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Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1641 » by basketballRob » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:23 am

Furinkazan wrote:OK
Past few days Ive been reading about this huuuge Celtics need for AG :D
so
how about?
AG for a part of Hayward TPE
followed by
Aminu and Birch for
Langford
Nesmith
R.Williams
?
I'd rather do Fournier. Who would've guarded Butler last night if we didn't have AG?

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1642 » by Skybox » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:23 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Boston, Utah, Denver, Portland, Philly, and New Orleans seem like “all-in” teams that would trade for win now moves.


Hadn't thought of UTA but with those two huge deals, they've got to be all-in. NOLA is interesting, they dumped off Jrue but extended Adams, so who knows where (they think) they're at...I don't think NOLA or Utah has any use for AG, but any team could benefit from Fournier's shooting and/or expiring deal.


Blazers could use any help they can get, their rotation now has Carmelo, Trent, Rodney Hood and Kanter as rotation off bench. Jones Jr. is starter. wtf? :lol:


That’s a team with a ton of good players, but only one 2-way guy (Covington)
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1643 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:50 pm

Skybox wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Hadn't thought of UTA but with those two huge deals, they've got to be all-in. NOLA is interesting, they dumped off Jrue but extended Adams, so who knows where (they think) they're at...I don't think NOLA or Utah has any use for AG, but any team could benefit from Fournier's shooting and/or expiring deal.


Blazers could use any help they can get, their rotation now has Carmelo, Trent, Rodney Hood and Kanter as rotation off bench. Jones Jr. is starter. wtf? :lol:


That’s a team with a ton of good players, but only one 2-way guy (Covington)


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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: 

Post#1644 » by Furinkazan » Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:13 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Furinkazan wrote:OK
Past few days Ive been reading about this huuuge Celtics need for AG :D
so
how about?
AG for a part of Hayward TPE
followed by
Aminu and Birch for
Langford
Nesmith
R.Williams
?
I'd rather do Fournier. Who would've guarded Butler last night if we didn't have AG?

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hey dont kill me just yet
Im just bored and coming up with ideas... might not be pretty but still better than 16th and Ariza Portland offered
I dont really care about few meaningless wins and AG who will be gone anyway as JI got new deal,This team is still 8th-11th spot with or without AG
and
getting 3 young guys is still a reach cause no team would trade 3 young guys at least a lil bit talented ones ..... all we hear in rumors is awlays one young guy at best..or a pick always + vet or expiring
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1645 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:20 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Skybox wrote:We can't have Vuc, Evan, AG, Isaac, Fultz, Ross, Aminu - all making 12-25m (and some not contributing). My hope is now that Isaac is signed, aggressively shop Evan and AG for SG prospects that might be buried on someone's bench or otherwise underutilized (NAW, Hart, Trent, Barton...) to spread the floor and let the chips fall this season. If Fultz and Cole erupt and bring us up a few seeds-Awesome. If not, hit the lottery anyway...I can't see how we keep Evan by re-signing, so let's try to find a diamond elsewhere, or at least some floor-spreaders because we're now invested heavily in Isaac,Vuc, and Fultz.

who are the contenders that could use our vets NOW?
Would BOS consider something for Nesmith +
Wouldn't AG be exactly what BRK needs?
Couldn't Evan drop right into Klay's spot and shoot 40% for a season?
(not sure of the return on each but I'm trying to see possibilities based on timelines/needs)
Or, consolidate...If Trent is ready, could CJ be had for AG and Fournier? wouldn't that make them a more complete team?
I wouldn't be scared to take a big contract if we were moving two or more (Aminu...) to get exactly what we're missing.


Boston, Utah, Denver, Portland, Philly, and New Orleans seem like “all-in” teams that would trade for win now moves.

I might also throw in Bucks, Clippers, Mavs, Blazers.
You can never have too much shooting.

I also tend to agree a deal with the Warriors makes sense the most, but we cannot be sure what's their plan for the season. They might not have the tools to make the playoffs in the West and they know it. Which means they are going to retool for next season when Klay would be back. Will they try trading the bad contracts such as the Wiggins' one or add some of the younger players they have is still a mystery. GSW might as well do nothing and have that lottery pick in 2021 in order to refresh their roster and have a final run at the title with Steph and Klay plus young talent.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1646 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:57 pm

random though: unless the FO wants to pay tax to keep Fournier, he's gone; we all know this. I could really see him do well in Tor.

