Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[Blue_and_Whte]

No he doesn’t. You’re either a blatant liar or watching a different team. He jogs up court against everyone and takes multiple plays off. You just refuse to acknowledge that I’m 100% right.

When exactly did he not try to beat his man back on defense?

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How about anytime during any game over the course of the season. Take your Bamba gear off so you can see better

[Blue_and_Whte]

Vucevic was criticised for years about his effort, particularly on the defensive end. He’s looking good now though, at 28.

Of course we’d prefer it if Bamba had the aggressive motor of Bagley.

One thing to keep in mind is how much more engaged Bamba plays when things are clicking. There have been several games (including the season opener), where the lineups he’s been playing with have been clicking on both ends. His effort levels skyrocket then. Unfortunately for him, he’s mostly paired with a terrible unreliable supporting cast and he doesn’t seem to have the mentality to overcome that himself.

he was contributing way before this season though. Despite being “unathletic” vooch gets up and down the court and involved in plays. Bamba slowly jogs up the court despite having a “faster sprint than Westbrook”. When was the last time you saw Mo sprinting down court?

Vooch isn’t a guy who flys all over the court by any stretch but he’s involved in the game and contributing to say the least

I’m not saying Bamba is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and I’m not criticising Vuc. I’m just saying that we’ve seen several years where Vucevic would skip a defensive rotation or not bother even trying to contest shots. Most of those, you could see from his body language, were emotional responses (frustration at others missing their assignments or not doing enough to keep opposing players out of the paint). This season, though, he’s in front of everyone and hustling on nearly every play.

I’m just saying, Bamba is young, he’s intelligent (so more likely to get in his own head), but he’s not beyond correcting. He’s engaged when things are clicking, but he just plays with a lineup that’s not talented enough to make things click all the time.

It’s certainly something to keep an eye on as he grows, but it’s not worth drawing conclusions over at this point.

i think a lot of players do that over the course of a game but They’re still involved. Guys have different levels of stamina but when you’re 20 , 7’0 athletic, with a 7’10 wing span playing 18 mins a game you can exert yourself a little more.

[basketballRob]

When exactly did he not try to beat his man back on defense?

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How about anytime during any game over the course of the season. Take your Bamba gear off so you can see better

Okay you can't name one specific time.

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[Blue_and_Whte]

When exactly did he not try to beat his man back on defense?

Sent from my

Delete.

How about anytime during any game over the course of the season. Take your Bamba gear off so you can see better

Okay you can't name one specific time.

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No genius because I don’t have the minutia of every game memorized.

ANYTIME DURING ANY GAME OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON should suffice in giving you the examples you seek. Or you can ask anyone in here.

[basketballRob]

How about anytime during any game over the course of the season. Take your Bamba gear off so you can see better

Okay you can't name one specific time.

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[basketballRob]

Okay you can't name one specific time.

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[OrlandO]

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So your dumb ass can't find one.

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You lost the argument when you called yourself a dumbass...

[basketballRob]

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So your dumb ass can't find one.

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You lost the argument when you called yourself a dumbass...

Okay then maybe you can name a specific time that Bamba didn't try to beat his man back on defense?

[basketballRob]

I think if Bamba was a good looking white kid this wouldn't even be brought up.

[rcklsscognition]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25731162/10-things-like-including-silly-all-star-rules-nba

4. Searching for Aaron Gordon

Two seasons ago, Gordon appeared to find his niche as a playmaking power forward -- a screen-setter who could pass and dribble, Draymond Green-style, in open space. We have not seen much of that player since.

Nikola Vucevic is Orlando's hub. Jonathan Isaac starts at power forward, and needs pick-and-roll reps. Gordon doesn't get much run on the other end of pick-and-rolls; he uses only seven ball screens per 100 possessions, about where he was in 2016. He has made incremental progress as a passer and ball-handler, but not nearly enough to work as a No. 1 or 2 option.

That leaves Gordon sort of floating around the offense instead of participating in it. He's not a good enough shooter to thrive in a spot-up role. He scrounges points in transition, and randomly ducks in for post-ups. He's not really good at that, either; the Magic have scored just 0.7 points per possession whenever Gordon shoots out the post or passes to a teammate who shoots right away, per Second Spectrum -- 114th out of 121 players who have recorded at least 20 post-ups.

