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Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What kind of player do you think we need most?

Point Guard
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Scoring Guard
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62%
Great Shooter
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18%
3&D Wing
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1621 » by Knightro » Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:52 am

MagicMatic wrote:Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Desmond Bane
Cole Anthony
Kira Lewis Jr
RJ Hampton
Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones


Guys I'd be fine taking at 15.
Lewis Jr.
Hampton
Maledon

Guys I could talk myself into taking at 15.
Bane
Terry
Jones

Guys I'm not interested in at 15.
Maxey
Anthony
Bolmaro

I just don't see it with Maxey and Anthony. Undersized shooting guards who don't really project as plus players in any area. You'd need to be 100% certain they're going to become high-end shooters to feel comfortable with either of them and I'm just not there.

The guy I keep coming back to - and it appears this board is lower on him than I am - is Josh Green.

From a size and athleticism standpoint, he's pretty much the ideal NBA wing. I like his motor. I admit that he's a little rawer than I typically like offensively, but I think he has enough foundational shooting, passing and speed with the ball to have a higher ceiling than people are thinking.
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Post#1622 » by VFX » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:35 am

Knightro wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Desmond Bane
Cole Anthony
Kira Lewis Jr
RJ Hampton
Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones


Guys I'd be fine taking at 15.
Lewis Jr.
Hampton
Maledon

Guys I could talk myself into taking at 15.
Bane
Terry
Jones

Guys I'm not interested in at 15.
Maxey
Anthony
Bolmaro

I just don't see it with Maxey and Anthony. Undersized shooting guards who don't really project as plus players in any area. You'd need to be 100% certain they're going to become high-end shooters to feel comfortable with either of them and I'm just not there.

The guy I keep coming back to - and it appears this board is lower on him than I am - is Josh Green.

From a size and athleticism standpoint, he's pretty much the ideal NBA wing. I like his motor. I admit that he's a little rawer than I typically like offensively, but I think he has enough foundational shooting, passing and speed with the ball to have a higher ceiling than people are thinking.


Nice list.

I agree for the most part about Anthony. Maxey seems a little more versatile, but also a project without a defined skill set.

It’s funny because I would probably switch your tier one and tier two lists for myself personally. I also think some people are underrating Jones because they assume he’s just like his brother. I think he has a higher ceiling and floor.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1623 » by MasterGMer » Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:18 am

Is Cole Anthony the next DJ Augustine?
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Post#1624 » by Bensational » Sun Oct 11, 2020 6:04 am

Knightro wrote:The guy I keep coming back to - and it appears this board is lower on him than I am - is Josh Green.

From a size and athleticism standpoint, he's pretty much the ideal NBA wing. I like his motor. I admit that he's a little rawer than I typically like offensively, but I think he has enough foundational shooting, passing and speed with the ball to have a higher ceiling than people are thinking.


As an Aussie, I'd be happy with Green. Not sure if I see a high ceiling for him, but he'll bring grit and hustle, especially on the defensive end. Like Joe Ingles but in a body closer to Mitchell. Don't love the low shooting percentages from 3 overall but like the look of his form.

I wasn't as high on him earlier, but he's fallen into decent list of names I'll be happy with.
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Post#1625 » by j-ragg » Sun Oct 11, 2020 2:44 pm

MasterGMer wrote:Is Cole Anthony the next DJ Augustine?

He looks like the next Dennis Smith jr at this point. I hope he goes to a good team, thought he'd be a top 3 pick this year (when he was in high school).
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Post#1626 » by Def Swami » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:12 pm

MasterGMer wrote:Is Cole Anthony the next DJ Augustine?

He'll be lucky to stick in the league that long.
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Post#1627 » by Xatticus » Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:39 pm

MagicMatic wrote:I’m interested to know how people rank these guards in our range based on BPA and Orlando’s “need” in skill sets.

Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Desmond Bane
Cole Anthony
Kira Lewis Jr
RJ Hampton
Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones

To me, all of these options make sense as selections, some more than others. I believe most of these players will be available to Orlando if they choose not to move up. Knowing our FO, I’d guess that they choose a guy that isn’t even on this list.

A pick and roll playmaker, that can also shoot, would be ideal. Obviously I think Killian Hayes would be the best choice for those qualities. If Orlando fails to move up, then hopefully they can find that kind of player here on this list.


I'd love to see another year from Terry. He was so underwhelming physically and he hasn't demonstrated much outside of his ability to shoot. Shooting, in general, is really overrated. Perhaps he develops into a facilitator, but he isn't that right now. You are gambling on his ability to develop into something more.

