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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#161 » by BadMofoPimp » Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:20 pm

CarraT wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Chauncey Billups, a finals MVP, didn't average 5apg until his 5th season thus by standards created by fans here, Billups wasn't a PG either.


Nobody is talking about total numbers. Per 100 Possessions, Billups in his rookie season had 7.3 Assists. Black had 3.9
His A:TO ratio was also better. And Billups shot more 3P in his rookie season than AB in his first 2 seasons combined. In an era, when 3P didn’t nearly mattered as much as nowadays and teams were taking a lot less.


Realisitcally, I see AB as a future KCP.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#162 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:58 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
CarraT wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Chauncey Billups, a finals MVP, didn't average 5apg until his 5th season thus by standards created by fans here, Billups wasn't a PG either.


Nobody is talking about total numbers. Per 100 Possessions, Billups in his rookie season had 7.3 Assists. Black had 3.9
His A:TO ratio was also better. And Billups shot more 3P in his rookie season than AB in his first 2 seasons combined. In an era, when 3P didn’t nearly mattered as much as nowadays and teams were taking a lot less.


Realisitcally, I see AB as a future KCP.


I think skill-wise, he's there now...just a matter of him CHOOSING to pull up more aggressively this season. KCP has decent (non-PG) handles, he could bring the ball up, display useful court vision, move the ball. Again, I think that's NAW as well, which is why I don't understand the interest in him with our scarce cap space...I guess an argument could be made that you can't have enough long, fast, 3&D wings if you're hoping to contend.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#163 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:00 pm

drsd wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Chauncey Billups, a finals MVP, didn't average 5apg until his 5th season thus by standards created by fans here, Billups wasn't a PG either.


Billups was used as a 2-guard his first years.


and was considered a failure at it...he became an excellent PG, obviously.

I remember seeing him in the O-rena during the "Gabriel Shuffle"...I don't think he ever got a jersey.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#164 » by JF5 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:34 pm

shadrock wrote:Elfrid Payton in the making, and not in a good way.

But in all seriousness, he needs to get serious about his game and mature fast or he will be an afterthought. Young guys like him tend to believe they will keep getting endless oppourtunities, but as Elfrid found out, the young guy with potential can very quickly become the guy who never grabbed his chance, especially when the rookie deal runs out.

Time to grow up.


At least Payton had PG abilities... That man absolutely got the ball to other players and penetrate the defense. He was too inconsistent and never improved after a certain point and actually started regressing.

Its the samething with Fultz. Fultz could absolutely control the pace of a team and get it to players/penetrate. He just regressed as offensive option due to injuries. But he actually looked like a PG when he was on the floor.

AB has none of the instincts/abilities those guys had. Like at all... I've seen all these guys play in the different Magic eras and AB just reminds me more of a smaller guard/wing version of Aaron Gordon without the extreme athleticism.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#165 » by Idiosyncratic » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:40 pm

CarraT wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Chauncey Billups, a finals MVP, didn't average 5apg until his 5th season thus by standards created by fans here, Billups wasn't a PG either.


Nobody is talking about total numbers. Per 100 Possessions, Billups in his rookie season had 7.3 Assists. Black had 3.9
His A:TO ratio was also better. And Billups shot more 3P in his rookie season than AB in his first 2 seasons combined. In an era, when 3P didn’t nearly mattered as much as nowadays and teams were taking a lot less.


AB seems extremely coachable and plays exactly the role the coaches want him to play. In the 1st two months this year when they had him playing PG, his assists per 100 had to be near 8 I imagine (does anyone know how to get monthly per 100 splits?) . Then they moved him off ball in favor of Cole, hardly played on ball his rookie year.

I don't even think it is likely he ends up a PG, but he has shown passing flashes when given the chance IMO. Showed some real "WOW" level passing finds early in the year then maybe lost confidence? Seriously rewatch some of those high assist early games though, not saying he was great in those games, but was essentially a rookie PG at that point and showed some things. I think he is probably a secondary playmaker, defensive swiss army knife like Andre Iguodala, but I am not writing a 21 year old off.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#166 » by VFX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:03 pm

I'll reiterate that I'm not out on AB as a player.

Do I think he would be better off traded for another player that makes sense while his value is still there? Sure.
Do I think his skillset is duplicative of Paolo and Franz so far up to this point? Yes.

I just push back on people lying to themselves about players because they happen to wear a Magic jersey at this stage in their career. Just be honest about what you have seen with your goddamn eyes. Stop pulling out random advanced analytics so that it fits your distorted narrative that not even coaches or the Front Office would agree with. It's embarrassing.

Nobody learns apparently from past hills that people die on here. AG is the next Paul George and Elfrid Payton is Rondo. Paolo is Tatum. Now AB is Chauncy Billups or SGA because you pulled some random individual stat out of your ass. Dial back your optimism to realistic non-Reddit/Twitter brained levels please.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#167 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:02 pm

Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#168 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:25 pm

eyriq wrote:Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.


