Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[dsg2021]

Trent is more than a solid scoring punch off bench. Guy averaged near 20 ppg in playoffs, ( don't re watch last plays )


I was never fan of Jones brothers, they are basketball midgets without much explosiveness, one gets exposed in playoffs, other never played playoffs.

I also want GTJ much more than Tyus, I won't say otherwise just because the rumors say it will be Tyus. But look at some positives, Tyus kept his amazing AST/TO ratio even in the Playoffs. If you look at his 12 playoffs games 2 seasons ago or average the last two playoffs years in a row, it's much more decent. Even 40% 3P% during the 12 playoffs game run.

I don't really understand why we are not trading Jett, and to a similar extent, Goga, into something that is a lot of cap/tpe space. Mosely trusted Jett for 0 MPG in the regular season and 0 MPG in the playoffs. Mosely trusted Goga for some MPG in the regular season but for 0 MPG in the playoffs. Are we really keeping like Jett + Tyus instead of trade Jett + sign GTJ/Anyone-Better-Than-Tyus for a little more than Tyus?

[SOUL]

I was never fan of Jones brothers, they are basketball midgets without much explosiveness, one gets exposed in playoffs, other never played playoffs.

I also don't like Tyus as much as some people. Not great defense. But he can take care of the ball and also shoot solidly. Don't like him as a lead guard but off of the bench it's better than what we've had recently so.

Playoff stuff is a bit too volatile and 4-6 game series is hard to take much stock in. Jerome had a great series and then a stinker and people already try to draw conclusions from that lol.

[fendilim]

Trent is more than a solid scoring punch off bench. Guy averaged near 20 ppg in playoffs, ( don't re watch last plays )


I was never fan of Jones brothers, they are basketball midgets without much explosiveness, one gets exposed in playoffs, other never played playoffs.

I also want GTJ much more than Tyus, I won't say otherwise just because the rumors say it will be Tyus. But look at some positives, Tyus kept his amazing AST/TO ratio even in the Playoffs. If you look at his 12 playoffs games 2 seasons ago or average the last two playoffs years in a row, it's much more decent. Even 40% 3P% during the 12 playoffs game run.

I don't really understand why we are not trading Jett, and to a similar extent, Goga, into something that is a lot of cap/tpe space. Mosely trusted Jett for 0 MPG in the regular season and 0 MPG in the playoffs. Mosely trusted Goga for some MPG in the regular season but for 0 MPG in the playoffs. Are we really keeping like Jett + Tyus instead of trade Jett + sign GTJ/Anyone-Better-Than-Tyus for a little more than Tyus?

No takers maybe

[zaymon]

Trent is more than a solid scoring punch off bench. Guy averaged near 20 ppg in playoffs, ( don't re watch last plays )


I was never fan of Jones brothers, they are basketball midgets without much explosiveness, one gets exposed in playoffs, other never played playoffs.

I also want GTJ much more than Tyus, I won't say otherwise just because the rumors say it will be Tyus. But look at some positives, Tyus kept his amazing AST/TO ratio even in the Playoffs. If you look at his 12 playoffs games 2 seasons ago or average the last two playoffs years in a row, it's much more decent. Even 40% 3P% during the 12 playoffs game run.

I don't really understand why we are not trading Jett, and to a similar extent, Goga, into something that is a lot of cap/tpe space. Mosely trusted Jett for 0 MPG in the regular season and 0 MPG in the playoffs. Mosely trusted Goga for some MPG in the regular season but for 0 MPG in the playoffs. Are we really keeping like Jett + Tyus instead of trade Jett + sign GTJ/Anyone-Better-Than-Tyus for a little more than Tyus?

GTJ is a black hole on offense and traffic cone on defense. There were also always very bad vibes around him, coaches literally complaining about him to the media. Guy we should stay as far away as we can.

Tyus is small but he can run offense and is a good teammate. If we played better with Cole in stretches we will definetly play better with Tyus. He is change of pace from Suggs, had good chemistry with Bane and could be great mentor for Jase.

Jett is still 6'7 and great shooter. Players often break out during their 3rd year. He is much better passer than GTJ. Nesmith went from 2 years of nothing into starting during playoffs. Sure lot of it is HaliEffect but we also made a lot of improvement to our playmaking this offseason. He could blossom with Tyus, he never played with a real point guard.

Celtics were bad matchup for Goga but he is still good rim protector, fairly young and with positive energy.

[pepe1991]

Trent is more than a solid scoring punch off bench. Guy averaged near 20 ppg in playoffs, ( don't re watch last plays )


I was never fan of Jones brothers, they are basketball midgets without much explosiveness, one gets exposed in playoffs, other never played playoffs.

