Waive Isaac?

[OrlChamps2030]

I don't think waiving or cutting Isaac makes sense unless we have a big fish on our hook in free agency.. Might as well see what can do next season

On the other side of the spectrum - counting on Isaac as some kind of foundational piece or factoring him into our draft selection seems even more crazy.. the dude hasn't been a full-time NBA player in years. Hopium is always highest in the offseason

[yoyojw17]

they're ok taking him and waiving him for cap space....

Really dont make any sense for us to do that though. We’re not paying him, insurance is. Also, who are we signing? We already have 20million cap space… i’m sure mgmt will make moves if necessary

teams in cap hell/title contenders with no space will gladly eat Isaac's money if it means getting off a bad deal and adding in a sweatener for us. We can just stand pat and if he still isn't healthy then you waive him when the time comes

So that better be a damn good sweetner if that's the case. Otherwise... i'd rather see where his journey takes him next season. It's not like we're looking at him as a starter anymore.... so... we will see what he bring as a complimentary piece off the bench... and hopefully he becomes a major impact off of the bench and a fill in if needed as a starter. Best case scenario .... he nips the injury bug and we have a great 3 man rotation at the forward spot... and a possible back up center.

[drsd]

Just to trigger pepe:

Magic Has 'Worthwhile Risk' to Keep PF Jonathan Isaac

(nice to see the correct singular grammar here by SI )

SI.com: Jonathan Isaac is approaching the final year of his contract with guarantees

Philosophically, if the Magic do suit Isaac up, I agree that it is VERY hard to imagine he would get waived in December/early-January.

So: Isaac looks fairly certain under that scenario to be retained the whole year. This takes him from 7.6M to 17.4M. AND: Isaac can take his salary to 20M in total if he, in the very unlikely event, plays in 70 or more games in the coming season. To remind, there is only one season he has played more than 34 games. One.

[Skybox]

"Worthwhile Risk" is a great term for Isaac...with our young frontcourt starters looking so promising, we really only need like 10-20mpg from Isaac and we don't even have to rush him there. He's so damn disruptive and infectious. You can just feel the defensive energy raise when he's on the floor. He's a big dude too...I could see him playing 3-5.

I know his medical history but "worthwhile risk", IMO, for one more year.

If we have the opportunity to go full Duncan/Hill this summer, I'd waive him instantly (and Fultz & anyone else not nailed down), but I don't see that coming and we seem to have enough cap space and trade chips to get in the mix without tapping out on JI (yet).

[Magic_Kingdom]

I have to say the majority of posters on this board seem to be a pretty optimistic bunch. I've seen so many posts where the poster says they are curious to see what Isaac does next year, or something to that effect.

For me, Isaac has stopped being a curiosity. The odds are overwhelming that he will do nothing next season, just like he has for the past 3 seasons and the bulk of his career.

Isaac is mostly just an annoyance at this point. Never plays, devours cap space, only pops up in the news when he's sharing the stage with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It will be nice when we don't have to talk about him anymore, when he's a permanent member of some traveling flat-earth carnival or the face of some money-centric mega church.

I might become a little curious if his next several media appearances were about basketball and wanting to lead the Magic to an NBA title. But we're in no danger of that.

[pepe1991]

Just to trigger pepe:

Magic Has 'Worthwhile Risk' to Keep PF Jonathan Isaac

(nice to see the correct singular grammar here by SI )

SI.com: Jonathan Isaac is approaching the final year of his contract with guarantees

Philosophically, if the Magic do suit Isaac up, I agree that it is VERY hard to imagine he would get waived in December/early-January.

So: Isaac looks fairly certain under that scenario to be retained the whole year. This takes him from 7.6M to 17.4M. AND: Isaac can take his salary to 20M in total if he, in the very unlikely event, plays in 70 or more games in the coming season. To remind, there is only one season he has played more than 34 games. One.

Pepe is on summer trip so nothing triggers him

[fendilim]

Just to trigger pepe:

Magic Has 'Worthwhile Risk' to Keep PF Jonathan Isaac

(nice to see the correct singular grammar here by SI )

SI.com: Jonathan Isaac is approaching the final year of his contract with guarantees

Philosophically, if the Magic do suit Isaac up, I agree that it is VERY hard to imagine he would get waived in December/early-January.

So: Isaac looks fairly certain under that scenario to be retained the whole year. This takes him from 7.6M to 17.4M. AND: Isaac can take his salary to 20M in total if he, in the very unlikely event, plays in 70 or more games in the coming season. To remind, there is only one season he has played more than 34 games. One.