I don't like Hampton. He is athletic and put up big numbers in high school, but he looks like a pretty terrible finisher and a poor shooter on offense. He just looks so raw to me. He struggled in Australia. He looks like MCW to me. If you like his offense more than I do, I suppose I could see the appeal.

I'd be okay with Maxey. I don't like his stat line in college, but he claims that he was asked to play off the ball, but that he is actually a PG. Considering that he is playing at Kentucky, I suppose that's plausible. He is only just adequate in size for a combo guard, but he plays bigger than he is. He can finish in traffic. He competes at both ends. He should be a solid pro. He has to add something to be anything more than a rotation guy though. He isn't good enough at anything meaningful to look like anything more.

Bolmaro is interesting, but he can't shoot. He has solid mobility for his size, but he isn't a good athlete. He plays hard. That's always good. I suppose you could do worse, but he is severely limited as a playmaker by his inability to shoot. You don't have to chase him over screens. That's going to limit his ability to create, even if you give him screens to work with.

I don't like Bane. He is too small to hide at the four and he is way to slow to cover wings. He'll get cleaned up by every screen. He looks like a less-talented version of Michael Redd. He just looks so stiff and awkward in isolations that I don't think he can cover anyone in the NBA. He moves like Toppen. That's not a compliment. That strength is of limited value if he can't stay in front of anybody.

Anthony is precisely the type of prospect I would try to avoid. You can make all sorts of excuses for his performance at UNC, but at this point, he's just holding onto his high school hype. He is a one-and-done freshman that is the age of a college junior. He is a year older than Kira Lewis.

I like Lewis. That speed is a legitimate weapon. He can shoot. He is really smooth at finishing even at full speed, but he isn't good in traffic and his lack of physicality hurts him. He seemed rather aloof in the interview of him that I saw. That's a bit concerning. I just love that he is so young, so accomplished, and has grown so rapidly, even during the season you could see his improvement. I just think that bodes well for his future.

Maledon is kind of meh. He isn't particularly athletic and he isn't skilled enough to overcome that lack of athleticism. I just don't see an avenue for him to become anything of value. He can facilitate with the pick and roll, so I guess that is something.

I haven't looked at Jones.

I'd rank them...

Lewis
Maxey
Hampton (just based on upside)

I kind of don't care after that. There has to be something more appealing available at 15.

I really do want a playmaker or two out of this draft. This draft is stacked with PGs. I'd try to get a couple and let them fight for minutes. There are some other interesting guys. I like Mannion and Flynn. Both guys have the ability to orchestrate an offense. Mannion has more upside. I really like his game. I guess it depends on whether you think he will be able to shoot and defend, but he is a floor general. He can make the reads. He understands spacing. I read somewhere that he isn't a worker. That's a concern. I just like watching him play though.

I'd try to get a pick or two from Boston. They can't use their picks without dumping some guaranteed contracts. They are already into the luxury tax for next year and they have too many contracts. They don't want to use all three of those picks. They might not want to use any. I'd try to facilitate and get some more talent at the PG position.

I don't like Green. He doesn't have the game. He has the physical profile, but that's about it. If he is two inches shorter with two inches less of wingspan, I think he is a four-year college guy that hopes to get a summer league invite. What makes him more appealing than Pietrus or Abdul-Wahad? If he is a better shooter than those two... Francisco Garcia? That's fine. He will be able to defend. I'd rather not use our pick on that though. I'd really prefer to see anther year at Arizona from him before I was forced to make a decision on him.
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Post#1628 » by VFX » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:16 pm

Xatticus wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:I’m interested to know how people rank these guards in our range based on BPA and Orlando’s “need” in skill sets.

Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Desmond Bane
Cole Anthony
Kira Lewis Jr
RJ Hampton
Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones

To me, all of these options make sense as selections, some more than others. I believe most of these players will be available to Orlando if they choose not to move up. Knowing our FO, I’d guess that they choose a guy that isn’t even on this list.

A pick and roll playmaker, that can also shoot, would be ideal. Obviously I think Killian Hayes would be the best choice for those qualities. If Orlando fails to move up, then hopefully they can find that kind of player here on this list.


I'd love to see another year from Terry. He was so underwhelming physically and he hasn't demonstrated much outside of his ability to shoot. Shooting, in general, is really overrated. Perhaps he develops into a facilitator, but he isn't that right now. You are gambling on his ability to develop into something more.

I don't like Hampton. He is athletic and put up big numbers in high school, but he looks like a pretty terrible finisher and a poor shooter on offense. He just looks so raw to me. He struggled in Australia. He looks like MCW to me. If you like his offense more than I do, I suppose I could see the appeal.

