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Rainwater wrote:[instagram][/instagram]spinedoc wrote:Just heard Bruce Pearl on nbatv say Chuma was a reach for the Magic, oh my.
Really?
pepe1991 wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Well on surface his advanced stats are nice,
but if you go deeper, that's second year player as third option at college team.
We stil talk about picky spot up shooter who scores only 12 ppg .
Above all , despite medicine improved to the point where ACL isn't career killer, we still talk about 1 year recovery that will take place.
Jeff Weltman saying Magic are "lucky to get him" is insult of inteligence of a fanbase. But given that's' same guy who after 7 months still gets away from Fultz questions using 2 words " improvment, progress" i'm not really that shocked. That guy would get himself fired with any bigger market within 2 weeks as media would grill him like a sosage on summer BBQ
If this was Henny making this pick the mindset of 90% of the board would be WTF. However since our FO landed Giannis a unicorn once in a lifetime player it’s applauded.
Where will they get star? Trades ? How does collecting players that are years away from being ready to contribute gonna maximise your asset menagment?
MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
If this was Henny making this pick the mindset of 90% of the board would be WTF. However since our FO landed Giannis a unicorn once in a lifetime player it’s applauded.
Where will they get star? Trades ? How does collecting players that are years away from being ready to contribute gonna maximise your asset menagment?
This is what we argue about the most... they neither put themselves in a position to acquire better assets and keep selecting projects/ injured players because they want to appear like savants when it comes to making decisions. Other than Isaac nothing has really panned out.
MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
If this was Henny making this pick the mindset of 90% of the board would be WTF. However since our FO landed Giannis a unicorn once in a lifetime player it’s applauded.
Where will they get star? Trades ? How does collecting players that are years away from being ready to contribute gonna maximise your asset menagment?
This is what we argue about the most... they neither put themselves in a position to acquire better assets and keep selecting projects/ injured players because they want to appear like savants when it comes to making decisions. Other than Isaac nothing has really panned out.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Where will they get star? Trades ? How does collecting players that are years away from being ready to contribute gonna maximise your asset menagment?
This is what we argue about the most... they neither put themselves in a position to acquire better assets and keep selecting projects/ injured players because they want to appear like savants when it comes to making decisions. Other than Isaac nothing has really panned out.
2017 draft flattened out and they should've retooled the roster so the team flattened out and rebuilt, instead they sat & evaluated an extremely flawed roster and then doubled down with minimal improvements the next year!
swarlesbarkley wrote:MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Where will they get star? Trades ? How does collecting players that are years away from being ready to contribute gonna maximise your asset menagment?
This is what we argue about the most... they neither put themselves in a position to acquire better assets and keep selecting projects/ injured players because they want to appear like savants when it comes to making decisions. Other than Isaac nothing has really panned out.
I think our star eggs are currently all in the Fultz basket. If Fultz pans out, everything else falls into place and we have a squad. If he doesn't, we're stuck with mediocrity until we find a star.
MagicMatic wrote:swarlesbarkley wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
This is what we argue about the most... they neither put themselves in a position to acquire better assets and keep selecting projects/ injured players because they want to appear like savants when it comes to making decisions. Other than Isaac nothing has really panned out.
I think our star eggs are currently all in the Fultz basket. If Fultz pans out, everything else falls into place and we have a squad. If he doesn't, we're stuck with mediocrity until we find a star.
If that’s really the case then they have done nothing to find a star other than wait for Philly's turmoil to spill over and make a low risk trade at the right moment. Okeke could be a solid player at 16, but he’s going to be perpetually playing behind the guy they just handed a huge contract to and the other guy they drafted two years ago (both their decisions).
MagicMatic wrote:swarlesbarkley wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
This is what we argue about the most... they neither put themselves in a position to acquire better assets and keep selecting projects/ injured players because they want to appear like savants when it comes to making decisions. Other than Isaac nothing has really panned out.
I think our star eggs are currently all in the Fultz basket. If Fultz pans out, everything else falls into place and we have a squad. If he doesn't, we're stuck with mediocrity until we find a star.
If that’s really the case then they have done nothing to find a star other than wait for Philly's turmoil to spill over and make a low risk trade at the right moment. Okeke could be a solid player at 16, but he’s going to be perpetually playing behind the guy they just handed a huge contract to and the other guy they drafted two years ago (both their decisions).
orlando_joe wrote:MagicMatic wrote:swarlesbarkley wrote:
I think our star eggs are currently all in the Fultz basket. If Fultz pans out, everything else falls into place and we have a squad. If he doesn't, we're stuck with mediocrity until we find a star.
If that’s really the case then they have done nothing to find a star other than wait for Philly's turmoil to spill over and make a low risk trade at the right moment. Okeke could be a solid player at 16, but he’s going to be perpetually playing behind the guy they just handed a huge contract to and the other guy they drafted two years ago (both their decisions).
sure but he can still get 25-30 min as backup to Isaac and Gordon at 16th pick..if he blows up that's not a bad thing..he will get min if he shows out
swarlesbarkley wrote:MagicMatic wrote:swarlesbarkley wrote:
I think our star eggs are currently all in the Fultz basket. If Fultz pans out, everything else falls into place and we have a squad. If he doesn't, we're stuck with mediocrity until we find a star.