Pepe is on summer trip so nothing triggers him

Why no invite?

[pepe1991]

Just to trigger pepe:


(nice to see the correct singular grammar here by SI )

SI.com: Jonathan Isaac is approaching the final year of his contract with guarantees

Philosophically, if the Magic do suit Isaac up, I agree that it is VERY hard to imagine he would get waived in December/early-January.

So: Isaac looks fairly certain under that scenario to be retained the whole year. This takes him from 7.6M to 17.4M. AND: Isaac can take his salary to 20M in total if he, in the very unlikely event, plays in 70 or more games in the coming season. To remind, there is only one season he has played more than 34 games. One.

Pepe is on summer trip so nothing triggers him

Why no invite?

Island of Vis but don't rent crappy scooters and don't bring your GF/wife on 18 km bike ride

[drsd]

I have to say the majority of posters on this board seem to be a pretty optimistic bunch. I've seen so many posts where the poster says they are curious to see what Isaac does next year, or something to that effect.

For me, Isaac has stopped being a curiosity. The odds are overwhelming that he will do nothing next season, just like he has for the past 3 seasons and the bulk of his career.

Isaac is mostly just an annoyance at this point. Never plays, devours cap space, only pops up in the news when he's sharing the stage with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It will be nice when we don't have to talk about him anymore, when he's a permanent member of some traveling flat-earth carnival or the face of some money-centric mega church.

I might become a little curious if his next several media appearances were about basketball and wanting to lead the Magic to an NBA title. But we're in no danger of that.

And-1

Isaac has been a Magician for 6 years. His mean games played per season is 24.5 games. This is not just because of his two Zero years, as his median is 27. Actually his averages are offset by his one, lonely season playing more than 35 games; in his sophomore year he logged an expected 75 games. All our fan hype is actually only based on how he did that year. That was the 2018-19 season. That was five NBA season's ago.

And it's not like Isaac has worked that hard on the court either. He has logged only 3636 total NBA minutes. For comparison, marginal talented Moritz Wagner was drafted the year after Isaac and has logged more total NBA minutes. Perennially injured Markelle Fultz has played more total minutes.

As a final thought, Isaac's upside projections are not that outstanding in themselves. His per36 numbers for his career are 13/1/8. Moe Wagner's per36 numbers are 18/3/8. The hype for Isaac seems to be exclusively about his defense. Is his defense really so outstanding that he should be a core player of this team even if he were fully healthy, and would be fully healthy for another 8 years? Isaac is not a future allstar. He will probably be an OK player from next year on, but nothing that most teams don't have on their roster. Isaac is replaceable, and it is time for him to move on.

[eyriq]

I have to say the majority of posters on this board seem to be a pretty optimistic bunch. I've seen so many posts where the poster says they are curious to see what Isaac does next year, or something to that effect.

For me, Isaac has stopped being a curiosity. The odds are overwhelming that he will do nothing next season, just like he has for the past 3 seasons and the bulk of his career.

Isaac is mostly just an annoyance at this point. Never plays, devours cap space, only pops up in the news when he's sharing the stage with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It will be nice when we don't have to talk about him anymore, when he's a permanent member of some traveling flat-earth carnival or the face of some money-centric mega church.

I might become a little curious if his next several media appearances were about basketball and wanting to lead the Magic to an NBA title. But we're in no danger of that.

And-1

Isaac has been a Magician for 6 years. His mean games played per season is 24.5 games. This is not just because of his two Zero years, as his median is 27. Actually his averages are offset by his one, lonely season playing more than 35 games; in his sophomore year he logged an expected 75 games. All our fan hype is actually only based on how he did that year. That was the 2018-19 season. That was five NBA season's ago.

And it's not like Isaac has worked that hard on the court either. He has logged only 3636 total NBA minutes. For comparison, marginal talented Moritz Wagner was drafted the year after Isaac and has logged more total NBA minutes. Perennially injured Markelle Fultz has played more total minutes.

As a final thought, Isaac's upside projections are not that outstanding in themselves. His per36 numbers for his career are 13/1/8. Moe Wagner's per36 numbers are 18/3/8. The hype for Isaac seems to be exclusively about his defense. Is his defense really so outstanding that he should be a core player of this team even if he were fully healthy, and would be fully healthy for another 8 years? Isaac is not a future allstar. He will probably be an OK player from next year on, but nothing that most teams don't have on their roster. Isaac is replaceable, and it is time for him to move on.