I'd be okay with Maxey. I don't like his stat line in college, but he claims that he was asked to play off the ball, but that he is actually a PG. Considering that he is playing at Kentucky, I suppose that's plausible. He is only just adequate in size for a combo guard, but he plays bigger than he is. He can finish in traffic. He competes at both ends. He should be a solid pro. He has to add something to be anything more than a rotation guy though. He isn't good enough at anything meaningful to look like anything more.

Bolmaro is interesting, but he can't shoot. He has solid mobility for his size, but he isn't a good athlete. He plays hard. That's always good. I suppose you could do worse, but he is severely limited as a playmaker by his inability to shoot. You don't have to chase him over screens. That's going to limit his ability to create, even if you give him screens to work with.

I don't like Bane. He is too small to hide at the four and he is way to slow to cover wings. He'll get cleaned up by every screen. He looks like a less-talented version of Michael Redd. He just looks so stiff and awkward in isolations that I don't think he can cover anyone in the NBA. He moves like Toppen. That's not a compliment. That strength is of limited value if he can't stay in front of anybody.

Anthony is precisely the type of prospect I would try to avoid. You can make all sorts of excuses for his performance at UNC, but at this point, he's just holding onto his high school hype. He is a one-and-done freshman that is the age of a college junior. He is a year older than Kira Lewis.

I like Lewis. That speed is a legitimate weapon. He can shoot. He is really smooth at finishing even at full speed, but he isn't good in traffic and his lack of physicality hurts him. He seemed rather aloof in the interview of him that I saw. That's a bit concerning. I just love that he is so young, so accomplished, and has grown so rapidly, even during the season you could see his improvement. I just think that bodes well for his future.

Maledon is kind of meh. He isn't particularly athletic and he isn't skilled enough to overcome that lack of athleticism. I just don't see an avenue for him to become anything of value. He can facilitate with the pick and roll, so I guess that is something.

I haven't looked at Jones.

I'd rank them...

Lewis
Maxey
Hampton (just based on upside)

I kind of don't care after that. There has to be something more appealing available at 15.

I really do want a playmaker or two out of this draft. This draft is stacked with PGs. I'd try to get a couple and let them fight for minutes. There are some other interesting guys. I like Mannion and Flynn. Both guys have the ability to orchestrate an offense. Mannion has more upside. I really like his game. I guess it depends on whether you think he will be able to shoot and defend, but he is a floor general. He can make the reads. He understands spacing. I read somewhere that he isn't a worker. That's a concern. I just like watching him play though.

I'd try to get a pick or two from Boston. They can't use their picks without dumping some guaranteed contracts. They are already into the luxury tax for next year and they have too many contracts. They don't want to use all three of those picks. They might not want to use any. I'd try to facilitate and get some more talent at the PG position.

I don't like Green. He doesn't have the game. He has the physical profile, but that's about it. If he is two inches shorter with two inches less of wingspan, I think he is a four-year college guy that hopes to get a summer league invite. What makes him more appealing than Pietrus or Abdul-Wahad? If he is a better shooter than those two... Francisco Garcia? That's fine. He will be able to defend. I'd rather not use our pick on that though. I'd really prefer to see anther year at Arizona from him before I was forced to make a decision on him.


I ageee with most of this analysis.

I think the big takeaway with Terry is that I can buy him developing enough and growing into a CJ McCollum/ Brynn Forbes kind of role. Not a facilitator? He can play off ball. Becomes one? Great. If it’s one thing Orlando lacks its playmakers that can actually shoot the ball. Unlike the other prospects, he actually has a real skill and is young enough that I can at least buy the potential. Even off the bench he can fill a much needed spot for Orlando. I like Lewis a lot as well. I can see him being great value at 15 being a poor mans Fox. Those two are probably the most intriguing to me outside of somehow landing Killian Hayes.

Bane is probably the most confusing prospect to me. He could be sneaky good spurs-esque guy, or be a relegated to the bench. Maybe it’s all about opportunity for him. I’d probably avoid Maxey for the reasons you’ve stated as well as the fact that I dislike anyone that signs with Klutch (petty I know). Hampton is also a wildcard... who knows what he could be. He strikes me as the kind of AG/ MCW player that we all hope hits another level every season and we just never see it happen. Anthony is a no-go for me. He’s like the less skillful overhyped version of Terry that showed a lot less in college. The size doesn’t translate if he isn’t shooting well. I feel the same way about Green. Would he even be in the lottery if he played in college another year? It’s hard to tell. He looks like the SG/SF version of AG... not necessarily a good thing.

Mannion, Jones, and Riller are possibly the most underrated prospects value wise compared to where they are projected. If WeHam do the “4-D Chess” thing and take a big or a wing, taking one of those guys in the second round wouldn’t be the worst scenario. I don’t know enough about Flynn or Maledon to make a judgement.

