Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[tiderulz]

Green or Hardy much more compelling.

Green would be first choice. They have been showcasing him a bit lately. Numbers have been greatly improved.

Green / THJ for WCJ / Harris works but that’s probably an overpay for DAL

I think that's very fair, maybe even tipped towards us. Not sure I love it. We still need a PG and now have a pile of SGs ahead of Jett.

Would be fine if other moves follow, IMO.

thats my thought, we still lack a PG. I can kinda get behind a Simons/Suggs back court as they would both be kinda combo guards and Simons a better passer than people think, but my #1 choice would be Murray and #2 would be Jones (giving very little)

[tooler]

So for those of us rolling in...what's the spice...

Murray rumors?
Dallas rumors?

Anything corroborated? or Official or we just at "sources"?

Man it's going to be a long 24 hours. You'd better strap in.

Not for the excitement, but for waiting patiently at the lack of news or even rumors.

[Skybox]

Green / THJ for WCJ / Harris works but that’s probably an overpay for DAL

I think that's very fair, maybe even tipped towards us. Not sure I love it. We still need a PG and now have a pile of SGs ahead of Jett.

Would be fine if other moves follow, IMO.

thats my thought, we still lack a PG. I can kinda get behind a Simons/Suggs back court as they would both be kinda combo guards and Simons a better passer than people think, but my #1 choice would be Murray and #2 would be Jones (giving very little)

Agreed. Simons is still my #1 and I have no doubt he can play "enough" PG (which is a lot more PG than Suggs can presently play) for this team. I don't get the sense he's moving.

I definitely like Murray because of the defensive element - which seems to be a requirement (I'm basing that on Jett's banishment from a team with no shooting). I'd give up a lot for either of those two. He would absolutely make for a fearsome point of attack defense, especially if we don't lose Black in the trade...that's beyond an elite trio defensively (with Suggs).

Third, I'd go with Brogdon...who's just as good as either of them, but older and has that injury history. He'd also come cheaper.

I'd be ok with Tyus, but it's really not that exciting. He's a good offensive fit but is he really going to lead this team very much farther?..and his deal won't be cheap either. His defense and size are lacking. While he's shooting around 40% from 3, the volume and overall scoring is still pretty mediocre. It's like having a Gary Harris who can VERY efficiently run point. Good %'s but limited impact.

[OnlyFranz22]

Mavs defense would get better with WCJ/Harris.

They have enough scoring with Kyrie/Luka, their defense is atrocious.

[Skybox]

Mavs defense would get better with WCJ/Harris.

They have enough scoring with Kyrie/Luka, their defense is atrocious.

I like those two for DAL, just don't love much of what they have to give back.

*Actually, I honestly really like WCJ's fit on a lot of other teams...much more than this one.

[Skybox]

I do think it'd be suicidal to trade either Cole or Jett to Atlanta. You can't trade a scorer or shooter to a division rival. They'll make our lives hell 4 times a season. I'd rather put someone like Goga in there if they don't plan to pay to re-sign him. Great player but he's not going to drop 8 threes on your head in a sleepy game in December.

IF we're scared of Cole Anthony and a guy in the G-League, ORL doesn't deserve a franchise.

the only one that scares me in that way is Suggs...I'd hate to face him in a MIA jersey

[Residual-Heat]

Hardy, Green, and THjr are not what i would want in return for WCJ if we even trade him

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Bill Simons trade value episode is worth a listen

quality podcast for sure and listed a few names below I thought were interesting.

Black was listed just outside top 75. probably 80's

Upside Gang
74- Tyler Herro
73 - Austin Reaves
71 - Cason Wallace
69- Jalen Suggs - Top 5 gives a ****, workhorse crazy asset etc etc
68- Anfernee Simons
60- Jaime Jaquez Jr
58- Dejounte Murray

If you tell Woj rofl
52- Scottie Barnes
51- Trae Young

Worth more to us
50 - Rudy Gobert
48- Aaron Gordon
47 - Derrick White
43- OG Anuoby
41- Desmond Bane
39- Lebron James - Aging, who would trade for him, he's stuck where he is passive-aggressive, and LeBron hurts more then he helps.

