2022-2023 Regular Season Game 70: Orlando Magic (28-41) at Phoenix Suns (37-32) - 10pm

ibraheim718 · Post #161 » by **ibraheim718** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:21 am

The have to attempt at least about 400 more 3's a game. That's a grip of 3's. And shoot it 2 to 3 percentage points higher.

Post #162 » by **Knightro** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:22 am

The Magic are 14-13 on the season when they make the league average (12) 3PT or more regardless of accuracy.

14-29 when they make fewer than the league average regardless of accuracy.

The Magic are 19-12 on the season when they shoot the league average (.361) or better from 3PT.

9-30 when they shoot worse than the league average.

Post #163 » by **Knightro** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:24 am

ibraheim718 wrote:The have to attempt at least about 400 more 3's a game. That's a grip of 3's. regardless of percentage?

They need more volume and more accuracy.

There isn't a single team in the entire NBA that has a winning record in the bottom half (16-30) of the league in both 3PT attempts and in 3PT percentage.

It's tough, but you can win with high volume and low accuracy from 3PT. Grizzlies, Heat, Knicks and Wolves all succeed with poor 3PT accuracy.

It's tough, but you can win with low volume and high accuracy from 3PT. Nuggets, Cavaliers, Suns and Sixers all succeed with low 3PT volume.

You simply can't win if you're low in both.

ibraheim718 · Post #164 » by **ibraheim718** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:24 am

Question... is the scheme and or playmakers responsible for not getting up enough 3pa's?

ibraheim718 · Post #165 » by **ibraheim718** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:26 am

Knightro wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:The have to attempt at least about 400 more 3's a game. That's a grip of 3's. regardless of percentage?

They need more volume and more accuracy.

There isn't a single team in the entire NBA that has a winning record in the bottom half (16-30) of the league in attempts and in percentage.

It's tough, but you can win with high volume and low accuracy from 3PT.

It's tough, but you can win with low volume and high accuracy from 3PT.

You can't win if you're low in both.

Yeah that's pretty clear when you look at the numbers. So about 2 to 3 percentage points higher.. they are roughly shooting it at 35% and 37% gets you in the upper tier.

Post #166 » by **Knightro** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:32 am

ibraheim718 wrote:Question... is the scheme and or playmakers responsible for not getting up enough 3pa's?

I think it's pretty much all personnel.

Fultz has the ball in his hands more than anyone else on the team and he simply doesn't take threes. He's clearly the primary culprit.

But it's not all his fault. Paolo, Franz, Cole are all below the league average in 3PT rate as well. Not as severely so as Fultz, but those are ultimately your four primary ball handlers and playmakers.

Post #167 » by **Bensational** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:56 am

Knightro wrote:
/misquote*

What’s their record when they’re below average on volume but above average in accuracy?

*-followed up below.

yoyojw17 · Post #168 » by **yoyojw17** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:48 am

Knightro wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:Question... is the scheme and or playmakers responsible for not getting up enough 3pa's?

I think it's pretty much all personnel.

Fultz has the ball in his hands more than anyone else on the team and he simply doesn't take threes. He's clearly the primary culprit.

But it's not all his fault. Paolo, Franz, Cole are all below the league average in 3PT rate as well. Not as severely so as Fultz, but those are ultimately your four primary ball handlers and playmakers.

Main culprit that he doesn't take them....but he affords them good shots that they don't make... And some of them are quicker to never relocate when their man loses them.... And start dribbling the second they get the ball. There's a lot of factors.... And we will be better as the players get better. I love Harris.... But he doesn't help either. Shoots great ... But in my opinion needs to get the trigger pulled a lot more and plays should be run for him as well.

I think even with the same lineup.... Just individual player and team growth would make a huge difference. Praying for a great healthy summer.

Husky1 · Post #169 » by **Husky1** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:03 am

Gary Harris is offering absolutely nothing. Mose should of kept Cole in as he was hot. Same as Goga for WCJ. Mose inability to read the game and keep the hot hands so to say, in the game is really frustrating.

drsd · Post #170 » by **drsd** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:14 am

Another "what a joke" game from G-Harris. All he did was shoot threes. And was inefficient even there. Can the Magic please acquire a SG that contributes to the offensive sets? Standing behind the arc is not a contribution.

p.s. Suggs with another "I am not a SG" boxscore.

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drsd · Post #171 » by **drsd** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:18 am

Another DNP-CD for Carter-Williams. If he does not log a minute, he will not be listed as an NBA player this year. I think that effects his pension.