Boston might be a good trade target. There are a few guys that could help fill out the roster.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1629 » by Xatticus » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:05 am

Jingles2 wrote:I'm thinking Minnesota wouldn't mind moving the number one for a player or package of players that could help them sooner. How much would Orlando value the first pick though? Would something like this even be considered by Orlando or is this an overpay?

Orlando out: Gordon, Iwundo, rights to Chuma Okeke, and the 15th pick

Orlando in: number 1 pick, James Johnson, Jared Vanderbilt, and Jake Layman


Our front office would have to be enamored with Edwards. We aren't taking Wiseman. Ball seems like a reach as well.

I wouldn't even consider this. I'm not giving up 16 years of team control from our last two first-round picks plus Gordon to take a crack at a guy that looks like a bust waiting to happen. I can't imagine why their board wouldn't be in favor of this. They get to have their cake and eat it too. They get better and younger. I can see why Minnesota wants off of that pick. They aren't taking Wiseman and Ball seems like a poor fit alongside Russell. Edwards seems to be the consensus number one that nobody is all that enthused with drafting. There is a reason that everyone with a high pick pops into our board to inquire about moving down and getting Gordon in return. The top of this draft just isn't very appealing.

I'd try the Knicks board. They are probably pretty desperate.
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Post#1630 » by MasterGMer » Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:12 am

There are reports saying that GSW wants to trade down and pick Devin Vassell, and NYK is interested with their pick.

Should we trade up for Devin?
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Post#1631 » by The Effect » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:07 am

MasterGMer wrote:There are reports saying that GSW wants to trade down and pick Devin Vassell, and NYK is interested with their pick.

Should we trade up for Devin?

I can't stress this enough

**** NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The only thing worse than drafting vassell at 15 is trading up to get him

He's going to be a career role player and nothing more. He's basically Trevor ariza 2.0 with less ability to create
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1632 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:45 am

MagicMatic wrote:
Xatticus wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:I’m interested to know how people rank these guards in our range based on BPA and Orlando’s “need” in skill sets.

Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Desmond Bane
Cole Anthony
Kira Lewis Jr
RJ Hampton
Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones

To me, all of these options make sense as selections, some more than others. I believe most of these players will be available to Orlando if they choose not to move up. Knowing our FO, I’d guess that they choose a guy that isn’t even on this list.

A pick and roll playmaker, that can also shoot, would be ideal. Obviously I think Killian Hayes would be the best choice for those qualities. If Orlando fails to move up, then hopefully they can find that kind of player here on this list.


I'd love to see another year from Terry. He was so underwhelming physically and he hasn't demonstrated much outside of his ability to shoot. Shooting, in general, is really overrated. Perhaps he develops into a facilitator, but he isn't that right now. You are gambling on his ability to develop into something more.

I don't like Hampton. He is athletic and put up big numbers in high school, but he looks like a pretty terrible finisher and a poor shooter on offense. He just looks so raw to me. He struggled in Australia. He looks like MCW to me. If you like his offense more than I do, I suppose I could see the appeal.

I'd be okay with Maxey. I don't like his stat line in college, but he claims that he was asked to play off the ball, but that he is actually a PG. Considering that he is playing at Kentucky, I suppose that's plausible. He is only just adequate in size for a combo guard, but he plays bigger than he is. He can finish in traffic. He competes at both ends. He should be a solid pro. He has to add something to be anything more than a rotation guy though. He isn't good enough at anything meaningful to look like anything more.

Bolmaro is interesting, but he can't shoot. He has solid mobility for his size, but he isn't a good athlete. He plays hard. That's always good. I suppose you could do worse, but he is severely limited as a playmaker by his inability to shoot. You don't have to chase him over screens. That's going to limit his ability to create, even if you give him screens to work with.

I don't like Bane. He is too small to hide at the four and he is way to slow to cover wings. He'll get cleaned up by every screen. He looks like a less-talented version of Michael Redd. He just looks so stiff and awkward in isolations that I don't think he can cover anyone in the NBA. He moves like Toppen. That's not a compliment. That strength is of limited value if he can't stay in front of anybody.

Anthony is precisely the type of prospect I would try to avoid. You can make all sorts of excuses for his performance at UNC, but at this point, he's just holding onto his high school hype. He is a one-and-done freshman that is the age of a college junior. He is a year older than Kira Lewis.

I like Lewis. That speed is a legitimate weapon. He can shoot. He is really smooth at finishing even at full speed, but he isn't good in traffic and his lack of physicality hurts him. He seemed rather aloof in the interview of him that I saw. That's a bit concerning. I just love that he is so young, so accomplished, and has grown so rapidly, even during the season you could see his improvement. I just think that bodes well for his future.