AI is a fun toy…you (apparently) give it the result you want and it will mine the universe for the obscure stat you desire to support it.

He had zero assists in 5 playoff games this year (appx 90 minutes). Cory Joseph got the start right over him. 3.1 apg in the regular season getting 24 mpg…he will likely improve somewhat, but assists are clearly not his thing. I’ll optimistically go with “connector” or “glue guy” but even those require a leap offensively.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#169 » by RichCollab » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:21 pm

eyriq wrote:Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.


So we don’t need a PG and thus we can trade AB for an upgrade? I like your line of thinking.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#170 » by CarraT » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:34 pm

RichCollab wrote:
eyriq wrote:Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.


So we don’t need a PG and thus we can trade AB for an upgrade? I like your line of thinking.


Yes please, get someone who can shoot and so at least fit a tiny bit to our „wing-hub offense“
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#171 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:02 pm

Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.


AI is a fun toy…you (apparently) give it the result you want and it will mine the universe for the obscure stat you desire to support it.

He had zero assists in 5 playoff games this year (appx 90 minutes). Cory Joseph got the start right over him. 3.1 apg in the regular season getting 24 mpg…he will likely improve somewhat, but assists are clearly not his thing. I’ll optimistically go with “connector” or “glue guy” but even those require a leap offensively.


Ode to Skybox, the Eye-Test Sage
You cling to your box score like gospel divine,
"Zero assists?!" — you shout, like it's some kind of sign.
But while you're stuck citing CoJo starts,
We're charting the growth, not cherry-picked parts.

The tape don’t lie, and neither do trends,
AB’s role is evolving — not bound by your lens.
He pressures the rim, he keeps us in flow,
But you miss the vision each time you crow.

You laugh at the numbers, call context a crutch,
But if you watched games, you wouldn’t say much.
Keep roasting with takes from three seasons ago,
We'll watch AB grow while your arguments plateau.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#172 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:15 pm

eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.


AI is a fun toy…you (apparently) give it the result you want and it will mine the universe for the obscure stat you desire to support it.

He had zero assists in 5 playoff games this year (appx 90 minutes). Cory Joseph got the start right over him. 3.1 apg in the regular season getting 24 mpg…he will likely improve somewhat, but assists are clearly not his thing. I’ll optimistically go with “connector” or “glue guy” but even those require a leap offensively.


Ode to Skybox, the Eye-Test Sage
You cling to your box score like gospel divine,
"Zero assists?!" — you shout, like it's some kind of sign.
But while you're stuck citing CoJo starts,
We're charting the growth, not cherry-picked parts.

The tape don’t lie, and neither do trends,
AB’s role is evolving — not bound by your lens.
He pressures the rim, he keeps us in flow,
But you miss the vision each time you crow.

You laugh at the numbers, call context a crutch,
But if you watched games, you wouldn’t say much.
Keep roasting with takes from three seasons ago,
We'll watch AB grow while your arguments plateau.


Wow...that's really good...please tell me you did it and didn't ask AI
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#173 » by JF5 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:18 pm

eyriq wrote:Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.


Black averaged 3.1 assist to 1.8 turnovers per game this previous season. You realize how awful that ratio that is? That's literally turning the ball over nearly 2/3 of the time you're trying to make a play.

That stat you put up doesn't provide the full context of where he's at.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#174 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:18 pm

RichCollab wrote:
eyriq wrote:Surprised this thread is still alive after I dropped the haymaker: “you’re missing the forest and the trees.”

Paolo and Franz are both top 10 in assist% among forwards. AB is top 8 in assist% among guards his age.

It’s a wing-hub offense built around a developing jumbo playmaker. Paolo sees the vision. Some of y’all still don’t.


So we don’t need a PG and thus we can trade AB for an upgrade? I like your line of thinking.


What are you even talking about? One of the main themes I’ve been pushing is that AB is the ideal fit as a secondary playmaker in a wing-led offense. Trading him for a “true PG” would be missing the entire point of the system we’re building.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#175 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:23 pm

Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
AI is a fun toy…you (apparently) give it the result you want and it will mine the universe for the obscure stat you desire to support it.

He had zero assists in 5 playoff games this year (appx 90 minutes). Cory Joseph got the start right over him. 3.1 apg in the regular season getting 24 mpg…he will likely improve somewhat, but assists are clearly not his thing. I’ll optimistically go with “connector” or “glue guy” but even those require a leap offensively.


Ode to Skybox, the Eye-Test Sage
You cling to your box score like gospel divine,
"Zero assists?!" — you shout, like it's some kind of sign.
But while you're stuck citing CoJo starts,
We're charting the growth, not cherry-picked parts.

The tape don’t lie, and neither do trends,
AB’s role is evolving — not bound by your lens.
He pressures the rim, he keeps us in flow,
But you miss the vision each time you crow.