If that’s really the case then they have done nothing to find a star other than wait for Philly's turmoil to spill over and make a low risk trade at the right moment. Okeke could be a solid player at 16, but he’s going to be perpetually playing behind the guy they just handed a huge contract to and the other guy they drafted two years ago (both their decisions).
Right, but you can't be upset with them for making a low-risk play at Fultz. If they don't get Fultz last year it probably changes our draft this year.
MagicMatic wrote:orlando_joe wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
If that’s really the case then they have done nothing to find a star other than wait for Philly's turmoil to spill over and make a low risk trade at the right moment. Okeke could be a solid player at 16, but he’s going to be perpetually playing behind the guy they just handed a huge contract to and the other guy they drafted two years ago (both their decisions).
sure but he can still get 25-30 min as backup to Isaac and Gordon at 16th pick..if he blows up that's not a bad thing..he will get min if he shows out
Not necessarily a knock on Okeke. I like the pick in a vacuum for what he can provide. NAW and others would have had more opportunity and could have possibly provided more.
Bakomagic wrote:MagicMatic wrote:orlando_joe wrote:sure but he can still get 25-30 min as backup to Isaac and Gordon at 16th pick..if he blows up that's not a bad thing..he will get min if he shows out
Not necessarily a knock on Okeke. I like the pick in a vacuum for what he can provide. NAW and others would have had more opportunity and could have possibly provided more.
Isn't Okeke a bigger version of NAW though , like small forward/ small ball power forward Version
NBA Draftnet Bio
"Strengths: He’s a high level jump shooter ... He shot over 38% from beyond the arc this past season ... He’s a capable scorer off the dribble ... He is great at moving without the basketball, he gives the offense a different dimension with his off ball movement ... He’s a solid playmaker, capable of finding his opening open teammates ... He improved his rebounding by 1 per game this past season ... He’s very active on the boards ... Knows his limits and stays within himself ... Displays his IQ on his shot selection ... He shot almost 50% from the field this season ... He’s a good defender, and good instincts on the defensive end of the floor.... He averaged over 1 block and almost 2 steals per game ... He’s a good athlete with a long wingspan, capable of scoring in transition and defending multiple positions ... He’s a solid scorer from the low post, able to take advantage of mismatches down low ... 7' foot wingpsan helps him overcome some of his height dificiencies as a post player ... Lack of a true position could end up working out well for him in today's positionless game ... He may work ideally in the role of a small ball 4 with his mobility and ability to face up and spread the floor ..."
Bakomagic wrote:MagicMatic wrote:orlando_joe wrote:sure but he can still get 25-30 min as backup to Isaac and Gordon at 16th pick..if he blows up that's not a bad thing..he will get min if he shows out
Not necessarily a knock on Okeke. I like the pick in a vacuum for what he can provide. NAW and others would have had more opportunity and could have possibly provided more.
Isn't Okeke a bigger version of NAW though , like small forward/ small ball power forward Version
NBA Draftnet Bio
"Strengths: He’s a high level jump shooter ... He shot over 38% from beyond the arc this past season ... He’s a capable scorer off the dribble ... He is great at moving without the basketball, he gives the offense a different dimension with his off ball movement ... He’s a solid playmaker, capable of finding his opening open teammates ... He improved his rebounding by 1 per game this past season ... He’s very active on the boards ... Knows his limits and stays within himself ... Displays his IQ on his shot selection ... He shot almost 50% from the field this season ... He’s a good defender, and good instincts on the defensive end of the floor.... He averaged over 1 block and almost 2 steals per game ... He’s a good athlete with a long wingspan, capable of scoring in transition and defending multiple positions ... He’s a solid scorer from the low post, able to take advantage of mismatches down low ... 7' foot wingpsan helps him overcome some of his height dificiencies as a post player ... Lack of a true position could end up working out well for him in today's positionless game ... He may work ideally in the role of a small ball 4 with his mobility and ability to face up and spread the floor ..."
tiderulz wrote:Bakomagic wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Not necessarily a knock on Okeke. I like the pick in a vacuum for what he can provide. NAW and others would have had more opportunity and could have possibly provided more.
Isn't Okeke a bigger version of NAW though , like small forward/ small ball power forward Version
NBA Draftnet Bio
"Strengths: He’s a high level jump shooter ... He shot over 38% from beyond the arc this past season ... He’s a capable scorer off the dribble ... He is great at moving without the basketball, he gives the offense a different dimension with his off ball movement ... He’s a solid playmaker, capable of finding his opening open teammates ... He improved his rebounding by 1 per game this past season ... He’s very active on the boards ... Knows his limits and stays within himself ... Displays his IQ on his shot selection ... He shot almost 50% from the field this season ... He’s a good defender, and good instincts on the defensive end of the floor.... He averaged over 1 block and almost 2 steals per game ... He’s a good athlete with a long wingspan, capable of scoring in transition and defending multiple positions ... He’s a solid scorer from the low post, able to take advantage of mismatches down low ... 7' foot wingpsan helps him overcome some of his height dificiencies as a post player ... Lack of a true position could end up working out well for him in today's positionless game ... He may work ideally in the role of a small ball 4 with his mobility and ability to face up and spread the floor ..."
no, doesnt have the ball handling or passing. NAW put up 4 apg.