I also want GTJ much more than Tyus, I won't say otherwise just because the rumors say it will be Tyus. But look at some positives, Tyus kept his amazing AST/TO ratio even in the Playoffs. If you look at his 12 playoffs games 2 seasons ago or average the last two playoffs years in a row, it's much more decent. Even 40% 3P% during the 12 playoffs game run.

I don't really understand why we are not trading Jett, and to a similar extent, Goga, into something that is a lot of cap/tpe space. Mosely trusted Jett for 0 MPG in the regular season and 0 MPG in the playoffs. Mosely trusted Goga for some MPG in the regular season but for 0 MPG in the playoffs. Are we really keeping like Jett + Tyus instead of trade Jett + sign GTJ/Anyone-Better-Than-Tyus for a little more than Tyus?

GTJ is a black hole on offense and traffic cone on defense. There were also always very bad vibes around him, coaches literally complaining about him to the media. Guy we should stay as far away as we can.

Tyus is small but he can run offense and is a good teammate. If we played better with Cole in stretches we will definetly play better with Tyus. He is change of pace from Suggs, had good chemistry with Bane and could be great mentor for Jase.

Jett is still 6'7 and great shooter. Players often break out during their 3rd year. He is much better passer than GTJ. Nesmith went from 2 years of nothing into starting during playoffs. Sure lot of it is HaliEffect but we also made a lot of improvement to our playmaking this offseason. He could blossom with Tyus, he never played with a real point guard.

Celtics were bad matchup for Goga but he is still good rim protector, fairly young and with positive energy.

You really gonna call GTJ traffic cone on defense and black hole on offense, and few paragraphs later write this?

Jett is still 6'7 and great shooter

Jett Howard in nba:
62/211 for 3 = 29%
50 assists, 39 turnovers (this year 44 assists, 36 TOs)

48,7% TS overall



What does Jett does with his 6'7 frame? Average 1 rebound a game , 0,2 blocks and 0,2 steals .Guy is so bad on defense, that traffic cone would be step in right direction. Might as well replace him with bottle of water in corner, at least somebody could trip over water every once in a while.

Jett Howard literally couldn't beat corpses of Gary Harris for PT. Gary Harris is probably playing his last season in nba, if he didn't already played his last. Ditto to Houstan.

They are probably calling teams offering Jett for nothing and still can't find suitor. Guy is our Jarret Culver. Faster they move him, less pain for fans.

[dsg2021]

GTJ is a black hole on offense and traffic cone on defense. There were also always very bad vibes around him, coaches literally complaining about him to the media. Guy we should stay as far away as we can.

Tyus is small but he can run offense and is a good teammate. If we played better with Cole in stretches we will definetly play better with Tyus. He is change of pace from Suggs, had good chemistry with Bane and could be great mentor for Jase.

Jett is still 6'7 and great shooter. Players often break out during their 3rd year. He is much better passer than GTJ. Nesmith went from 2 years of nothing into starting during playoffs. Sure lot of it is HaliEffect but we also made a lot of improvement to our playmaking this offseason. He could blossom with Tyus, he never played with a real point guard.

Celtics were bad matchup for Goga but he is still good rim protector, fairly young and with positive energy.

Do you know how hilariously difficult it was for Jett Howard to have his advanced defensive metrics as bad as he did? Even playing for like a top 3 defensive team didn't help boost his advanced defensive metrics from the basement. Nesmith was nowhere remotely as bad in his first two years. NAW was already decent in his.
This is why I don't want to lurk again yet. This is where we make our biggest mistake as a FO. We need to trade in for some offense, period. That is GTJ. We need to trade in for a locker room that has grown men with serious attitudes. We need to walk in with the vibe of a completely new roster as much as possible, and that means spacing it out like never before and making everyone 1-15 feel confident about their shooting again. It's time to grab GTJ and even one more Vet Min/BAE sniper.
By the way, I wouldn't put much effort into a coach liking you if I was on a 1 year Minimum deal and then finished scoring 19 PPG on 50% 3P% in MIL's 5 game series loss to IND. I think it motivated him all year long, and he sent a message in the Playoffs.

[CarraT]

My official prediction...

Sign Tyus Jones to a 2-year, 11.6M deal.

Resign Moritz Wagner to a 2 year deal for less AAV than the $11M he was going to make.

Resign Caleb Houstan to a 2 year deal for slightly more AAV than the $2.2M he was going to make.