Nailed it.

[Redwood]

I have to say the majority of posters on this board seem to be a pretty optimistic bunch. I've seen so many posts where the poster says they are curious to see what Isaac does next year, or something to that effect.

For me, Isaac has stopped being a curiosity. The odds are overwhelming that he will do nothing next season, just like he has for the past 3 seasons and the bulk of his career.

Isaac is mostly just an annoyance at this point. Never plays, devours cap space, only pops up in the news when he's sharing the stage with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It will be nice when we don't have to talk about him anymore, when he's a permanent member of some traveling flat-earth carnival or the face of some money-centric mega church.

I might become a little curious if his next several media appearances were about basketball and wanting to lead the Magic to an NBA title. But we're in no danger of that.

Dude, "I hate Christians and conservative black people", would've been a lot faster to type.

His injuries have been frustrating but the rest of your post clearly shows you're just using them to mask your real issues with JI.

[RookieStar]

Yeah im getting the vibes that majority here who doesn't like JI is more about his religion/politics rather than his being a basketball player.

[pepe1991]

I have to say the majority of posters on this board seem to be a pretty optimistic bunch. I've seen so many posts where the poster says they are curious to see what Isaac does next year, or something to that effect.

For me, Isaac has stopped being a curiosity. The odds are overwhelming that he will do nothing next season, just like he has for the past 3 seasons and the bulk of his career.

Isaac is mostly just an annoyance at this point. Never plays, devours cap space, only pops up in the news when he's sharing the stage with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It will be nice when we don't have to talk about him anymore, when he's a permanent member of some traveling flat-earth carnival or the face of some money-centric mega church.

I might become a little curious if his next several media appearances were about basketball and wanting to lead the Magic to an NBA title. But we're in no danger of that.

And-1

Isaac has been a Magician for 6 years. His mean games played per season is 24.5 games. This is not just because of his two Zero years, as his median is 27. Actually his averages are offset by his one, lonely season playing more than 35 games; in his sophomore year he logged an expected 75 games. All our fan hype is actually only based on how he did that year. That was the 2018-19 season. That was five NBA season's ago.

And it's not like Isaac has worked that hard on the court either. He has logged only 3636 total NBA minutes. For comparison, marginal talented Moritz Wagner was drafted the year after Isaac and has logged more total NBA minutes. Perennially injured Markelle Fultz has played more total minutes.

As a final thought, Isaac's upside projections are not that outstanding in themselves. His per36 numbers for his career are 13/1/8. Moe Wagner's per36 numbers are 18/3/8. The hype for Isaac seems to be exclusively about his defense. Is his defense really so outstanding that he should be a core player of this team even if he were fully healthy, and would be fully healthy for another 8 years? Isaac is not a future allstar. He will probably be an OK player from next year on, but nothing that most teams don't have on their roster. Isaac is replaceable, and it is time for him to move on.

And 1

Just to add little context, one of most injury prone stars, Zion, drafted 2 years after Isaac, played identical amount of min total as Isaac who had 2 years head start.

It's mockery.
And i can only talk for myself but "you dislike him because of religion" to me is apsolute false, i'm Christian as well.

Isaac's core problem is fact that he is most injury prone player since Oden. He flat out does not play sport.

[Bensational]

At this stage we may as well keep him unless we get a chance to add a decent backup big to replace him. Let him play out his contract and try to rehab. Chances are close to 0 that he returns and stays healthy but if he does it’ll be worth it and it’ll only cost $17-20M in a developing season to see if he can or not.

[uraverage]

I have to say the majority of posters on this board seem to be a pretty optimistic bunch. I've seen so many posts where the poster says they are curious to see what Isaac does next year, or something to that effect.

For me, Isaac has stopped being a curiosity. The odds are overwhelming that he will do nothing next season, just like he has for the past 3 seasons and the bulk of his career.

Isaac is mostly just an annoyance at this point. Never plays, devours cap space, only pops up in the news when he's sharing the stage with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It will be nice when we don't have to talk about him anymore, when he's a permanent member of some traveling flat-earth carnival or the face of some money-centric mega church.

I might become a little curious if his next several media appearances were about basketball and wanting to lead the Magic to an NBA title. But we're in no danger of that.

And-1

Isaac has been a Magician for 6 years. His mean games played per season is 24.5 games. This is not just because of his two Zero years, as his median is 27. Actually his averages are offset by his one, lonely season playing more than 35 games; in his sophomore year he logged an expected 75 games. All our fan hype is actually only based on how he did that year. That was the 2018-19 season. That was five NBA season's ago.

