Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young

[NavalAviator94]

straight up #2 for Trae absolutely... then you consolidate other assets like Fultz or Cole/Bulls Pick/Denver pick and make a big push in FA

Interesting, I don't think I would. I think Scoot is going to be one of the top point guards in the league in his prime due to his huge freaking hands, athleticism, ball control, and all the other intangibles he seems to exude. But I think it does speak to how well Trea has actually developed versus how negative the press has been about him.

I'm not a huge Fultz fan but he's what we got so until I can upgrade he's fine. Grabbing Trae would be starting to make other big moves + either trading or waiving Isaac + Fultz to open cap space and sign some FA to fit the bench. Find a way to be a challenger in 1 more year and Trae Banchero Franz WCJ Suggs is a solid starting point.


Like you said though it would probably be #2 + Denver Pick + Future pick + 1 of WCJ/Fultz/Cole/ + Salary filler ala Gary Isaac etc

This is probably our best offer. Anything outside of that is too much based on the risk.

I wonder if Atlanta would even want to trade him to a team in the same conference. Could Portland/Dame be the better option in Atlanta's eyes?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I would either, Scoot could end up better because of what you said.

The other part is how does Trae effect Paolo and Franz? Trae isn't a championship 1st option in my opinion. If we signed him it would be

#1 option: Paolo Banchero
#2 option: Trae Young
#3 option: Franz Wagner

I'm not sure Trae goes for that

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Trae would be pumped to play with ROY Banchero and Franz, people act like he's a massive cancer. Who cares whose Option #1 when you'd be able to work all 3 levels with those players and then some. Just would need to find a solid C for PnR actions and watch out.

All of this! Plus he would open the floor up more for both guys. I still love Fultz and Im good running it back with him but if you put Trae in his place the floor looks completely different. People talk about Trae percentages which is fair but I don't think teams play off of him daring him to shot.

Whats the absolute most you would offer for Trae? Lets just assume the lottery gods don't bless us and we end with 6 and 11.

WCJ + Fultz+ Harris + 6 + Denver Future for Trae.

Use 11 on Hendricks or maybe trade back for 2 picks and then grab a starting or backup C whose PnR heavy & go after FVV or GTJ as starting 2 guard

[tiderulz]

If shooting 34.8% from 30+ feet is shooting a Hail Mary then sign me up. His % from 30+ feet is better than our WHOLE team average from normal range.

honestly asking, because i dont know all the sites. where do you get the data about his shooting % from 30+ feet?

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629027/shooting

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

[MartinsIzAfraud]

honestly asking, because i dont know all the sites. where do you get the data about his shooting % from 30+ feet?

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629027/shooting

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

[tiderulz]

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629027/shooting

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

the numbers say he really isnt though. 33.5% from 3, 33.3 in playoffs this year. 38% last year, 18% in playoffs. 34% the year before, 31% in the playoffs. that isnt lethal, especially not in the playoffs.

[thelead]

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629027/shooting

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

That IQ though... down ONE with 7 seconds and you take a shot that you make 32% of the time with the double coming. He made it. Congrats but it was not a smart shot. I can see Franz getting pissed at that shot, shoulders sulking and all, with his arms out waiting to catch a pass

That's not to say I wouldn't replace Fultz with him if we had the chance. I just wouldn't gut the team for Trae.

[Howard Mass]

I would either, Scoot could end up better because of what you said.

The other part is how does Trae effect Paolo and Franz? Trae isn't a championship 1st option in my opinion. If we signed him it would be

#1 option: Paolo Banchero
#2 option: Trae Young
#3 option: Franz Wagner

I'm not sure Trae goes for that

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I just wouldn't want to give up a bunch of picks and young talent for a star. I like the way The Magic are building as is.

BTW: Axl, please check your PM's.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

That IQ though... down ONE with 7 seconds and you take a shot that you make 32% of the time with the double coming. He made it. Congrats but it was not a smart shot. I can see Franz getting pissed at that shot, shoulders sulking and all, with his arms out waiting to catch a pass

That's not to say I wouldn't replace Fultz with him if we had the chance. I just wouldn't gut the team for Trae.

If you watch it again it basically looks like a clear out and let Trae make his decision. There wasn’t any screens coming it was 1v1 Trae vs his guy and he hit it.