Incredibly touchable untouchables
35- Darius Garland - Mitchell likely leaving so who knows but goodness he can . Orlando needs to jump on this and NOW. Paolo Franz Garland Suggs there's your 4 and figure the rest out later.

too young too cheap too good stop calling
32 Mikal Bridges- Nets cash in on picks and what you can get, retool quickly and work it out in FA.
30 Franz Wagner

Only if you made me do it
19 - DeAron Fox
17- Kawhi Leonard

Untouchable
14- Donovan Mitchel
13- Jalen Brunson
10- Devin Booker
9- Tyrese Haliburton
8- Paolo Banchero
7- Ant Edwards
6- Jason Tatum
5- SGA
4- Victor Wembanyama
3- Luka Doncic
2- Gianis
1- Jokic

[eyriq]

Bill Simons trade value episode is worth a listen

quality podcast for sure and listed a few names below I thought were interesting.

Black was listed just outside top 75. probably 80's

Upside Gang
74- Tyler Herro
73 - Austin Reaves
71 - Cason Wallace
69- Jalen Suggs - Top 5 gives a ****, workhorse crazy asset etc etc
68- Anfernee Simons
60- Jaime Jaquez Jr
58- Dejounte Murray

If you tell Woj rofl
52- Scottie Barnes
51- Trae Young

Worth more to us
50 - Rudy Gobert
48- Aaron Gordon
47 - Derrick White
43- OG Anuoby
41- Desmond Bane
39- Lebron James - Aging, who would trade for him, he's stuck where he is passive-aggressive, and LeBron hurts more then he helps.

Incredibly touchable untouchables
35- Darius Garland - Mitchell likely leaving so who knows but goodness he can . Orlando needs to jump on this and NOW. Paolo Franz Garland Suggs there's your 4 and figure the rest out later.

too young too cheap too good stop calling
32 Mikal Bridges- Nets cash in on picks and what you can get, retool quickly and work it out in FA.
30 Franz Wagner

Only if you made me do it
19 - DeAron Fox
17- Kawhi Leonard

Untouchable
14- Donovan Mitchel
13- Jalen Brunson
10- Devin Booker
9- Tyrese Haliburton
8- Paolo Banchero
7- Ant Edwards
6- Jason Tatum
5- SGA
4- Victor Wembanyama
3- Luka Doncic
2- Gianis
1- Jokic

Love the Magic respect.

Paolo
Franz
Suggs
Black

TRUTH

[Knightro]

How many guys on Simmons' list from 1-29 would you trade Franz for straight up?

My initial reaction looking at the list is... 15-16 guys?

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value

[JoshuaPotter]

So for those of us rolling in...what's the spice...

Murray rumors?
Dallas rumors?

Anything corroborated? or Official or we just at "sources"?

Man it's going to be a long 24 hours. You'd better strap in.

Not for the excitement, but for waiting patiently at the lack of news or even rumors.

I hear the Kia Center is on lock down and Chris Paul will be here any moment....

Edit : This post was for the old timers....

edit 2: even older timers will be mentioning tim duncan is coming

Edit edit 2: even older older older timers will believe a rumor that Shaq is reconsidering.

[Black and Blue]

Bill Simons trade value episode is worth a listen

quality podcast for sure and listed a few names below I thought were interesting.

Black was listed just outside top 75. probably 80's

Upside Gang
74- Tyler Herro
73 - Austin Reaves
71 - Cason Wallace
69- Jalen Suggs - Top 5 gives a ****, workhorse crazy asset etc etc
68- Anfernee Simons
60- Jaime Jaquez Jr
58- Dejounte Murray

If you tell Woj rofl
52- Scottie Barnes
51- Trae Young

Worth more to us
50 - Rudy Gobert
48- Aaron Gordon
47 - Derrick White
43- OG Anuoby
41- Desmond Bane
39- Lebron James - Aging, who would trade for him, he's stuck where he is passive-aggressive, and LeBron hurts more then he helps.

