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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#161 » by drsd » Mon May 17, 2021 1:39 pm

With the 9th pick in the draft, I like Corey Kispert. I cannot get excited about Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams (which ever of the three that slides to 9), and for me, Davion Mitchell is all hype. Kai Jones is too much of a stretch for my at 9.

Kispert is thus a default pick for me.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#162 » by Knightro » Mon May 17, 2021 1:43 pm

drsd wrote:With the 9th pick in the draft, I like Corey Kispert. I cannot get excited about Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams (which ever of the three that slides to 9), and for me, Davion Mitchell is all hype. Kai Jones is too much of a stretch for my at 9.

Kispert is thus a default pick for me.


Nothing better than picking a guy who turns 23 during his rookie year and looked physically overmatched in the NCAA Tournament.

Kispert would be a bad pick IMO. Guys who are great shooters, but do virtually nothing else well just aren't that valuable, but get paid way more than is deserved because everyone desperately wants shooting.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#163 » by uraverage » Mon May 17, 2021 1:44 pm

RookieStar wrote:I dunnno what the arguement regarding Mobley vs WCJ is and rrgarding their numbers. However just bear in nind that Mobley is/was practically the center of their offense. Meaning they look to him almost evry chance they get and force fed him the ball. WCJ, if you all remember, was the last in the totem pole in that stacked Duke team. He wasnt even the 1st big optiom, Bagley was. They practically wanted him to be their garbage man and rebound the misses of their Duval, GTJ amd Graysons wing production.

So whatever offensive production WCJ produced, it was to all purpose, accidental or an afterthought compared to Mobley.


This is a very true statement. Carter averaged around the same numbers as Mobley while playing 7 minutes less a game. I am not overly impressed with Mobley at the next level. Rather let WCJ and Bamba push each other next year and see who excels and who does not.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#164 » by drsd » Mon May 17, 2021 1:45 pm

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drsd wrote:With the 9th pick in the draft, I like Corey Kispert. I cannot get excited about Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams (which ever of the three that slides to 9), and for me, Davion Mitchell is all hype. Kai Jones is too much of a stretch for my at 9.

Kispert is thus a default pick for me.


Nothing better than picking a guy who turns 23 during his rookie year and looked physically overmatched in the NCAA Tournament.

Kispert would be a bad pick IMO. Guys who are great shooters, but do virtually nothing else well just aren't that valuable, but get paid way more because everyone desperately wants shooting.


Who do you take at 9?

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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#165 » by Knightro » Mon May 17, 2021 1:51 pm

drsd wrote:Who do you take at 9?


I'd be fine with one of Sengun, Wagner, Springer, Moody, Barnes, Giddey.

I'm not particularly interested in Kispert, Z. Williams, D. Mitchell, K. Johnson for a variety of reasons.
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Post#166 » by uraverage » Mon May 17, 2021 2:02 pm

Love for Jalen Johnson to fall to our Bulls pick but don't see it happening. Maybe if he interviews terrible with other teams. I don't think we have the assets to move up and get him. A Green\Johnson draft would be best case in my prospective.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#167 » by VFX » Mon May 17, 2021 2:45 pm

Based on WeHam methodology, I can see them taking an older prospect with the Bulls pick using the logic that they don’t want to be “too young”. Someone like Kispert, Ayo, Duarte, Wagner, or Mitchell would be the general idea.

Not saying I’d be in favor of weighing that idea heavily, but it seems like something they’d say is “an important factor” as a talking point.
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Post#168 » by nicnac215 » Mon May 17, 2021 4:09 pm

uraverage wrote:Love for Jalen Johnson to fall to our Bulls pick but don't see it happening. Maybe if he interviews terrible with other teams. I don't think we have the assets to move up and get him. A Green\Johnson draft would be best case in my prospective.

O please no. I want Jalen Johnson no where near Orlando. I wouldn’t pick him in the 2nd rd. I really don’t think we pick players in the lottery.
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Post#169 » by nicnac215 » Mon May 17, 2021 4:10 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Based on WeHam methodology, I can see them taking an older prospect with the Bulls pick using the logic that they don’t want to be “too young”. Someone like Kispert, Ayo, Duarte, Wagner, or Mitchell would be the general idea.