FVV/Fournier/OG/Pascal/Baynes?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1647 » by Skybox » Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:57 pm

So Capologists...now that Isaac and Fultz are locked up, what are our possible directions?

-AG looks great and I think he could be great, but I'd still investigate moving him ASAP for prospects. I don't think we should necessarily make a trade that guarantees we suck, but I wouldn't be afraid of a trade that could make us take a step back OR a big step forward. Obviously, the big picture is the return of Isaac
-Ditto Evan...even if our young lead guards drive Evan into the position we need (elite shooter), I just don't know that we can pay him next year and I hate to lose a very good player for nothing. Maybe I'm overstating his financial impact - I'm assuming he will not be amenable to taking a big pay cut for a more limited, but crucial offensive role. Perhaps, I should be looking at who else to dump to clear more $$$ room instead of our best shooter.
-No reason to do anything with Bamba until we see how he does. Still a very valuable skill set if things go as they should.
-I really like TRoss and would only include him grudgingly in a package for a star
-I think Aminu could be useful when healthy, particularly if we trade AG...otherwise, salary filler. I'd rather see Okeke struggle and learn than have Aminu place-hold.
-I'm more comfortable with Vuc than ever, I just want someone better than him to play with him. Trading him for anyone could lead to an at least temporary collapse of our offense. Maybe by the end of the year, Bamba changes that perception for me.

What will our cap situation look like with our new contracts? What financial realities face us (particularly with Evan a UFA)? I don't think we are a FA destination but cap space is always good for trades....what's next?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1648 » by orlando_joe » Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:15 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:random though: unless the FO wants to pay tax to keep Fournier, he's gone; we all know this. I could really see him do well in Tor.

FVV/Fournier/OG/Pascal/Baynes?



or can just trade aminu and ross..thats 23 mill
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1649 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:46 pm

orlando_joe wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:random though: unless the FO wants to pay tax to keep Fournier, he's gone; we all know this. I could really see him do well in Tor.

FVV/Fournier/OG/Pascal/Baynes?



or can just trade aminu and ross..thats 23 mill

True. I always forget about Chief. Would love for him to decline his player option next year, lol.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1650 » by j-ragg » Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:03 am

Zach Lowe put out his annual League Pass rankings. Thought we were a shoe in for bottom two but we did better than I would’ve guessed.

27. Orlando Magic (22.5)

The algorithm has lost interest.

The 427 of us who regularly watch the Magic can close our eyes and visualize it all: Evan Fournier rounding a Nikola Vucevic screen on the left wing, and rising for a midranger; slow pace, methodical half-court offense, pristine transition defense (important, but, yawn); the Magic never getting to the foul line but also never fouling, so at least games are crisp; a 4-1 loss in the first round.

I will miss Jonathan Isaac being in four places at once on defense, blanketing suckers at every position. Markelle Fultz's jumper isn't as much of a curiosity anymore. (Fultz going from 57% to 73% at the line last season went under the radar.) Mo Bamba, hoped-for cornerstone, is out indefinitely. Doesn't it feel as if Aaron Gordon will fulfill his basketball destiny somewhere else -- like he's killing time in Orlando now?

Chuma Okeke and Cole Anthony should liven up the proceedings. Michael Carter-Williams roared back into relevancy as a marauding off-ball guard and irritant on defense. (Seriously: He ended up bleeding a lot.) Vucevic clowns people with some of the league's most sophisticated pivot work. He's going to bust out a Sikma one day. (Look it up.)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1651 » by Bensational » Fri Dec 25, 2020 11:16 am

I'm gonna fool myself again and hope for good things.

AG turns a corner.
Fultz finds an answer to his missing long range shot.
Cole explodes as an efficient volume scorer.
Okeke becomes a great all rounder.
Bamba comes back with a chip on his shoulder.
Vuc has another all-star season.
Fournier plays an off-ball role and excels, and then traded by the deadline for an asset.
MCW stays awesome as the heart and fire of the team.

