Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2

[Xatticus]

Nightmare scenario: Bulls jump Orlando in the draft lotto. Orlando picks 5th with Mobley still left on the board.

Getting Mobley, arguably the #1/2 prospect this draft, at #5 is hardly a nightmare.

To me it is.

Sorry, but maybe I’m alone in not wanting Orlando to spend their next top 5 lottery pick on another big-centered offense for the foreseeable future. No thanks.

Saw it with Shaq, Dwight, and Vucevic. Also saw the AD experiment in New Orleans if Mobley turns out to be his comp in a best case scenario. Pass.

It would be nice to play with successful modern offense for once in this franchises history.

I really don't think you are committing to building around him at the offensive end if he is the best player on the board at that point. Mobley projects as an elite defender and a versatile offensive player. His BPM is ridiculous for a freshman. He should be able to share the floor with another big. He should be able to score from anywhere and he is a capable ball mover. He's a really nice player.

We have been starved for backcourt talent for so long that I would prefer the three wings/guards, but if Mobley is BPA, I'd just take him and sort it out later. If someone wants to offer you an attractive package, then I'd consider moving the pick, but I wouldn't pass on or condemn Mobley simply because our front office has done nothing to address our lack of playmaking over the last three years. A lot of teams would love to have Mobley and we should love to have him for the same reasons, despite our other inadequacies.

[Bensational]

Yeah, everyone should be still on the board for us right now.

Everything will take shape once we know what pick/s we have and their positions on the board.

I would still consider all of Bamba/WCJ/Cole/Hampton/Fultz available for trade if they can help us move up or swap for better positional fit around whoever we draft.

So if we miss on one of Cade/Suggs/Green and it’s Mobley/Kuminga to choose from or a trade down, whilst still having the Bull’s pick then a Mobley + Keon/Ziaire/Springer/Giddey combo could still be a nice foundation.

[thelead]

Who do you guys want? Chade, Suggs or Green?

Not 100% sure just yet but one of those for sure.

I need to find a deep statistical breakdown for all three.

For example, I like Green but Xatticus mentioned something about his FT rate being low. That scares me a bit.

Is stats the only thing you look for?

I mention this because WHAT IF :

1.) Green is really just 6'4 with an average wingspan ( I mean no one legit measured him that's why we have news from him being 6'4 to 6'6 and I don't know who to believe.

2.) Suggs medical has or might develop B.Roy's knees. All that is said. Might shorten playing career.

3.) Cade has the least athleticism. Like his tests come out and he is athletic as Adam Morrison.

You know things like that won't be shown by stats.

There are other things that I would consider as well but I've seen enough from those 3 to know those would be in my top 3. I really like Mobley but don't like the fit and while I always say BPA, bigs just aren't as important. I really like Kuminga as well but his basic splits are very concerning for a player that we would hope becomes a scorer (39/25/63 compared to Green's 46/37/83 on the same team in the G League).

[VFX]

Getting Mobley, arguably the #1/2 prospect this draft, at #5 is hardly a nightmare.

To me it is.

Sorry, but maybe I’m alone in not wanting Orlando to spend their next top 5 lottery pick on another big-centered offense for the foreseeable future. No thanks.

Saw it with Shaq, Dwight, and Vucevic. Also saw the AD experiment in New Orleans if Mobley turns out to be his comp in a best case scenario. Pass.

It would be nice to play with successful modern offense for once in this franchises history.

I really don't think you are committing to building around him at the offensive end if he is the best player on the board at that point. Mobley projects as an elite defender and a versatile offensive player. His BPM is ridiculous for a freshman. He should be able to share the floor with another big. He should be able to score from anywhere and he is a capable ball mover. He's a really nice player.

We have been starved for backcourt talent for so long that I would prefer the three wings/guards, but if Mobley is BPA, I'd just take him and sort it out later. If someone wants to offer you an attractive package, then I'd consider moving the pick, but I wouldn't pass on or condemn Mobley simply because our front office has done nothing to address our lack of playmaking over the last three years. A lot of teams would love to have Mobley and we should love to have him for the same reasons, despite our other inadequacies.

Yeah, I get it.

I simply don’t believe Orlando gets another shot at a top 3-5 pick anytime soon with how bad some of these other teams are on paper compared to a fully healthy Magic roster.

They would have to commit to him if he’s drafted in the top 5 after this season. Don’t really care what he did in college because bigs often don’t replicate anything close to their numbers when they reach the nba. If he ever does, it’ll be after 4-5 seasons.

I’m not even doubting Mobley could be a good player. I just can’t stomach watching another iteration of Magic basketball where a front office tries to build around a big that operates as the focal point on offense.

Tbh I’d probably trade back if he’s on the board and Orlando is drafting at 4 or 5. Either that, or just take Kuminga and hope he’s not a Gerald Wallace knockoff.

[thelead]

To me it is.

Sorry, but maybe I’m alone in not wanting Orlando to spend their next top 5 lottery pick on another big-centered offense for the foreseeable future. No thanks.

