not part of long term plans and progress is slow ( or there is no progress ). 8 months since he left the league nobody filmed him even shooting once in empty gym. It's massive red flag.

CZ Eddie wrote:Having had various broken bones in my life and suffering nerve damage in my left hand several years ago... I will take broken bones 100 out of 100 times over nerve damage.
Sure, the pain is gone from both injuries.
But that nerve damage is there forever and I can't get that full feeling or usage back.
The busted bones hurt longer but are all back to normal now.

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Looks high as hell lol definitely not someone whose trying to play in Summer League in 3 weeks. #Bust #ByeFelicia

https://imgur.com/2EYVFtO

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Looks high as hell lol definitely not someone whose trying to play in Summer League in 3 weeks. #Bust #ByeFelicia

https://imgur.com/2EYVFtO