Gordon is talented enough to stumble into 15 points per game this way. He's a solid rebounder, and a stopper on defense across almost every position if he's dialed in.

There is a better player in here, somewhere. The Magic have shrouded it by shoehorning Gordon into too many wing minutes. But Gordon hasn't developed any one offensive skill to the point that you are certain about what his role should be.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25731162/10-things-like-including-silly-all-star-rules-nba

4. Searching for Aaron Gordon

Two seasons ago, Gordon appeared to find his niche as a playmaking power forward -- a screen-setter who could pass and dribble, Draymond Green-style, in open space. We have not seen much of that player since.

Nikola Vucevic is Orlando's hub. Jonathan Isaac starts at power forward, and needs pick-and-roll reps. Gordon doesn't get much run on the other end of pick-and-rolls; he uses only seven ball screens per 100 possessions, about where he was in 2016. He has made incremental progress as a passer and ball-handler, but not nearly enough to work as a No. 1 or 2 option.

That leaves Gordon sort of floating around the offense instead of participating in it. He's not a good enough shooter to thrive in a spot-up role. He scrounges points in transition, and randomly ducks in for post-ups. He's not really good at that, either; the Magic have scored just 0.7 points per possession whenever Gordon shoots out the post or passes to a teammate who shoots right away, per Second Spectrum -- 114th out of 121 players who have recorded at least 20 post-ups.

Gordon is talented enough to stumble into 15 points per game this way. He's a solid rebounder, and a stopper on defense across almost every position if he's dialed in.

There is a better player in here, somewhere. The Magic have shrouded it by shoehorning Gordon into too many wing minutes. But Gordon hasn't developed any one offensive skill to the point that you are certain about what his role should be.

we're doing a disservice to both AG and JI by trying to get them to play together when they both clearly operate as PF's. Shocking that other people see this but our FO is so sure it's going to work out

[MoMM]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25731162/10-things-like-including-silly-all-star-rules-nba

4. Searching for Aaron Gordon

Two seasons ago, Gordon appeared to find his niche as a playmaking power forward -- a screen-setter who could pass and dribble, Draymond Green-style, in open space. We have not seen much of that player since.

Nikola Vucevic is Orlando's hub. Jonathan Isaac starts at power forward, and needs pick-and-roll reps. Gordon doesn't get much run on the other end of pick-and-rolls; he uses only seven ball screens per 100 possessions, about where he was in 2016. He has made incremental progress as a passer and ball-handler, but not nearly enough to work as a No. 1 or 2 option.

That leaves Gordon sort of floating around the offense instead of participating in it. He's not a good enough shooter to thrive in a spot-up role. He scrounges points in transition, and randomly ducks in for post-ups. He's not really good at that, either; the Magic have scored just 0.7 points per possession whenever Gordon shoots out the post or passes to a teammate who shoots right away, per Second Spectrum -- 114th out of 121 players who have recorded at least 20 post-ups.

Gordon is talented enough to stumble into 15 points per game this way. He's a solid rebounder, and a stopper on defense across almost every position if he's dialed in.

There is a better player in here, somewhere. The Magic have shrouded it by shoehorning Gordon into too many wing minutes. But Gordon hasn't developed any one offensive skill to the point that you are certain about what his role should be.

we're doing a disservice to both AG and JI by trying to get them to play together when they both clearly operate as PF's. Shocking that other people see this but our FO is so sure it's going to work out

Calm down, the next try will be Vuc+Bamba...

[rcklsscognition]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25731162/10-things-like-including-silly-all-star-rules-nba

4. Searching for Aaron Gordon

Two seasons ago, Gordon appeared to find his niche as a playmaking power forward -- a screen-setter who could pass and dribble, Draymond Green-style, in open space. We have not seen much of that player since.

Nikola Vucevic is Orlando's hub. Jonathan Isaac starts at power forward, and needs pick-and-roll reps. Gordon doesn't get much run on the other end of pick-and-rolls; he uses only seven ball screens per 100 possessions, about where he was in 2016. He has made incremental progress as a passer and ball-handler, but not nearly enough to work as a No. 1 or 2 option.