Maledon is kind of meh. He isn't particularly athletic and he isn't skilled enough to overcome that lack of athleticism. I just don't see an avenue for him to become anything of value. He can facilitate with the pick and roll, so I guess that is something.

I haven't looked at Jones.

I'd rank them...

Lewis
Maxey
Hampton (just based on upside)

I kind of don't care after that. There has to be something more appealing available at 15.

I really do want a playmaker or two out of this draft. This draft is stacked with PGs. I'd try to get a couple and let them fight for minutes. There are some other interesting guys. I like Mannion and Flynn. Both guys have the ability to orchestrate an offense. Mannion has more upside. I really like his game. I guess it depends on whether you think he will be able to shoot and defend, but he is a floor general. He can make the reads. He understands spacing. I read somewhere that he isn't a worker. That's a concern. I just like watching him play though.

I'd try to get a pick or two from Boston. They can't use their picks without dumping some guaranteed contracts. They are already into the luxury tax for next year and they have too many contracts. They don't want to use all three of those picks. They might not want to use any. I'd try to facilitate and get some more talent at the PG position.

I don't like Green. He doesn't have the game. He has the physical profile, but that's about it. If he is two inches shorter with two inches less of wingspan, I think he is a four-year college guy that hopes to get a summer league invite. What makes him more appealing than Pietrus or Abdul-Wahad? If he is a better shooter than those two... Francisco Garcia? That's fine. He will be able to defend. I'd rather not use our pick on that though. I'd really prefer to see anther year at Arizona from him before I was forced to make a decision on him.


I ageee with most of this analysis.

I think the big takeaway with Terry is that I can buy him developing enough and growing into a CJ McCollum/ Brynn Forbes kind of role. Not a facilitator? He can play off ball. Becomes one? Great. If it’s one thing Orlando lacks its playmakers that can actually shoot the ball. Unlike the other prospects, he actually has a real skill and is young enough that I can at least buy the potential. Even off the bench he can fill a much needed spot for Orlando. I like Lewis a lot as well. I can see him being great value at 15 being a poor mans Fox. Those two are probably the most intriguing to me outside of somehow landing Killian Hayes.

Bane is probably the most confusing prospect to me. He could be sneaky good spurs-esque guy, or be a relegated to the bench. Maybe it’s all about opportunity for him. I’d probably avoid Maxey for the reasons you’ve stated as well as the fact that I dislike anyone that signs with Klutch (petty I know). Hampton is also a wildcard... who knows what he could be. He strikes me as the kind of AG/ MCW player that we all hope hits another level every season and we just never see it happen. Anthony is a no-go for me. He’s like the less skillful overhyped version of Terry that showed a lot less in college. The size doesn’t translate if he isn’t shooting well. I feel the same way about Green. Would he even be in the lottery if he played in college another year? It’s hard to tell. He looks like the SG/SF version of AG... not necessarily a good thing.

Mannion, Jones, and Riller are possibly the most underrated prospects value wise compared to where they are projected. If WeHam do the “4-D Chess” thing and take a big or a wing, taking one of those guys in the second round wouldn’t be the worst scenario. I don’t know enough about Flynn or Maledon to make a judgement.

Boston might be a good trade target. There are a few guys that could help fill out the roster.

YES!!!! lol.... thought the same thing.... but for me... it was a positive thing. Hahahah

I think he would be a great backcourt mate with fultz for the future. From the beginning... i see a great 3nD option that has the potential to grow into much more. Really like the kids attitude.... and I feel like another year in college would make a difference on many peoples outlook on him.

I would be happy with him at 15.... but the thing that i would love to see happen if all the talk for AG to GS is a thing.... Deni Avdija would be ideal for our team... even as quickly as next year. love the winning mentality.... and his offensive capability (shooting and playmaking) while still having the ability average to above average defense.... and great size.

Avdija + Green + "the best scoring pg in the second round that possibly falls because of size issues" would be a pretty good success in my book. lmao
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Post#1633 » by VFX » Mon Oct 12, 2020 4:09 am

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I'd love to see another year from Terry. He was so underwhelming physically and he hasn't demonstrated much outside of his ability to shoot. Shooting, in general, is really overrated. Perhaps he develops into a facilitator, but he isn't that right now. You are gambling on his ability to develop into something more.

I don't like Hampton. He is athletic and put up big numbers in high school, but he looks like a pretty terrible finisher and a poor shooter on offense. He just looks so raw to me. He struggled in Australia. He looks like MCW to me. If you like his offense more than I do, I suppose I could see the appeal.