Not saying I’d be in favor of weighing that idea heavily, but it seems like something they’d say is “an important factor” as a talking point.

Wagner is really young.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#170 » by tiderulz » Mon May 17, 2021 4:38 pm

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drsd wrote:With the 9th pick in the draft, I like Corey Kispert. I cannot get excited about Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams (which ever of the three that slides to 9), and for me, Davion Mitchell is all hype. Kai Jones is too much of a stretch for my at 9.

Kispert is thus a default pick for me.


Nothing better than picking a guy who turns 23 during his rookie year and looked physically overmatched in the NCAA Tournament.

Kispert would be a bad pick IMO. Guys who are great shooters, but do virtually nothing else well just aren't that valuable, but get paid way more than is deserved because everyone desperately wants shooting.

i didnt see him physically overmatched in the tournament at all.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#171 » by tiderulz » Mon May 17, 2021 4:40 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Based on WeHam methodology, I can see them taking an older prospect with the Bulls pick using the logic that they don’t want to be “too young”. Someone like Kispert, Ayo, Duarte, Wagner, or Mitchell would be the general idea.

Not saying I’d be in favor of weighing that idea heavily, but it seems like something they’d say is “an important factor” as a talking point.

Wagner is 19, so take him out if you dont want young
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Post#172 » by DiplomaticMagic » Mon May 17, 2021 6:51 pm

Honestly I think the only picks I'll be mad at with the Bulls pick are Kispert or Davion Mitchell.

As long as its not one of them, I will be optimistic about the pick
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Post#173 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon May 17, 2021 7:14 pm

Moses Moody is the only answer.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#174 » by drsd » Mon May 17, 2021 7:20 pm

Knightro wrote:
drsd wrote:Who do you take at 9?


I'd be fine with one of Sengun, Wagner, Springer, Moody, Barnes, Giddey.

I'm not particularly interested in Kispert, Z. Williams, D. Mitchell, K. Johnson for a variety of reasons.


If Moody slides to #9, I don't care who else is on the board: he is the pick.

Wagner might be a reach, but if Management is sold on him, sure, why not.

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Post#175 » by RookieStar » Mon May 17, 2021 8:41 pm

drsd wrote:With the 9th pick in the draft, I like Corey Kispert. I cannot get excited about Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams (which ever of the three that slides to 9), and for me, Davion Mitchell is all hype. Kai Jones is too much of a stretch for my at 9.

Kispert is thus a default pick for me.


Why? IF we are going to pick 9 and you look at our roster of 3 2nd yr players plus 1 top-5 pick.. we can afford to swing for the fences and get an up-and-coming raw player who we project has a lot of upside but can't contribute "much" THIS season. Like Zaire or Wagner.

Kispert is good at 3pt shooting. No one I think is better than him this draft. And I don't believe in his disadvantage in mobility. If our very own JJ was able to overcome all those "stigmas" against him, I don't see why Cory can't. However, his ceiling is probably lower than so may others.
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Post#176 » by RookieStar » Mon May 17, 2021 8:46 pm

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RookieStar wrote:I dunnno what the arguement regarding Mobley vs WCJ is and rrgarding their numbers. However just bear in nind that Mobley is/was practically the center of their offense. Meaning they look to him almost evry chance they get and force fed him the ball. WCJ, if you all remember, was the last in the totem pole in that stacked Duke team. He wasnt even the 1st big optiom, Bagley was. They practically wanted him to be their garbage man and rebound the misses of their Duval, GTJ amd Graysons wing production.

So whatever offensive production WCJ produced, it was to all purpose, accidental or an afterthought compared to Mobley.


This is a very true statement. Carter averaged around the same numbers as Mobley while playing 7 minutes less a game. I am not overly impressed with Mobley at the next level. Rather let WCJ and Bamba push each other next year and see who excels and who does not.