Saw it with Shaq, Dwight, and Vucevic. Also saw the AD experiment in New Orleans if Mobley turns out to be his comp in a best case scenario. Pass.

It would be nice to play with successful modern offense for once in this franchises history.

I really don't think you are committing to building around him at the offensive end if he is the best player on the board at that point. Mobley projects as an elite defender and a versatile offensive player. His BPM is ridiculous for a freshman. He should be able to share the floor with another big. He should be able to score from anywhere and he is a capable ball mover. He's a really nice player.

We have been starved for backcourt talent for so long that I would prefer the three wings/guards, but if Mobley is BPA, I'd just take him and sort it out later. If someone wants to offer you an attractive package, then I'd consider moving the pick, but I wouldn't pass on or condemn Mobley simply because our front office has done nothing to address our lack of playmaking over the last three years. A lot of teams would love to have Mobley and we should love to have him for the same reasons, despite our other inadequacies.

Yeah, I get it.

I simply don’t believe Orlando gets another shot at a top 3-5 pick anytime soon with how bad some of these other teams are on paper compared to a fully healthy Magic roster.

They would have to commit to him if he’s drafted in the top 5 after this season. Don’t really care what he did in college because bigs often don’t replicate anything close to their numbers when they reach the nba. If he ever does, it’ll be after 4-5 seasons.

I’m not even doubting Mobley could be a good player. I just can’t stomach watching another iteration of Magic basketball where a front office tries to build around a big that operates as the focal point on offense.

Tbh I’d probably trade back if he’s on the board and Orlando is drafting at 4 or 5. Either that, or just take Kuminga and hope he’s not a Gerald Wallace knockoff.

I would not be thrilled with Mobley but you still have to take him in this draft if he's available at 5. Trading down when we'll already likely have the Bulls lotto pick would make very little sense IMO.

[Skin]

Tier 1. Jalen Green

Tier 2. Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs

Tier 3. Jonathan Kuminga, Evan Mobley

Tier 4. Keon Johnson

We NEED a Top 3 pick.

[KillMonger]

Man if was weltham i would be seriously thinking about shutting down some of these players or reducing their minutes.....10 games left nothing to play for....i'm looking at WCJ limping and gimping on the court it's obvious that he's not %100.... now the injury with Chuma....we all saw what happened to cannady....The smart move would be to either shut down and/or reduce WCJ/Chuma/Cole minutes....last thing you want is one of our key young players getting injured in a game where there's nothing to play for

[Ducklett]

I think on lotto night we point to this win when we pick 7th and the Bulls pick 1st.

[DiplomaticMagic]

I am high on Mobley but my board is

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Bust

Im not as high on Suggs as others. I actually like Fultz more than him. Im not against moving on Fultz as pg of the future but it would have to be a much better prospect. I didnt watch a ton of college bball, but when I watch Suggs, I just dont see franchise pg. Think hes more Malcom Brogdon than Jason Kidd. Now I dont see why Fultz and Suggs cant play together but its just not the direction I would want to go in.

I really like Mobley and think hes perfect big for todays nba. I just dont like him for this team. I know we should never draft for need when we are lacking a lot of talent. But just really want a perniter scorer and think cade and green can be just as good as mobley.

Cade is clear #1 for me because of his playmaking and defense. While Greens play is a lot more sexy, I just dont know if he will ever become a great defender or dynamic playmaker. But the separation Green gets with his dribble moves is insane. I swear I see some of his moves, and I think Kobe, Harden, etc. I really wish Green was taller. But we haven't had a player like that since T-Mac.

[drsd]

Tier 1. Jalen Green

Tier 2. Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs

Tier 3. Jonathan Kuminga, Evan Mobley

Tier 4. Keon Johnson

We NEED a Top 3 pick.

Many will not share our draft board, but I also am hoping for Green.

My dream would be for Orlando to slot 1 or 2 and trade down to 3 or 4 to draft Green. That gains likely very high assets in addition to gaining the desired player.


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[zaymon]

Tier 1. Jalen Green

Tier 2. Cade Cunningham, Jalen Suggs

Tier 3. Jonathan Kuminga, Evan Mobley

Tier 4. Keon Johnson

We NEED a Top 3 pick.

Many will not share our draft board, but I also am hoping for Green.

My dream would be for Orlando to slot 1 or 2 and trade down to 3 or 4 to draft Green. That gains likely very high assets in addition to gaining the desired player.


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Problem is you cant build your offense around player with limited playmaking. If everything goes right you will pay max for player who should be second or ideally third option.
Thats the problem Celtics have right now and i doubt Green will be as good as Tatum.

[pepe1991]

I would take Suggs over Green...
Every year there is some uber-athlete combo guard who peaks at Oladipo type value. Not terrible outcome, but nothing spectacular.

[basketballRob]

With AG, Aminu, and Clark out our biggest need might be PF. Mobley is a PF.

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[basketballRob]

Kuminga reclassified to come out 1 year early. You have to take that into consideration when you evaluate him.