I'd be okay with Maxey. I don't like his stat line in college, but he claims that he was asked to play off the ball, but that he is actually a PG. Considering that he is playing at Kentucky, I suppose that's plausible. He is only just adequate in size for a combo guard, but he plays bigger than he is. He can finish in traffic. He competes at both ends. He should be a solid pro. He has to add something to be anything more than a rotation guy though. He isn't good enough at anything meaningful to look like anything more.

Bolmaro is interesting, but he can't shoot. He has solid mobility for his size, but he isn't a good athlete. He plays hard. That's always good. I suppose you could do worse, but he is severely limited as a playmaker by his inability to shoot. You don't have to chase him over screens. That's going to limit his ability to create, even if you give him screens to work with.

I don't like Bane. He is too small to hide at the four and he is way to slow to cover wings. He'll get cleaned up by every screen. He looks like a less-talented version of Michael Redd. He just looks so stiff and awkward in isolations that I don't think he can cover anyone in the NBA. He moves like Toppen. That's not a compliment. That strength is of limited value if he can't stay in front of anybody.

Anthony is precisely the type of prospect I would try to avoid. You can make all sorts of excuses for his performance at UNC, but at this point, he's just holding onto his high school hype. He is a one-and-done freshman that is the age of a college junior. He is a year older than Kira Lewis.

I like Lewis. That speed is a legitimate weapon. He can shoot. He is really smooth at finishing even at full speed, but he isn't good in traffic and his lack of physicality hurts him. He seemed rather aloof in the interview of him that I saw. That's a bit concerning. I just love that he is so young, so accomplished, and has grown so rapidly, even during the season you could see his improvement. I just think that bodes well for his future.

Maledon is kind of meh. He isn't particularly athletic and he isn't skilled enough to overcome that lack of athleticism. I just don't see an avenue for him to become anything of value. He can facilitate with the pick and roll, so I guess that is something.

I haven't looked at Jones.

I'd rank them...

Lewis
Maxey
Hampton (just based on upside)

I kind of don't care after that. There has to be something more appealing available at 15.

I really do want a playmaker or two out of this draft. This draft is stacked with PGs. I'd try to get a couple and let them fight for minutes. There are some other interesting guys. I like Mannion and Flynn. Both guys have the ability to orchestrate an offense. Mannion has more upside. I really like his game. I guess it depends on whether you think he will be able to shoot and defend, but he is a floor general. He can make the reads. He understands spacing. I read somewhere that he isn't a worker. That's a concern. I just like watching him play though.

I'd try to get a pick or two from Boston. They can't use their picks without dumping some guaranteed contracts. They are already into the luxury tax for next year and they have too many contracts. They don't want to use all three of those picks. They might not want to use any. I'd try to facilitate and get some more talent at the PG position.

I don't like Green. He doesn't have the game. He has the physical profile, but that's about it. If he is two inches shorter with two inches less of wingspan, I think he is a four-year college guy that hopes to get a summer league invite. What makes him more appealing than Pietrus or Abdul-Wahad? If he is a better shooter than those two... Francisco Garcia? That's fine. He will be able to defend. I'd rather not use our pick on that though. I'd really prefer to see anther year at Arizona from him before I was forced to make a decision on him.


I ageee with most of this analysis.

I think the big takeaway with Terry is that I can buy him developing enough and growing into a CJ McCollum/ Brynn Forbes kind of role. Not a facilitator? He can play off ball. Becomes one? Great. If it’s one thing Orlando lacks its playmakers that can actually shoot the ball. Unlike the other prospects, he actually has a real skill and is young enough that I can at least buy the potential. Even off the bench he can fill a much needed spot for Orlando. I like Lewis a lot as well. I can see him being great value at 15 being a poor mans Fox. Those two are probably the most intriguing to me outside of somehow landing Killian Hayes.

Bane is probably the most confusing prospect to me. He could be sneaky good spurs-esque guy, or be a relegated to the bench. Maybe it’s all about opportunity for him. I’d probably avoid Maxey for the reasons you’ve stated as well as the fact that I dislike anyone that signs with Klutch (petty I know). Hampton is also a wildcard... who knows what he could be. He strikes me as the kind of AG/ MCW player that we all hope hits another level every season and we just never see it happen. Anthony is a no-go for me. He’s like the less skillful overhyped version of Terry that showed a lot less in college. The size doesn’t translate if he isn’t shooting well. I feel the same way about Green. Would he even be in the lottery if he played in college another year? It’s hard to tell. He looks like the SG/SF version of AG... not necessarily a good thing.