That leaves Gordon sort of floating around the offense instead of participating in it. He's not a good enough shooter to thrive in a spot-up role. He scrounges points in transition, and randomly ducks in for post-ups. He's not really good at that, either; the Magic have scored just 0.7 points per possession whenever Gordon shoots out the post or passes to a teammate who shoots right away, per Second Spectrum -- 114th out of 121 players who have recorded at least 20 post-ups.

Gordon is talented enough to stumble into 15 points per game this way. He's a solid rebounder, and a stopper on defense across almost every position if he's dialed in.

There is a better player in here, somewhere. The Magic have shrouded it by shoehorning Gordon into too many wing minutes. But Gordon hasn't developed any one offensive skill to the point that you are certain about what his role should be.

we're doing a disservice to both AG and JI by trying to get them to play together when they both clearly operate as PF's. Shocking that other people see this but our FO is so sure it's going to work out

The thing that annoys me the most is these new guys blew so much smoke about how they were going to "rebuild" our organization from the inside out. New analytics, chefs, trainers, shooting coaches, etc. Yet they cannot read or apply what are publicly available statistics that show this isn't working.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

Havent heard a peep from WeHam.

I hope they are enjoying the martinis and Yacht parties they are having wherever they are while the Magic ship sinks once again

[Blue_and_Whte]

I think if Bamba was a good looking white kid this wouldn't even be brought up.

Yes... that’s it. It’s about race.

Standard liberal response: ”Outsmarted and outclassed?...call someone a racist”. I win another one.

[Blue_and_Whte]

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[MagicFan4Lyfe]

This is what happens when organization has lost its fan support. They start cannibalizing each other.... this isn't going to end well.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

While keyboard warriors having pissing contests attacking each other, aint going to change the fact that the Orlando Magic suck, their front office sucks and their ownership sucks and Alex Martins sucks.

[NSB_Magic]

So your dumb ass can't find one.

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You lost the argument when you called yourself a dumbass...

I mean wtf is this?

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You're a dumbass!

Did you have a stroke red Forman? Ya havin’ an anger stroke? Can’t use the typewriter thingy on the computah’ box.

This is pointless. And so is throwing out the race card. Bamba is a 20 year old kid. A kid. Playing against grown men. It’s not just physical, it’s mental. He’s cerebral and I’m sure he’ll get better on all aspects.

The construction of this team is clearly flawed. And I understand the frustration across the board. Pun intended.

Also don’t understand the silence from weham. What direction are we going? What’s the time frame? We don’t need to know all the private workings of back office but I think we as supports and financiers of the organization do deserve some answers.

I don’t think JI and AG can coexist. And I think Aaron still has all star potential and still so much room to grow. JI is cramping that. We need a shooting wing who can space the floor. Dario Saric for example.

But I doubt that weham dares to trade JI, they still appear infatuated.

We have some good pieces but it’s about time we start putting it together. And that means making moves.

[Def Swami]

Searching For *any Magic draft pick since 2014* is basically the story of the entire last 5 years.

The Magic have taken every step to stymie the growth or success of each of their young players. They play them out of position. They play them without any playmakers or point guards. They play them behind middling starters who consistently lead the team to the lottery. They can't even properly evaluate their young players because they've never put them in positions to actually figure out what they're capable of in their ideal setting and roles. Between "B-I-G", the Magic young core is mash of young players who are great athletes, but lack true basketball skills, and that all technically thrive in similar roles. They simply don't fit together. And the Magic never made the game easier on them by finding skill guys to surround them with. Instead they take back seats to Evan Fournier and DJ Augustin and Nik Vucevic (fine). And it will amount to a 30 win season with mid-lottery pick that I really don't have faith in the front office doing anything special with.

It's not a coincidence that players like Tobias Harris and Victor Oladipo left and thrived. The Magic have really sucked at player development during this run. Aaron Gordon is better off on another team. One that will consistently play him at the 4/5 and one with a legitimate point guard and shooters.

Rinse and repeat.