Incredibly touchable untouchables
35- Darius Garland - Mitchell likely leaving so who knows but goodness he can . Orlando needs to jump on this and NOW. Paolo Franz Garland Suggs there's your 4 and figure the rest out later.

too young too cheap too good stop calling
32 Mikal Bridges- Nets cash in on picks and what you can get, retool quickly and work it out in FA.
30 Franz Wagner

Only if you made me do it
19 - DeAron Fox
17- Kawhi Leonard

Untouchable
14- Donovan Mitchel
13- Jalen Brunson
10- Devin Booker
9- Tyrese Haliburton
8- Paolo Banchero
7- Ant Edwards
6- Jason Tatum
5- SGA
4- Victor Wembanyama
3- Luka Doncic
2- Gianis
1- Jokic

Love the Magic respect.

Paolo
Franz
Suggs
Black

TRUTH

Bill Simmons notoriously is a jerk about other teams that threaten his Boston teams...but thankfully the Magic have been so bad for so long that they fall into that Cleveland Browns "adorable to root for" place for him. That said, I like his show and love the Magic so I'm not complaining.

I do think the league is starting to take notice that for us to have a potential superstar in Paolo, a highly efficient star in Franz, a bulldog defensive swiss army knife in Suggs, and one of the more solid benches in the league...that our starting point guard and center play must be so rough that it somehow keeps those positive things from truly flourishing. Here's hoping there is some plan in mind that upgrades those sooner rather than later.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

quality podcast for sure and listed a few names below I thought were interesting.

Black was listed just outside top 75. probably 80's

Upside Gang
74- Tyler Herro
73 - Austin Reaves
71 - Cason Wallace
69- Jalen Suggs - Top 5 gives a ****, workhorse crazy asset etc etc
68- Anfernee Simons
60- Jaime Jaquez Jr
58- Dejounte Murray

If you tell Woj rofl
52- Scottie Barnes
51- Trae Young

Worth more to us
50 - Rudy Gobert
48- Aaron Gordon
47 - Derrick White
43- OG Anuoby
41- Desmond Bane
39- Lebron James - Aging, who would trade for him, he's stuck where he is passive-aggressive, and LeBron hurts more then he helps.

Incredibly touchable untouchables
35- Darius Garland - Mitchell likely leaving so who knows but goodness he can . Orlando needs to jump on this and NOW. Paolo Franz Garland Suggs there's your 4 and figure the rest out later.

too young too cheap too good stop calling
32 Mikal Bridges- Nets cash in on picks and what you can get, retool quickly and work it out in FA.
30 Franz Wagner

Only if you made me do it
19 - DeAron Fox
17- Kawhi Leonard

Untouchable
14- Donovan Mitchel
13- Jalen Brunson
10- Devin Booker
9- Tyrese Haliburton
8- Paolo Banchero
7- Ant Edwards
6- Jason Tatum
5- SGA
4- Victor Wembanyama
3- Luka Doncic
2- Gianis
1- Jokic

Love the Magic respect.

Paolo
Franz
Suggs
Black

TRUTH

Bill Simmons notoriously is a jerk about other teams that threaten his Boston teams...but thankfully the Magic have been so bad for so long that they fall into that Cleveland Browns "adorable to root for" place for him. That said, I like his show and love the Magic so I'm not complaining.

I do think the league is starting to take notice that for us to have a potential superstar in Paolo, a highly efficient star in Franz, a bulldog defensive swiss army knife in Suggs, and one of the more solid benches in the league...that our starting point guard and center play must be so rough that it somehow keeps those positive things from truly flourishing. Here's hoping there is some plan in mind that upgrades those sooner rather than later.

which is what his point about Garland was. Go get that Guard and then find the cheap FA backup wings/C's, stop waiting for the most obvious decision because guess what it's not going to line up any better than where we are now.

Murray, Garland, Sexton go get one of them for crying out loud when you have assets + cap space and young exciting talent that hasn't been found out

[Skin]

So who's airplane are we tracking today?