Mannion, Jones, and Riller are possibly the most underrated prospects value wise compared to where they are projected. If WeHam do the “4-D Chess” thing and take a big or a wing, taking one of those guys in the second round wouldn’t be the worst scenario. I don’t know enough about Flynn or Maledon to make a judgement.

Boston might be a good trade target. There are a few guys that could help fill out the roster.

YES!!!! lol.... thought the same thing.... but for me... it was a positive thing. Hahahah

I think he would be a great backcourt mate with fultz for the future. From the beginning... i see a great 3nD option that has the potential to grow into much more. Really like the kids attitude.... and I feel like another year in college would make a difference on many peoples outlook on him.

I would be happy with him at 15.... but the thing that i would love to see happen if all the talk for AG to GS is a thing.... Deni Avdija would be ideal for our team... even as quickly as next year. love the winning mentality.... and his offensive capability (shooting and playmaking) while still having the ability average to above average defense.... and great size.

Avdija + Green + "the best scoring pg in the second round that possibly falls because of size issues" would be a pretty good success in my book. lmao


Yeah, I think I’m just jaded by watching wings that lack the ability to create or shoot the ball.
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Post#1634 » by KillMonger » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:09 am

so Nov. 18th for the draft and free agency in December....Then the season starts in January? If those tentative dates hold then that's a quick turnaround
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Post#1635 » by jezzerinho » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:33 am

As far as pure PGs go, Dotson interests me a lot.
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Post#1636 » by Tarheel » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:45 am

KillMonger wrote:so Nov. 18th for the draft and free agency in December....Then the season starts in January? If those tentative dates hold then that's a quick turnaround


Hollinger mentioned on a podcast the other day that he thinks the league will try hard to stick to MLK day for the start of next season.

I wonder when the transaction window opens for trades etc - I feel there will be a lot going on this year.
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Post#1637 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:08 pm

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MasterGMer wrote:There are reports saying that GSW wants to trade down and pick Devin Vassell, and NYK is interested with their pick.

Should we trade up for Devin?

I can't stress this enough

**** NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The only thing worse than drafting vassell at 15 is trading up to get him

He's going to be a career role player and nothing more. He's basically Trevor ariza 2.0 with less ability to create

Vassell might be the safest pick in the draft and nothing about him screams room for growth.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#1638 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:37 pm

Hi guys, what are your impressions of MCW?
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Post#1639 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:16 pm

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hi guys, what are your impressions of MCW?

Matthew Dellavedova type player nothing more nothing less. 3rd Guard who only see's minutes when there are multiple injuries
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#1640 » by zaymon » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:30 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:I’m interested to know how people rank these guards in our range based on BPA and Orlando’s “need” in skill sets.

Tyrese Maxey
Tyrell Terry
Desmond Bane
Cole Anthony
Kira Lewis Jr
RJ Hampton
Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones

To me, all of these options make sense as selections, some more than others. I believe most of these players will be available to Orlando if they choose not to move up. Knowing our FO, I’d guess that they choose a guy that isn’t even on this list.

A pick and roll playmaker, that can also shoot, would be ideal. Obviously I think Killian Hayes would be the best choice for those qualities. If Orlando fails to move up, then hopefully they can find that kind of player here on this list.


I'd love to see another year from Terry. He was so underwhelming physically and he hasn't demonstrated much outside of his ability to shoot. Shooting, in general, is really overrated. Perhaps he develops into a facilitator, but he isn't that right now. You are gambling on his ability to develop into something more.

I don't like Hampton. He is athletic and put up big numbers in high school, but he looks like a pretty terrible finisher and a poor shooter on offense. He just looks so raw to me. He struggled in Australia. He looks like MCW to me. If you like his offense more than I do, I suppose I could see the appeal.

I'd be okay with Maxey. I don't like his stat line in college, but he claims that he was asked to play off the ball, but that he is actually a PG. Considering that he is playing at Kentucky, I suppose that's plausible. He is only just adequate in size for a combo guard, but he plays bigger than he is. He can finish in traffic. He competes at both ends. He should be a solid pro. He has to add something to be anything more than a rotation guy though. He isn't good enough at anything meaningful to look like anything more.

Bolmaro is interesting, but he can't shoot. He has solid mobility for his size, but he isn't a good athlete. He plays hard. That's always good. I suppose you could do worse, but he is severely limited as a playmaker by his inability to shoot. You don't have to chase him over screens. That's going to limit his ability to create, even if you give him screens to work with.

I don't like Bane. He is too small to hide at the four and he is way to slow to cover wings. He'll get cleaned up by every screen. He looks like a less-talented version of Michael Redd. He just looks so stiff and awkward in isolations that I don't think he can cover anyone in the NBA. He moves like Toppen. That's not a compliment. That strength is of limited value if he can't stay in front of anybody.