And it's not like Isaac has worked that hard on the court either. He has logged only 3636 total NBA minutes. For comparison, marginal talented Moritz Wagner was drafted the year after Isaac and has logged more total NBA minutes. Perennially injured Markelle Fultz has played more total minutes.

As a final thought, Isaac's upside projections are not that outstanding in themselves. His per36 numbers for his career are 13/1/8. Moe Wagner's per36 numbers are 18/3/8. The hype for Isaac seems to be exclusively about his defense. Is his defense really so outstanding that he should be a core player of this team even if he were fully healthy, and would be fully healthy for another 8 years? Isaac is not a future allstar. He will probably be an OK player from next year on, but nothing that most teams don't have on their roster. Isaac is replaceable, and it is time for him to move on.

And 1

Just to add little context, one of most injury prone stars, Zion, drafted 2 years after Isaac, played identical amount of min total as Isaac who had 2 years head start.

It's mockery.
And i can only talk for myself but "you dislike him because of religion" to me is apsolute false, i'm Christian as well.

Isaac's core problem is fact that he is most injury prone player since Oden. He flat out does not play sport.

I sat with my hands on my head for almost 5 minutes after reading this and it's hard to say, but you are right. The couple of games he was able to play this year were exciting. To me he looked like he had strengthened his legs from the last time he played, and he still had a nose for the ball.

With that said sadly its time for him move on.

Some may not agree but the Magic are on the clock. If PB and Franz are the 1 and 2, then window is 6-7 years (Boston like). If the Magic are not a contender (top 4 in east) in the next 3-5 years is this rebuild a failure? I think it is. I think it's time to find a stud point guard with a shot to keep the defense honest and find playable shooting. This is something the team has been lacking for a long time. I would rather free up the money now by cutting him and see what shows up in the trade\free agent market. I know we can hold him until the last second to cut him and look for some sort of trade package, but I would rather the team plan for him not to be there.

Well said pepe and "Hey Isaac. It's not me, it's you. It's been fun hoping, best of luck in your future endeavors."

[drsd]

And i can only talk for myself but "you dislike him because of religion" to me is apsolute false ....

Personally I like Isaac as a Magician more because of his outspoken identity. I suspect few of our politics align (his and mine; not considering pepe's politics), but Isaac is an athlete not a politician.

And: the point is that he must have a more firm moral compass than some thugs that have played for the Magic (I am talking to you Matt Barnes and Gilbert Arenas).

It is clear that Isaac works very, very hard on his body and his game. Those are good things.

But he is a glass tiger. And it is time for him to move on.

[fendilim]

I have to say the majority of posters on this board seem to be a pretty optimistic bunch. I've seen so many posts where the poster says they are curious to see what Isaac does next year, or something to that effect.

For me, Isaac has stopped being a curiosity. The odds are overwhelming that he will do nothing next season, just like he has for the past 3 seasons and the bulk of his career.

Isaac is mostly just an annoyance at this point. Never plays, devours cap space, only pops up in the news when he's sharing the stage with a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It will be nice when we don't have to talk about him anymore, when he's a permanent member of some traveling flat-earth carnival or the face of some money-centric mega church.

I might become a little curious if his next several media appearances were about basketball and wanting to lead the Magic to an NBA title. But we're in no danger of that.

Dude, "I hate Christians and conservative black people", would've been a lot faster to type.

His injuries have been frustrating but the rest of your post clearly shows you're just using them to mask your real issues with JI.

Couldn’t have said this any better.

I get the frustration with JI’s health, but I believe most of the hate is motivated against him being outspoken of his beliefs.

[magickingdom]

You name plagiarizer you.
MagicKingdom since 2001 thank you.

[SOUL]

I'm probably complete opposite of Isaac politically but I'd say the disappointment with most people are injuries. Some people do have personal issues with his politics, which I think is a silly reason to not want a player on your team unless they're actively committing hate crimes (this goes for any side). But I can realistically see how a player who rarely plays spewing the opposite beliefs of your politics visibly would be annoying and grating when you just want them to play.

He's probably my favorite player to watch when he's healthy. But knowing this board, there are way less patient people than me. I'll still give him another injury issue before wanting to move on because he affects the defense that much.

[J_Magic]

Cut him if he is not ready by training camp. He should already be playing pick up games through the Summer so he doesn't need to be conditioned back in during Camp.