[eyriq]

Path A: organic build. Rookies earn PT while role players are added on short-term deals. Priority of on giving lotto talent time to grow into key roles

Path B: accelerate build. Consolidate around Franz and Paolo by trading for players to fill key roles.

Path A has the highest long term value. Suggs, Black, and Jett all have all star potential

Path B has the lowest risk, we can protectively buy pieces that fit around Franchero.

I pick path A

No disrespect intended of course, but "Suggs, Black, and Jett all have all star potential" feels like EXTREMELY wishful thinking.

More likely they're all just good role players.

Also the Magic can retain all three of them and still take Path B where they add higher end talent without sacrificing any of them.

I'm still reeling from this

[Black and Blue]

How many guys on Simmons' list from 1-29 would you trade Franz for straight up?

My initial reaction looking at the list is... 15-16 guys?

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value

That's a bit of a difficult question to answer. Many of the players on the list 1-29 are much older, so they wouldn't make sense on the Magic's timeline, or they have bigger reputations that ensnare the attention of defenses and referees (for getting calls).

Franz is good, and unlike some of these players he has the chance to get even better with time, but the Magic and we as fans are banking on that continued evolution. He hasn't proven anything in the playoffs, he isn't on the banana boat recruiting other stars to come here, he adds very little in the way of marketing dollars, and he isn't the main focus of the opposing team like some players on here.

We love him, but I think he has a few more years before he can be talked about in the same sentences as players who have proven a lot more for a lot longer.

[JoshuaPotter]

Path A: organic build. Rookies earn PT while role players are added on short-term deals. Priority of on giving lotto talent time to grow into key roles

Path B: accelerate build. Consolidate around Franz and Paolo by trading for players to fill key roles.

Path A has the highest long term value. Suggs, Black, and Jett all have all star potential

Path B has the lowest risk, we can protectively buy pieces that fit around Franchero.

I pick path A

No disrespect intended of course, but "Suggs, Black, and Jett all have all star potential" feels like EXTREMELY wishful thinking.

More likely they're all just good role players.

Also the Magic can retain all three of them and still take Path B where they add higher end talent without sacrificing any of them.

I'm still reeling from this

I know right? Is our being a fan a joke to him?

Although I am on record as being a Jett bully.

Jett is worthless, until it comes trade deadline. Then the narrative changes to "The son of Travis Deiner is currently on a G-League assignment, under a gag order by Adam Silver to give the rest of the NBA a chance to come up with a Deiner vaccine or risk an explosion in population."

[Black and Blue]

So who's airplane are we tracking today?

Not Taylor Swift: https://www.businessinsider.com/taylor-swift-threatens-sue-college-student-who-tracks-private-jet-2024-2

[eyriq]

No disrespect intended of course, but "Suggs, Black, and Jett all have all star potential" feels like EXTREMELY wishful thinking.

More likely they're all just good role players.

Also the Magic can retain all three of them and still take Path B where they add higher end talent without sacrificing any of them.

I'm still reeling from this

I know right? Is our being a fan a joke to him?

Although I am on record as being a Jett bully.

Jett is worthless, until it comes trade deadline. Then the narrative changes to "The son of Travis Deiner is currently on a G-League assignment, under a gag order by Adam Silver to give the rest of the NBA a chance to come up with a Deiner vaccine or risk an explosion in population."

Shoot, I'm guilty of Jett bullying too haha, but on the off chance the dude is a balla the son of Travis Deiner protocol must be followed!

[YosemiteSam]

Hypothetical: If we could keep Paolo, Wagner, Suggs and one of Black of Jett - would you trade 2 unprotected 1sts (including 2024) and the other player from 2023 along with other assets? At all? And if so, what is the minimum player you would target as an example?

I would, and for me it would take someone like Mikal Bridges or LaMelo Ball. A borderline all star who can score/shoot, play D, and is good now not potentially but also not declining. Garland falls just below the cut for me, as does Trae.