Anthony is precisely the type of prospect I would try to avoid. You can make all sorts of excuses for his performance at UNC, but at this point, he's just holding onto his high school hype. He is a one-and-done freshman that is the age of a college junior. He is a year older than Kira Lewis.

I like Lewis. That speed is a legitimate weapon. He can shoot. He is really smooth at finishing even at full speed, but he isn't good in traffic and his lack of physicality hurts him. He seemed rather aloof in the interview of him that I saw. That's a bit concerning. I just love that he is so young, so accomplished, and has grown so rapidly, even during the season you could see his improvement. I just think that bodes well for his future.

Maledon is kind of meh. He isn't particularly athletic and he isn't skilled enough to overcome that lack of athleticism. I just don't see an avenue for him to become anything of value. He can facilitate with the pick and roll, so I guess that is something.

I haven't looked at Jones.

I'd rank them...

Lewis
Maxey
Hampton (just based on upside)

I kind of don't care after that. There has to be something more appealing available at 15.

I really do want a playmaker or two out of this draft. This draft is stacked with PGs. I'd try to get a couple and let them fight for minutes. There are some other interesting guys. I like Mannion and Flynn. Both guys have the ability to orchestrate an offense. Mannion has more upside. I really like his game. I guess it depends on whether you think he will be able to shoot and defend, but he is a floor general. He can make the reads. He understands spacing. I read somewhere that he isn't a worker. That's a concern. I just like watching him play though.

I'd try to get a pick or two from Boston. They can't use their picks without dumping some guaranteed contracts. They are already into the luxury tax for next year and they have too many contracts. They don't want to use all three of those picks. They might not want to use any. I'd try to facilitate and get some more talent at the PG position.

I don't like Green. He doesn't have the game. He has the physical profile, but that's about it. If he is two inches shorter with two inches less of wingspan, I think he is a four-year college guy that hopes to get a summer league invite. What makes him more appealing than Pietrus or Abdul-Wahad? If he is a better shooter than those two... Francisco Garcia? That's fine. He will be able to defend. I'd rather not use our pick on that though. I'd really prefer to see anther year at Arizona from him before I was forced to make a decision on him.


I agree with most of your analysis Xatticus but not all.

My favourite prospect among listed is Desmond Bane. Maybe his archetype is not the most valueable, but i think he is the most likely one to play his role on high enough level.
Defensively he was mostly average- slightly below average, but he was TCU first offensive option and he has many atributes which are extremely important in nba right now. 1. Smart team defender 2. Strong frame 3. Was elite iso defender on low attempts this year. His weaknesses are somewhat correctable. You can work on lateral quickness. He has similar questions on defensive side to Grant Williams and Grant improved his foot speed enough. For me Bane is one of the only wings in this years draft which are smart and truly versatile (2-4, maybe even 2-5)

Terry will fight an uphill battle. There was not one player of his archetype represented among top 4 teams. Only one who is close in regard to frame is Walker and he was massively exploited by Heat while being two times of a offensive player. Terry doesnt have handle of Walker and McCollum and his passing is also average for his height. I project him to be Seth Curry like role player if his shot really translate.

I agree with your Hampton evaluation. He has higher ceiling than MCW due to his athletecism but i think its not likely he will reach it. MCW is also far better defender and passer.

Maxey, Jones and Cole are stronger than Terry but still they are unlikely to be starters on title contenders barring some unusual development curves. Not great shooters, not great passers. I dont see where the value will come from except being top tier pull up shooters, and even then they are not super valueable (Sexton, Rozier territory ? )

Lewis is interesting prospect but has his limitations. He has some lead initiator tools, but the bar is set very high. If he doesnt clear it he is in the same tier as Maxey, Jones and Cole or even lower due to his frame. He could be a solid gamble next to Fultz, like Augustine +, but i think he would also be a weak link defensively.

Bolmaro has many intriguing traits. Big, great 1 on 1 defender and team defender, creative passer. I would put his ceiling above all other options, but his shot and free throw % doesnt make me confident he will reach it. Similar to Hampton he is most likely developing into some version of MCW. More skilled than Hampton but also less athletic.

Maledon is very overlooked prospect. He has nice length (6'4 with 6'9 wingspan). He has one of the better looking shots in the class, and is best passer on the list (maybe outside Jones). He could be the best fit next to Fultz outside Hayes. He doesnt have lead ball handler mentality, but his supporting skill package plus his length and age make him best ceiling to floor compromise in my eyes.

I would rank them
1. Maledon, Bane, Lewis
2. Bolmaro, Maxey, Hampton, Cole
3. Terry, Jones
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !

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