I’d also say it’s a great IQ play. Boston didn’t cover the far corner 3, looked like a Box +1 to double. He hit a quick jab step to get space then shot it way before double could do anything.

Who else would you want to take that shot that was in the game? Shooters shoot and in that scenario I’d take Trae 100/100 to shoot it. Trae was feeling it scored the last 14 points

[MartinsIzAfraud]

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

the numbers say he really isnt though. 33.5% from 3, 33.3 in playoffs this year. 38% last year, 18% in playoffs. 34% the year before, 31% in the playoffs. that isnt lethal, especially not in the playoffs.

Lethal should’ve been changed to legit range. He changes they way you have to defend him. I’d say 33% on 8.5 attempts is pretty damn good. People here are foolish if they wouldn’t take Trae as long as we kept Franz & Banchero. Everything else IMO is replaceable.

[Rainwater]

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1629027/shooting

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

He is an avg shooter. We need to end this myth that he is Steph Curry Just because you are a volume shooter doesn't make you a great shooter.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

thanks. so he is 31% from 30+ feet. maybe not Hail Mary, but not a good shot

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

He is an avg shooter. We need to end this myth that he is Steph Curry Just because you are a volume shooter doesn't make you a great shooter.

However, he is a MASSIVE upgrade over the PG's we have now and if all it takes is a few 1sts and 2-3 players outside Franz/Banchero you'd be dumb not to make the move.

[Rainwater]

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

He is an avg shooter. We need to end this myth that he is Steph Curry Just because you are a volume shooter doesn't make you a great shooter.

However, he is a MASSIVE upgrade over the PG's we have now and if all it takes is a few 1sts and 2-3 players outside Franz/Banchero you'd be dumb not to make the move.

I completely agree, I wouldn't mind taking on Trae but like I said before he would have to make fundamentals changes to his game to make it work. No more chucking with Paolo and Franz on the court, no more Hail Mary 3s, and he has to be more efficient from the field. If he could make those changes and the magic find a 3-D 2 guard, with Trae's playmaking ability it would perfect. But I question if Trae makes those changes, if he did Trae wouldn't find himself in the current trade talks.

Additionally, I don't know if the amount of assets needed to give up is worth it for a player like Trae especially since the Magic currently have a pretty bright future without Trae. Why mess it up.

[yoyojw17]

math was off on another site which is interesting. 32.5% if you take out what's likely 3 game clock heaves at last second beyond half-court. Point still stands dude is a lethal shooter and we have the pieces to play with him if we wanted to go for it

He is an avg shooter. We need to end this myth that he is Steph Curry Just because you are a volume shooter doesn't make you a great shooter.

However, he is a MASSIVE upgrade over the PG's we have now and if all it takes is a few 1sts and 2-3 players outside Franz/Banchero you'd be dumb not to make the move.

Well.... he's not quite the level of superstar as kawhi, durant, etc. who you can feel confident that... pretty much any team he plays on will be better without much hesitation. If they truly believe he can be a big plus for our team.... then yeah! Otherwise... i'd rather see where our growing players take us. won't say massive upgrade... he does definitely have skills that are better... but defense will take a hit and the subsequently we'll have to make moves to cover that up. especially since the atlanta team that tailored around him are all of a sudden open to parting ways as well.. there has to be genuine concerns that will be need . he has serious faults too and shoot.... he better not be a diva and demand the ball when he comes here... because at that point he will stimey the growth of Paolo and Franz. he's not a slam dunk... and if he doesn't work out again... we paid a lot and might not get remotely as much to move him again.

[Audi]

Man I really wish we had some insight into why ATL is willing to part with him. On paper it's a pretty match but when you have votes of his peers saying he's overrated and 'sources' floating around that he's the worst kind of selfish diva, that's just a chemistry killer and some players just aren't worth bringing into your locker room. Like, read this and tell me that doesn't make you concerned:

“It’s no secret there’s a serious disconnect between Young, the team’s star player, and many — though some say nearly all — of his teammates,” CBS Sports’ Ben Reiter wrote in a recent article. “He is not beloved, sources say, and there’s a strong view that Young fails to lead, to understand or care to understand what is required of him, and that as a result the team will never achieve what it should until that reality is fixed.”

[drsd]

I think no one is arguing that. But it´s a matter of who is available, at what price. Not just say a wish and you get it, and if you dont get perfect two-way winning-proofed player, just do nothing. In order to start more winning, we need to improve. In order to improve, we need to do moves that are possible.