You laugh at the numbers, call context a crutch,
But if you watched games, you wouldn’t say much.
Keep roasting with takes from three seasons ago,
We'll watch AB grow while your arguments plateau.


Wow...that's really good...please tell me you did it and didn't ask AI



Sadly, I'm no poet. I did provide the core points to flame you on if that counts? LOL

Love ya buddy, and I do agree that poem turned out funny as hell


Here's how I'd roast myself

Oh dear Eyriq, bold and brash,
With AB takes you love to clash.
You type with fire, full of pride,
As logic whimpers on the side.

You drop “haymakers” like they’re facts,
While nuance vanishes in your tracks.
A wing-hub prophet, loud and proud,
Yet somehow still lost in the cloud.

You cite assist rate, pace, and grind,
But context? Eh, you leave behind.
To critics, you declare “you’re blind!”
While AB’s jumper lags behind.

So here’s your roast, all in good cheer:
Keep riding hard for your guard so dear.
But if the offense starts to stall,
We’ll know who backed the shortest tall.
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#176 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:24 pm

Someone start a poetry thread...

Black has no tools
Should have stayed in school
Made Weltman a fool
yet still eyriq drools

amateur hour but... :lol:
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#177 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:29 pm

eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Ode to Skybox, the Eye-Test Sage
You cling to your box score like gospel divine,
"Zero assists?!" — you shout, like it's some kind of sign.
But while you're stuck citing CoJo starts,
We're charting the growth, not cherry-picked parts.

The tape don’t lie, and neither do trends,
AB’s role is evolving — not bound by your lens.
He pressures the rim, he keeps us in flow,
But you miss the vision each time you crow.

You laugh at the numbers, call context a crutch,
But if you watched games, you wouldn’t say much.
Keep roasting with takes from three seasons ago,
We'll watch AB grow while your arguments plateau.


Wow...that's really good...please tell me you did it and didn't ask AI



Sadly, I'm no poet. I did provide the core points to flame you on if that counts? LOL

Love ya buddy, and I do agree that poem turned out funny as hell


Here's how I'd roast myself

Oh dear Eyriq, bold and brash,
With AB takes you love to clash.
You type with fire, full of pride,
As logic whimpers on the side.

You drop “haymakers” like they’re facts,
While nuance vanishes in your tracks.
A wing-hub prophet, loud and proud,
Yet somehow still lost in the cloud.

You cite assist rate, pace, and grind,
But context? Eh, you leave behind.
To critics, you declare “you’re blind!”
While AB’s jumper lags behind.

So here’s your roast, all in good cheer:
Keep riding hard for your guard so dear.
But if the offense starts to stall,
We’ll know who backed the shortest tall.
I wouldn't even feed the trolls.

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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#178 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:31 pm

"Shortest Tall"...I"m filing that one away :lol:
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#179 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 22, 2025 9:24 pm

basketballRob wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Wow...that's really good...please tell me you did it and didn't ask AI



Sadly, I'm no poet. I did provide the core points to flame you on if that counts? LOL

Love ya buddy, and I do agree that poem turned out funny as hell


Here's how I'd roast myself

Oh dear Eyriq, bold and brash,
With AB takes you love to clash.
You type with fire, full of pride,
As logic whimpers on the side.

You drop “haymakers” like they’re facts,
While nuance vanishes in your tracks.
A wing-hub prophet, loud and proud,
Yet somehow still lost in the cloud.

You cite assist rate, pace, and grind,
But context? Eh, you leave behind.
To critics, you declare “you’re blind!”
While AB’s jumper lags behind.

So here’s your roast, all in good cheer:
Keep riding hard for your guard so dear.
But if the offense starts to stall,
We’ll know who backed the shortest tall.
I wouldn't even feed the trolls.

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I like the trolls
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Re: The Anthony Black dunk tank 

Post#180 » by CarraT » Sun Jun 22, 2025 10:24 pm

eyriq wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
eyriq wrote:

Sadly, I'm no poet. I did provide the core points to flame you on if that counts? LOL

Love ya buddy, and I do agree that poem turned out funny as hell


Here's how I'd roast myself

Oh dear Eyriq, bold and brash,
With AB takes you love to clash.
You type with fire, full of pride,
As logic whimpers on the side.

You drop “haymakers” like they’re facts,
While nuance vanishes in your tracks.
A wing-hub prophet, loud and proud,
Yet somehow still lost in the cloud.

You cite assist rate, pace, and grind,
But context? Eh, you leave behind.
To critics, you declare “you’re blind!”
While AB’s jumper lags behind.

So here’s your roast, all in good cheer:
Keep riding hard for your guard so dear.
But if the offense starts to stall,
We’ll know who backed the shortest tall.
I wouldn't even feed the trolls.

Sent from my SM-G998U1 using RealGM mobile app
I like the trolls


I lost track. Who where the big Fultz and Payton homers back in the days?
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