G: Suggs, Jones, Richardson
G: Bane, Black, Howard
F: F. Wagner, Houstan/TDS (whichever order you prefer)
F: Banchero, Isaac, Penda
C: Carter, Bitadze, M. Wagner

I´m really, REALLY concerned about the bench offense here. It´s non-existent. Black, Isaac, Goga on the floor together? I hope not. Jones is a nice PG backup, but he is not a scorer. No one on that bench is. We need to have at least one good bench scorer (like Moe was). So, for example, sign Jones (BAE) AND GTJ (MLE). But then, it would be almost impossible to retain Moe, who works so well as a bench duo with Isaac. Maybe if we can dump Howard. Tricky one.

G: Suggs, Jones, Richardson
G: Bane, GTJ, Houstan
F: Wagner, Black, TDS
F: Banchero, Isaac, Penda
C: Cater, Goga, Moe

[zaymon]

Jett is 21 years old and played big part of his minutes at the end of games. Its very bold to evaluate shooting on such low volume and after he was in and out of lineups. Nico Harrison bold.
I wont even discuss about his stats becouse its not serious discussion.
He could be bust, he costs us some money, i wont blink when he is gone..... but Gary Trent ? Such many bullets to dodge. Just as we avoided one named Simons, we must prepare for one named Trent.

[dsg2021]

If we can't ever get a 14 mil MLE and 5 mil BAE again in the next 3 seasons, I would stretch-waive Jett Howard into those 3 seasons (for the MLE/BAE this summer). Easy decision.

[basketballRob]

If we can't ever get a 14 mil MLE and 5 mil BAE again in the next 3 seasons, I would stretch-waive Jett Howard into those 3 seasons (for the MLE/BAE this summer). Easy decision.

I was just reading yesterday that you can't stretch contracts in this new CBA.

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[drsd]

Trent is more than a solid scoring punch off bench. Guy averaged near 20 ppg in playoffs, ( don't re watch last plays )


I was never fan of Jones brothers, they are basketball midgets without much explosiveness, one gets exposed in playoffs, other never played playoffs.

I also want GTJ much more than Tyus, I won't say otherwise just because the rumors say it will be Tyus. But look at some positives, Tyus kept his amazing AST/TO ratio even in the Playoffs. If you look at his 12 playoffs games 2 seasons ago or average the last two playoffs years in a row, it's much more decent. Even 40% 3P% during the 12 playoffs game run.

I don't really understand why we are not trading Jett, and to a similar extent, Goga, into something that is a lot of cap/tpe space. Mosely trusted Jett for 0 MPG in the regular season and 0 MPG in the playoffs. Mosely trusted Goga for some MPG in the regular season but for 0 MPG in the playoffs. Are we really keeping like Jett + Tyus instead of trade Jett + sign GTJ/Anyone-Better-Than-Tyus for a little more than Tyus?

Might Trent be the very perfect backup major-minutes wing for Orlando? Would he sign for only 6-7M a year? I am not sure. See what the market brings.

[drsd]

Moved here as a non-Anthony point:

If we accept that Caldwell-Pope and Anthony were only salaries, then the 4-5 low-end FRPs for Bane is looking more and more like a steal by Orlando!

it also goes to show you how " team friendly" contracts that Weltman handed like drunk millionaire, weren't that friendly at all.

He literally had to sold farm of picks to move them.

Cole as player isn't very valuable, he is small 6'2-6'3 shooting guard who can't defend.
KCP was valuable when he made sub $12M a year and played on contender, before turning 30.

How Magic ended up in situation where Isaac, KCP , Cole and Carter combine for $76M is question that Weltman should be asked. That fool really thought 2023-24 Magic 47 wins, with no injury on roster whole year, after first round exit, was championship roster.

Makes one reflect that the 11M contract that was just declined on M-Wagner is the right path forward.
It is clear that a team that will have two max players and two 30+ players will fill its roster with 10-11 players each making 2-5M each.

It is looking more and more that there is no middle-class on contender teams anymore.

So: after M-Wagner, the next contracts to "resolve" will be Isaac's and Bitadze's. There is just too much on the unaffordability on the roster.

Howard is overpaid: by the way. Sad when a rookie contract is Too Much money.

[basketballRob]

Trent is more than a solid scoring punch off bench. Guy averaged near 20 ppg in playoffs, ( don't re watch last plays )


I was never fan of Jones brothers, they are basketball midgets without much explosiveness, one gets exposed in playoffs, other never played playoffs.

I also want GTJ much more than Tyus, I won't say otherwise just because the rumors say it will be Tyus. But look at some positives, Tyus kept his amazing AST/TO ratio even in the Playoffs. If you look at his 12 playoffs games 2 seasons ago or average the last two playoffs years in a row, it's much more decent. Even 40% 3P% during the 12 playoffs game run.