When a Luke Kennard or Austin Reaves can do more for a roster than a Trae Young, yes a player is being over hyped.

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I’m trying to understand what you’re saying here…you’re comparing a Lamborghini to a couple of bicycles

First off: Young is Corvette, not a Lamborghini (looks cool, but what is really under the hood?).

Second off, I never said Young wan't a good player. What I will say now is that he is not a great player. And my point about tier-2 guards, is about winning. Not comparing players to each other.

Here's a question: do you think Young will win an NBA title in his career? If the answer is no, then a 25/10 stat line is all for show.

[Bensational]

Man I really wish we had some insight into why ATL is willing to part with him. On paper it's a pretty match but when you have votes of his peers saying he's overrated and 'sources' floating around that he's the worst kind of selfish diva, that's just a chemistry killer and some players just aren't worth bringing into your locker room. Like, read this and tell me that doesn't make you concerned:

“It’s no secret there’s a serious disconnect between Young, the team’s star player, and many — though some say nearly all — of his teammates,” CBS Sports’ Ben Reiter wrote in a recent article. “He is not beloved, sources say, and there’s a strong view that Young fails to lead, to understand or care to understand what is required of him, and that as a result the team will never achieve what it should until that reality is fixed.”

I think it’s just the journey of a young star learning how to lead. They have an instinct to want to do it all themselves but have to learn the hard way that will only get them so far. Then they have to not only learn how to rely on others but how to elevate them. I feel like most great stars/scorers go through it- Luka, LeBron, Kobe, MJ, etc.

Trae needs a bonafide 1a/b option alongside him and ideally that player being a front court player, imo. He’s be great next to Giannis, Jokic, Embiid but they’re franchise players in their own right. I wonder how he’d look in Memphis if you swapped Morant for him straight up?

[Skybox]

When a Luke Kennard or Austin Reaves can do more for a roster than a Trae Young, yes a player is being over hyped.

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I’m trying to understand what you’re saying here…you’re comparing a Lamborghini to a couple of bicycles

First off: Young is Corvette, not a Lamborghini (looks cool, but what is really under the hood?).

Second off, I never said Young wan't a good player. What I will say now is that he is not a great player. And my point about tier-2 guards, is about winning. Not comparing players to each other.

Here's a question: do you think Young will win an NBA title in his career? If the answer is no, then a 25/10 stat line is all for show.

That was a very wise pivot...IF Luke Kennard and Austin Reaves get a ring, it will not be in the same fashion as Trae Young might. Actually, it'd be a little closer to Jack Haley-style ring "earning".

[Knightro]

Tbh I don't think the Magic are great direct trade partners for Young.

I think the Magic would need a third team who could send the Hawks a win now piece or multiple win now pieces while some of the draft picks coming from the Magic would go to that third team.

Something like this...

(and this is just a hypothetical because I don't think the Bulls are going to rebuild)

To Magic: Young
To Hawks: LaVine, Caruso, 2023 Magic 1st, 2023 Bulls 1st
to Bulls: Fultz, Anthony, 2025 Magic 1st, 2025 Nuggets 1st

The Hawks owe multiple unprotected firsts to the Spurs and they have a clear win now coach in Synder, so they aren't going to tank. They'd want more win now pieces than the Magic would be able to offer.

[VFX]

Tbh I don't think the Magic are great direct trade partners for Young.

I think the Magic would need a third team who could send the Hawks a win now piece or multiple win now pieces while some of the draft picks coming from the Magic would go to that third team.

Something like this...

(and this is just a hypothetical because I don't think the Bulls are going to rebuild)

To Magic: Young
To Hawks: LaVine, Caruso, 2023 Magic 1st, 2023 Bulls 1st
to Bulls: Fultz, Anthony, 2025 Magic 1st, 2025 Nuggets 1st

The Hawks owe multiple unprotected firsts to the Spurs and they have a clear win now coach in Synder, so they aren't going to tank. They'd want more win now pieces than the Magic would be able to offer.

I don’t see Young as a real option for Orlando.

[Knightro]

I don’t see Young as a real option for Orlando.

He should be, but I don't think he will be.

I don't think the front office has the stones to actually go for it and acquire a legitimate star even though they have the assets to do so.

I'd love to be wrong, but I expect minimal changes from last year.