MagicMatic wrote:Bakomagic wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
Not necessarily a knock on Okeke. I like the pick in a vacuum for what he can provide. NAW and others would have had more opportunity and could have possibly provided more.
Isn't Okeke a bigger version of NAW though , like small forward/ small ball power forward Version
NBA Draftnet Bio
"Strengths: He’s a high level jump shooter ... He shot over 38% from beyond the arc this past season ... He’s a capable scorer off the dribble ... He is great at moving without the basketball, he gives the offense a different dimension with his off ball movement ... He’s a solid playmaker, capable of finding his opening open teammates ... He improved his rebounding by 1 per game this past season ... He’s very active on the boards ... Knows his limits and stays within himself ... Displays his IQ on his shot selection ... He shot almost 50% from the field this season ... He’s a good defender, and good instincts on the defensive end of the floor.... He averaged over 1 block and almost 2 steals per game ... He’s a good athlete with a long wingspan, capable of scoring in transition and defending multiple positions ... He’s a solid scorer from the low post, able to take advantage of mismatches down low ... 7' foot wingpsan helps him overcome some of his height dificiencies as a post player ... Lack of a true position could end up working out well for him in today's positionless game ... He may work ideally in the role of a small ball 4 with his mobility and ability to face up and spread the floor ..."
Yes, thank you for cut and pasting Okekes draft bio.
The back court hasn’t been addressed. Not upset by the pick, but a back court of DJ/Fournier is probably the worst in the league and NAW would have had the opportunity more than a backup F.
MagicMatic wrote:J the Drafter wrote:Is there any reason Okeke wouldn’t play alongside Isaac and Gordon? Is it just a given that none of those players should be guarding bigs? Or does everyone expect us not to have room in the lineup due to Fournier?
Okeke won’t be playing sg. He’s a F, so he plays the same positionally as Isaac and AG.
And why won’t Okeke be playing power forward while AG and JI man the wings, besides Fournier be too good to Bench? Bakomagic wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Bakomagic wrote:
Isn't Okeke a bigger version of NAW though , like small forward/ small ball power forward Version
NBA Draftnet Bio
"Strengths: He’s a high level jump shooter ... He shot over 38% from beyond the arc this past season ... He’s a capable scorer off the dribble ... He is great at moving without the basketball, he gives the offense a different dimension with his off ball movement ... He’s a solid playmaker, capable of finding his opening open teammates ... He improved his rebounding by 1 per game this past season ... He’s very active on the boards ... Knows his limits and stays within himself ... Displays his IQ on his shot selection ... He shot almost 50% from the field this season ... He’s a good defender, and good instincts on the defensive end of the floor.... He averaged over 1 block and almost 2 steals per game ... He’s a good athlete with a long wingspan, capable of scoring in transition and defending multiple positions ... He’s a solid scorer from the low post, able to take advantage of mismatches down low ... 7' foot wingpsan helps him overcome some of his height dificiencies as a post player ... Lack of a true position could end up working out well for him in today's positionless game ... He may work ideally in the role of a small ball 4 with his mobility and ability to face up and spread the floor ..."
Yes, thank you for cut and pasting Okekes draft bio.
The back court hasn’t been addressed. Not upset by the pick, but a back court of DJ/Fournier is probably the worst in the league and NAW would have had the opportunity more than a backup F.
Sarcasm ? I just pasted the Bio because it reads similar to what NAW brings to the table. either way are we sure NAW isnt just going to back up Ross and Fournier ?
I've had my fair share of negative Fournier posts here in the last year, but most of it is tied to performance related to salary. If we are talking strictly ability, i'm not sure NAW is ever better than Ross and Fournier and hes definitely not going to be better in his first couple of years.
If you are thinking of him handling ball handling/playmaking duties as the back up point. I also disagree that he is better than DJ next year and he wont be better than a healthy Fultz. I know a healthy Fultz is not easy to see right now but the only way to see if he can reach his potential is to give him minutes, which will obviously conflict with NAW getting playing time.
On the other side Okeke is more likely to be better (thus earning more minutes and a bigger role) than Jerell Martin and Iwundu now (when healthy) and in the future imo.
J the Drafter wrote:MagicMatic wrote:J the Drafter wrote:Is there any reason Okeke wouldn’t play alongside Isaac and Gordon? Is it just a given that none of those players should be guarding bigs? Or does everyone expect us not to have room in the lineup due to Fournier?
Okeke won’t be playing sg. He’s a F, so he plays the same positionally as Isaac and AG.