I don't really understand why we are not trading Jett, and to a similar extent, Goga, into something that is a lot of cap/tpe space. Mosely trusted Jett for 0 MPG in the regular season and 0 MPG in the playoffs. Mosely trusted Goga for some MPG in the regular season but for 0 MPG in the playoffs. Are we really keeping like Jett + Tyus instead of trade Jett + sign GTJ/Anyone-Better-Than-Tyus for a little more than Tyus?

Might Trent be the very perfect backup major-minutes wing for Orlando? Would he sign for only 6-7M a year? I am not sure. See what the market brings.

The only bad thing about Trent is that he doesn't create or handle the ball much. That's why lean more towards players like NAW, Dlo, Levert, or Kennard.

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[eyriq]

I combed through guards with chatgpt doing web searches for me and this is what I've arrived at, focusing on the median price and team. Obviously teams and players will converge. For example the Kings will likely choose between Schröder or Brogdon.

Above NT-MLE

Nickeil Alexander-Walker – Hawks/Pistons
Caris LeVert – Hawks


At NT-MLE

Dennis Schröder – Kings
Malcolm Brogdon – Kings
Ty Jerome – Magic/Pistons

Above T-MLE

Gary Trent Jr. – Bucks
Tyus Jones – Magic
Gary Payton II – Kings
Tre Jones – Bulls
Dante Exum – Mavericks
Kevin Porter Jr. – Bucks

At T-MLE

Bruce Brown – Nuggets
Tim Hardaway Jr. – Mavericks
D’Angelo Russell – Mavericks
Luke Kennard – Knicks


Above Minimum (but below T-MLE)
(none)

At Minimum

Gary Harris – Lakers
Chris Paul – Lakers
Spencer Dinwiddie – Lakers
Cameron Payne – Lakers
Lonnie Walker IV – Lakers
Delon Wright – Knicks/Lakers
Monte Morris – Clippers
Aaron Holiday – Rockets
Brandon Boston Jr. – Two-way / vet-min flier

[eyriq]

My read is that we'll likely get priced out of Ty Jerome and get squeezed on Tyus. Tyus, Kennard, and Hardaway could be the main options. I don't think it's out of the question that we just decide to role with Jett/Jase.

[Knightro]

Why exactly do you guys want Ty Jerome? If the Cavs fans are disappointed in his playoffs games, what exactly is going to be different with us?

I guess the question is what do you put more stock into?

Because Jerome had 70 great regular season games and was awesome in the first round sweep of Miami too.

He just had a few spectacularly bad games in Round 2.

Also the Cavs aren’t getting rid of him for any reason other than signing him would cost them like 95M in salary and luxury tax penalties.

[RichCollab]

Paolo put his foot down on us adding a table setter.

We are getting Tyus.

[drsd]

I´m really, REALLY concerned about the bench offense here. It´s non-existent. Black, Isaac, Goga on the floor together? I hope not. Jones is a nice PG backup, but he is not a scorer. No one on that bench is. We need to have at least one good bench scorer (like Moe was). So, for example, sign Jones (BAE) AND GTJ (MLE). But then, it would be almost impossible to retain Moe, who works so well as a bench duo with Isaac. Maybe if we can dump Howard. Tricky one.

G: Suggs, Jones, Richardson
G: Bane, GTJ, Houstan
F: Wagner, Black, TDS
F: Banchero, Isaac, Penda
C: Cater, Goga, Moe

I rather like the idea of Black at forward in your rotation that includes Jones and Trent.

I am not sure having a 15th player is either affordable or required. In this, there is no point to resigning Houstan.

The 14 man rotation in interesting though in that Jones/Trent/Black as a backcourt is VERY different than Suggs/Bane/F-Wagner. In that it is a real curve-ball to provide instant offense.

If M-Wagner proves unaffordable, then Precious Achiuwa, Kevon Looney, or Jaxson Hayes should be obtainable for 5M or less. If it is just an LLE vet as a 3rd stringer, then Daniel Theis, Sandro Mamukelashvili, or Jericho Sims could go low-cost here.

[magicfan217]

Tyus Jones makes a ton of sense. Would immediately upgrade the bench unit pretty substantially and could slide into a starting role when bane/suggs miss time (neither of them is playing 82 games). It didn't work well in phoenix in large part because they didn't have anyone around him interested in playing defense...the magic don't have that problem. Jones is a durable veteran offensive minded guard who can come of the bench or start.

[RichCollab]

Welcome your 2025/2026 Orlando Magic

Suggs/Tyus/Jase/MAC
Bane/ AB/Jett
Franz/TDS/ Caleb/ Etan Thompson
Paolo/JI/ Penda
WCJ/Moe/Goga