Would be nice to see him starting to pick up scrub minutes. (This wouldn't have been the game for that).

thelead · Post #172 » by **thelead** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:22 am

drsd wrote:Another "what a joke" game from G-Harris. All he did was shoot threes. And was inefficient even there. Can the Magic please acquire a SG that contributes to the offensive sets? Standing behind the arc is not a contribution.

p.s. Suggs with another "I am not a SG" boxscore.

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The offense is all about the PG (Fultz or Cole), Franz, and Paolo. WCJ gets passes off of their reads as he often screens for them. Harris and Suggs get scraps. The SG position is mostly ignored in our ‘sets’.

pepe1991 · Post #173 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:32 am

Fultz 0-1
Suggs 0-2
Cole 2-4

Cam Payne 3-5

drsd · Post #174 » by **drsd** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:50 am

Knightro wrote:The Magic are 14-13 on the season when they make the league average (12) 3PT or more regardless of accuracy.

14-29 when they make fewer than the league average regardless of accuracy.

The Magic are 19-12 on the season when they shoot the league average (.361) or better from 3PT.

9-30 when they shoot worse than the league average.

And the Magic shooting guards in 48 minutes combined made 3 FGs total; and shot 2-9 with the long ball. Hmm.

drsd · Post #175 » by **drsd** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:55 am

pepe1991 wrote:Fultz 0-1
Suggs 0-2
Cole 2-4

Cam Payne 3-5

Full context: Banchero and F-Wagner at 2-7.

Only Anthony and Carter were positive in this game with the Long ball (combining for 4-9).

In conclusion: Magic shooting dooms the team again.

drsd · Post #176 » by **drsd** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:59 am

Glass half-full stat: the Magic was 35-58 (60%) with the 2-ball. Add that to the nice 19-23 FT line, the Magic's interior offense kept this team in the game.

drsd · Post #177 » by **drsd** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:02 am

richi_v25 wrote:We lost but it was a good game. It was funny to see Fultz untie Ross shoes before his free throw.

In the Suns feed, the announcers were screaming for a technical foul because of.

Post #178 » by **Bensational** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:10 am

pepe1991 wrote:Fultz 0-1
Suggs 0-2
Cole 2-4

Cam Payne 3-5

Chris Paul 0-3

Fultz + Cole combine for 2-5
Paul + Payne combine for 3-8

Gary Harris 2-7
Booker 2-5

Franz 1-3
Okogie 2-10

Paolo 1-4
Torrey Craig 3-5

Wendell 2-5
Ayton 0-0

pepe1991 · Post #179 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:26 am

Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Fultz 0-1
Suggs 0-2
Cole 2-4

Cam Payne 3-5

Chris Paul 0-3

Fultz + Cole combine for 2-5
Paul + Payne combine for 3-8

Gary Harris 2-7
Booker 2-5

Franz 1-3
Okogie 2-10

Paolo 1-4
Torrey Craig 3-5

Wendell 2-5
Ayton 0-0

Magic had 12 more rebounds, 6 more FTA, almost identical assist numbers... but Magic made 8 threes ( 24 points) , Suns 13 ( 39 points).

Won't even count corpses of Gary Harris in here. In last two games dead body cumulated 3 FGM, 1 rebound and 3 assist in 50 min. He now failed to log single FTA in 7 games straight.

Post #180 » by **Bensational** » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:05 am

Bensational wrote:
Knightro wrote:The Magic are 14-13 on the season when they make the league average (12) 3PT or more regardless of accuracy.

14-29 when they make fewer than the league average regardless of accuracy.

The Magic are 19-12 on the season when they shoot the league average (.361) or better from 3PT.

9-30 when they shoot worse than the league average.

What’s their record when they’re below average on volume but above average in accuracy?

Whoops, misquoted you before.

I looked it up. The Magic are 10-5 when they make 12 or fewer 3 point attempts at 36% or higher. 12.6 is the average 3pm's per team. They had one win against Dallas when they only made 8 3's on 21 attempts.

So pointing back to the other post I misquoted, that would be them winning as a low attempts but high efficiency team as you pointed out.

I think it might be getting overlooked how much of an impact Paolo and Franz's growth will have on the rest of the roster in the future. Tatum and Brown combine for 16.7 3pa's in their 6th and 7th seasons, but in Tatum's rookie season they only combined for 7. Meanwhile Franz and Paolo combine for 8.6. The difference being that Tatum and Brown were hyper efficient, hitting at 43% and 40% respectively, and this season they're both under 35%. Paolo has some work to do to close that gap, but I think he'll get there.

This isn't to say that we can't do better than Fultz, or Harris, or Suggs or whoever. But if we don't replace those guys there is still reason to be optimistic about further improvement from what we already have. We've got a long way to go before we'll be desperate for finding that final championship piece.