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[tiderulz]

I am high on Mobley but my board is

1. Cade
2. Green
3. Bust

Im not as high on Suggs as others. I actually like Fultz more than him. Im not against moving on Fultz as pg of the future but it would have to be a much better prospect. I didnt watch a ton of college bball, but when I watch Suggs, I just dont see franchise pg. Think hes more Malcom Brogdon than Jason Kidd. Now I dont see why Fultz and Suggs cant play together but its just not the direction I would want to go in.

I really like Mobley and think hes perfect big for todays nba. I just dont like him for this team. I know we should never draft for need when we are lacking a lot of talent. But just really want a perniter scorer and think cade and green can be just as good as mobley.

Cade is clear #1 for me because of his playmaking and defense. While Greens play is a lot more sexy, I just dont know if he will ever become a great defender or dynamic playmaker. But the separation Green gets with his dribble moves is insane. I swear I see some of his moves, and I think Kobe, Harden, etc. I really wish Green was taller. But we haven't had a player like that since T-Mac.

Malcolm Brogdon is a big upgrade over Fultz. I respect your opinion, I just think Suggs will be very good. great athlete (had football scholarship offer to Ohio St, kid is a stud athlete), great passer, very good defender, can play above the rim. Just needs to improve his 3 ball just a little. I havent seen as much of Green, but everything points to him being very good too. As long as we can get a top-3 pick, i think we come away with a good player. I'm not high on Mobley, only because modern basketball is going away from big men.

[drsd]

I'm not high on Mobley, only because modern basketball is going away from big men.

I also do not like Mobley for this team, but I do not agree that the league is going away from bigmen. Looking at all the elite teams, many have ace PFs or ace Cs. And the Lakers has both.

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[tiderulz]

I'm not high on Mobley, only because modern basketball is going away from big men.

I also do not like Mobley for this team, but I do not agree that the league is going away from bigmen. Looking at all the elite teams, many have ace PFs or ace Cs. And the Lakers has both.

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just from what ive seen. a big man will get you to the playoffs, but winning is being done by wing players.

[VFX]

I'm not high on Mobley, only because modern basketball is going away from big men.

I also do not like Mobley for this team, but I do not agree that the league is going away from bigmen. Looking at all the elite teams, many have ace PFs or ace Cs. And the Lakers has both.

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Yeah, if Orlando theoretically selected Mobley he would be walking in day 1 as their best asset next to Isaac.

The question the becomes; how does Orlando land elite talent at wing positions? Currently they have Ennis, Bacon, and Porter as potentially walking should they not resign them.

I see no other alternative in which selecting Mobley doesn’t result in a potential Isaac-Mobley-WCJr lineup, where they are back to playing a plodding half court offense with a limited back court.

That’s even the best case scenario. If he becomes a straight up C, then Orlando has just replaced Vuc for a backup Center and another Center.

[drsd]

just from what ive seen. a big man will get you to the playoffs, but winning is being done by wing players.

Positions as stated by basketball reference

2019–20 Los Angeles Lakers, best players PG and PF (James and Davis)
2018–19 Toronto Raptors, best players SF and PF (Leonard and Siakam)
2017-18 Golden State Warriors, best players PG and SF (Curry and Durant)
2016-17 Golden State Warriors, best players PG and PF (Curry and Durant)
2015–16 Cleveland Cavaliers, best players PG, SF, and PF (Irving, James, and Love)
2014–15 Golden State Warriors, best players PG and SG (Curry and Thompson)
2013-14 San Antonio Spurs, best players SG, SF, and C (Ginóbili, Leonard, and Duncan)
2012–13 Miami Heat, best players SG, PF, and C (Wade, James, and Bosh)
2011–12 Miami Heat, best players SG, SF, and PF (Wade, James, and Bosh)
2010–11 Dallas Mavericks, SG and PF (Terry and Nowitzki)

We can argue what positions James and Durant played, and other features above, but in 9 of 10 Champions of the last ten year, a best-player included a Big. In that sense, the 2014–15 Golden State Warriors is the exception and not the rule.

I guess my point is that it is common for Championship teams to have two excellent player with one in the backcourt and one in the forecourt, and it doesn't hurt to have a third. For me this is why rosters like Portlands are failed in design, and why I really, really like Utah and Denver as constructed.

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[tiderulz]

I'm not high on Mobley, only because modern basketball is going away from big men.

I also do not like Mobley for this team, but I do not agree that the league is going away from bigmen. Looking at all the elite teams, many have ace PFs or ace Cs. And the Lakers has both.

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Yeah, if Orlando theoretically selected Mobley he would be walking in day 1 as their best asset next to Isaac.

The question the becomes; how does Orlando land elite talent at wing positions? Currently they have Ennis, Bacon, and Porter as potentially walking should they not resign them.

I see no other alternative in which selecting Mobley doesn’t result in a potential Isaac-Mobley-WCJr lineup, where they are back to playing a plodding half court offense with a limited back court.

and where do you play Isaac? Isaac isnt a better SF than Otto. both have health issue. Does Isaac stay healthier at PF? Does Mobley pay PF or move to center? then what do you do with WCF, who looks like he could at least be a starting level center.