Yeah but I forgot to add context as well.. because he was the focus of offense, opposing teams were also designed to stop him. You compare that to WCJ where opposing teams were more concerned about the other players as well and forgot about him. Not to mention the fact that that the opposing team's big man was defending Bagley and thus a smaller opponent was checking on WCJ. Thus, he could score easily.

My point is.. Mobley could improve and be better so don't count him out if our scouting department would show that he is the BPA of where we pick.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#177 » by Xatticus » Mon May 17, 2021 9:43 pm

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drsd wrote:With the 9th pick in the draft, I like Corey Kispert. I cannot get excited about Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams (which ever of the three that slides to 9), and for me, Davion Mitchell is all hype. Kai Jones is too much of a stretch for my at 9.

Kispert is thus a default pick for me.


Why? IF we are going to pick 9 and you look at our roster of 3 2nd yr players plus 1 top-5 pick.. we can afford to swing for the fences and get an up-and-coming raw player who we project has a lot of upside but can't contribute "much" THIS season. Like Zaire or Wagner.

Kispert is good at 3pt shooting. No one I think is better than him this draft. And I don't believe in his disadvantage in mobility. If our very own JJ was able to overcome all those "stigmas" against him, I don't see why Cory can't. However, his ceiling is probably lower than so may others.


He isn't Redick though. Redick hit more threes in every year than Kispert hit in any year. Redick averaged 3.9 3-point makes per 40 minutes for his career versus Kispert's 2.9. Redick hit 457 total threes in college. Kispert hit 270. Redick shot 91% from the free throw line versus Kispert's 82%. Kispert is a good shooter, but Redick was much better.
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Re: Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick? 

Post#178 » by RookieStar » Mon May 17, 2021 10:42 pm

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drsd wrote:With the 9th pick in the draft, I like Corey Kispert. I cannot get excited about Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson or Ziaire Williams (which ever of the three that slides to 9), and for me, Davion Mitchell is all hype. Kai Jones is too much of a stretch for my at 9.

Kispert is thus a default pick for me.


Why? IF we are going to pick 9 and you look at our roster of 3 2nd yr players plus 1 top-5 pick.. we can afford to swing for the fences and get an up-and-coming raw player who we project has a lot of upside but can't contribute "much" THIS season. Like Zaire or Wagner.

Kispert is good at 3pt shooting. No one I think is better than him this draft. And I don't believe in his disadvantage in mobility. If our very own JJ was able to overcome all those "stigmas" against him, I don't see why Cory can't. However, his ceiling is probably lower than so may others.


He isn't Redick though. Redick hit more threes in every year than Kispert hit in any year. Redick averaged 3.9 3-point makes per 40 minutes for his career versus Kispert's 2.9. Redick hit 457 total threes in college. Kispert hit 270. Redick shot 91% from the free throw line versus Kispert's 82%. Kispert is a good shooter, but Redick was much better.


Probably because in the JJ-led teams it was only him and the LandLord that had the greenlight to shoot and not get reprimanded no matter how ugly it was. Kispert had more help to pass on to. But the most glaring observation is probably Kispert did ost of his 3s when he was junior and senior I think?? while JJ did it earlier thus, more shots attempted.

But anyway why are we talking about JJ's shots when I was talking about his "stigma" meaning supposedly slow,unathletic, defensive-liability, short arm, etc etc when he came to the league which I compare to the "stigma" Kispert also has been labeled to have coming in ( obviously not EXACTLY the same)
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Post#179 » by yoyojw17 » Mon May 17, 2021 10:49 pm

I'll totally take a Ziaire Williams or Wagner at 9. Though the numbers weren't the hottest williams has a combination of size, handles, shooting, and defensive potential that reminds me of a Tmac-lite. And wagner is just an all around player that will make most lineups just that much better.
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Post#180 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon May 17, 2021 11:18 pm

What about the Chi pick, plus 2022 1st, top 3 protected and Ross for TJ Warren??
he'd be a FA after 2022, but we'd have the space to sign him.

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