I feel many of these can be achievable on either a good or a bad team, it just depends how many.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1652 » by basketballRob » Fri Dec 25, 2020 1:18 pm

When Fournier leaves next season, I think Fultz will move over to SG. It'll be nice to have two ball handlers in the lineup.


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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1653 » by basketballRob » Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:54 pm

I expect Aminu to be ready soon.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1654 » by pepe1991 » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:38 pm

every time Zion misses layup, refs call non existing foul. I havn't seen most pathetic attemp of creating star off somebody since Blake Griffin.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1655 » by Bakomagic » Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:55 pm

pepe1991 wrote:every time Zion misses layup, refs call non existing foul. I havn't seen most pathetic attemp of creating star off somebody since Blake Griffin.



Naw he’s just to big and athletic fo his opponents. His opponents aren’t even complaining when those fouls are being called.

Blake is a massive flopper, Zion just attacks the rim and usually finishes and when he doesn’t he grabs the rebound and goes back up, no flopping or complaining.

You have a weird bias against him.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1656 » by Skin » Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:43 pm

Bensational wrote:I'm gonna fool myself again and hope for good things.

AG turns a corner.
Fultz finds an answer to his missing long range shot.
Cole explodes as an efficient volume scorer.
Okeke becomes a great all rounder.
Bamba comes back with a chip on his shoulder.
Vuc has another all-star season.
Fournier plays an off-ball role and excels, and then traded by the deadline for an asset.
MCW stays awesome as the heart and fire of the team.

I feel many of these can be achievable on either a good or a bad team, it just depends how many.

Always fair game to fool yourself in the beginning. I'm willing to fool myself too. There's enough to beat the bad teams and get an occasional win against a good team. We're just not doing anything past round 1 and that's the pathetic part of it all.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1657 » by pepe1991 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:02 am

Bakomagic wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:every time Zion misses layup, refs call non existing foul. I havn't seen most pathetic attemp of creating star off somebody since Blake Griffin.



Naw he’s just to big and athletic fo his opponents. His opponents aren’t even complaining when those fouls are being called.

Blake is a massive flopper, Zion just attacks the rim and usually finishes and when he doesn’t he grabs the rebound and goes back up, no flopping or complaining.

You have a weird bias against him.


At least 2 times vs Heat, refs waited if he will make layup, and called foul after he missed.
I didn't say he is flopping, but that refs/NBA pushes him as next big thing, just like they used to push Blake.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1658 » by basketballRob » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:33 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Bakomagic wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:every time Zion misses layup, refs call non existing foul. I havn't seen most pathetic attemp of creating star off somebody since Blake Griffin.



Naw he’s just to big and athletic fo his opponents. His opponents aren’t even complaining when those fouls are being called.

Blake is a massive flopper, Zion just attacks the rim and usually finishes and when he doesn’t he grabs the rebound and goes back up, no flopping or complaining.

You have a weird bias against him.


At least 2 times vs Heat, refs waited if he will make layup, and called foul after he missed.
I didn't say he is flopping, but that refs/NBA pushes him as next big thing, just like they used to push Blake.
He's kind of like Shaq, they really don't know how to call it. He probably gets fouled every time, but it doesn't really impact him.

I'm looking forward to seeing what he looks like when he's in shape. SVG has a habit of pushing his players minute wise and if Zion doesn't get injured, he'll get in shape. I remember Otis Smith telling him to cut down on the minutes at the beginning of his Magic career.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1659 » by drsd » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:25 am

Nyce_1 wrote:random though: unless the FO wants to pay tax to keep Fournier, he's gone; we all know this. I could really see him do well in Tor.


Orlando must "replace" Fournier next year. Either by resigning him or getting a FA to replace him.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#1660 » by basketballRob » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:45 am

drsd wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:random though: unless the FO wants to pay tax to keep Fournier, he's gone; we all know this. I could really see him do well in Tor.


Orlando must "replace" Fournier next year. Either by resigning him or getting a FA to replace him.
They could just move Cole into the starting lineup. Fultz guards twos better than ones anyway.

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