Tankapolooza: Draft Lottery Odds/Watch thread

[MAGICian619]

Nearly all of the lottery options I have seen on here literally punish non-tanking bad teams, which is silly. I would say the easiest way to fix the lottery is to have the worst team not be able to win the lottery. Like they auto-pick fourth.

Orrrr just do what my fantasy league does: have a consolation "playoff" where non playoff teams battle it out for the #1 pick!

Do you really believe players want to play for a chance for a team to draft their replacement?

I realize that would never work but it sounds good if you can take players emotions/feelings out of the equation.

Just want this tank to be over.

[pepe1991]

I guess you meant 76ers not suns

As long as lal lose their pick i ll be happy.
I don't care about our tank. This draft is overrated. Many good players, none great, definitely not worth tanking

Give me Isaac with the 6th pick and I ll still be happy

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There is a chance that isaac will be nothing more than streach PF a-la Ilyasova/Mirotić at best Lewis.

Dude can't beat his grandmother off dribble or drive left. Every time when he goes left he stops, turns and shoots fadeaway.

He has been beating smaller guys off the dribble all year. The dude is like 6'9-6'10 and handles the ball like a guard. Ive seen games from him where he beats his man from the 3 and end up with the layup, and 1, or jump shot. The guy has a complete game. I suggest you watch a couple more or his games.

Let's do some video footage analysis ,shell we?
Against NC state [url]

Watch on YouTube

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1:05 , didn't even try to post up defender, turns and shoots fadeaway
1:30 despite his man being away from him needs time to elevate to dunk (small hands, at least that's what DX say), gets blocked (got foul, something that in nba nobody will call )
1:56 good positions, still settles for hard mid range J . Makes well contested shot. Reality- shots you don't want him to take.
2:07 , same story as 1:30, can't finish around rim, gets blocked, again gets bailed out by ref
2:26 attacks center in most awkward left drive ever, gets lucky and one with some hip shot, poor mechanics where he almost blocked his own shot with right hand, instad of using right hand as shield from defender
In both 3:08 and 3:18 he can't finish around rim without refs blowing a whistle
3:35 for 5th time in a same game blocked but bailed out by refs

And these are his highlights . Zero driving skills on set defense, questionable finishing around rim,not even thinking about posting up. His offense are mid range shots . Questionable nba range ( 34,8% for 3 at college level ).

Draft express goes in ditails about what i said. Medicore ballhandler, average passer, streaky (bad) shooter, no phycality , gets pushed around too easy, gives away post ups for harder pullups,struggles to box and to fight through screens.

Not saying that he will be bust, but not somebody that i would like on Magic team. Kind a reminds me of Ingram. Can't really shoot that well in same time too skinny and weak to do anything else in NBA. At least for first few years.

In general i hate drafting players without clear position and at least 1 nba skills so not liking him is pretty natural to me
i didn't like Derrick Williams, i was always shocked how stupid his defenders were, given how slow his release was. Ofc in NBA dudes were all over him , contesting his shots, and he busted out. That's why I'm not sold on Ball.

[yoyojw17]

There is a chance that isaac will be nothing more than streach PF a-la Ilyasova/Mirotić at best Lewis.

Dude can't beat his grandmother off dribble or drive left. Every time when he goes left he stops, turns and shoots fadeaway.

He has been beating smaller guys off the dribble all year. The dude is like 6'9-6'10 and handles the ball like a guard. Ive seen games from him where he beats his man from the 3 and end up with the layup, and 1, or jump shot. The guy has a complete game. I suggest you watch a couple more or his games.

Let's do some video footage analysis ,shell we?
Against NC state [url]

Watch on YouTube

[/url]

1:05 , didn't even try to post up defender, turns and shoots fadeaway
1:30 despite his man being away from him needs time to elevate to dunk (small hands, at least that's what DX say), gets blocked (got foul, something that in nba nobody will call )
1:56 good positions, still settles for hard mid range J . Makes well contested shot. Reality- shots you don't want him to take.
2:07 , same story as 1:30, can't finish around rim, gets blocked, again gets bailed out by ref
2:26 attacks center in most awkward left drive ever, gets lucky and one with some hip shot, poor mechanics where he almost blocked his own shot with right hand, instad of using right hand as shield from defender
In both 3:08 and 3:18 he can't finish around rim without refs blowing a whistle
3:35 for 5th time in a same game blocked but bailed out by refs

And these are his highlights . Zero driving skills on set defense, questionable finishing around rim,not even thinking about posting up. His offense are mid range shots . Questionable nba range ( 34,8% for 3 at college level ).

Draft express goes in ditails about what i said. Medicore ballhandler, average passer, streaky (bad) shooter, no phycality , gets pushed around too easy, gives away post ups for harder pullups,struggles to box and to fight through screens.

Not saying that he will be bust, but not somebody that i would like on Magic team. Kind a reminds me of Ingram. Can't really shoot that well in same time too skinny and weak to do anything else in NBA. At least for first few years.

In general i hate drafting players without clear position and at least 1 nba skills so not liking him is pretty natural to me
i didn't like Derrick Williams, i was always shocked how stupid his defenders were, given how slow his release was. Ofc in NBA dudes were all over him , contesting his shots, and he busted out. That's why I'm not sold on Ball.

1:05 , didn't even try to post up defender, turns and shoots fadeaway
haha... when you're 6'10"+... and you possess a jumper.... annnnnnnd someone smaller/slower is defending you... a quick turn around jumper is a viable option than trying to punish someone in the post.... plus... Isaac body doesn't scream bruiser to me.

1:30 despite his man being away from him needs time to elevate to dunk (small hands, at least that's what DX say), gets blocked (got foul, something that in nba nobody will call )
yup.... you typically have to gather the basketball inorder to dunk it when someone throws the pass to your hip.

will definitely agree with you on the small hands part. lol.... when i see him he looks much smaller than he really is when his hands are in the frame. then i see a shot of him standing next to Ojo who is 7'-1" ish and i'm like.... Isaac is tall.

2:07 , same story as 1:30, can't finish around rim, gets blocked, again gets bailed out by ref
or the alley oop should have been to the basket and not sailing out of bounds so he didn't have to come down with it. Plus.... he doesn't shy away from physicality which led to being fouled... not being "bailed out".... something we need. oh and he shoots the FT well.

2:26 attacks center in most awkward left drive ever, gets lucky and one with some hip shot, poor mechanics where he almost blocked his own shot with right hand, instad of using right hand as shield from defender
In both 3:08 and 3:18 he can't finish around rim without refs blowing a whistle
Whoop whoop.... doesn't shy away from contact... gotta love it.

3:35 for 5th time in a same game blocked but bailed out by refs
once again.... oop to the rim.... but still... went to the line.



hahaha.... i guess it's how we wanna perceive it all. But the array of skills that he has at 6'11" is pretty impressive already. Though skinny.... has a knack for the ball. Has the height ... length and foot speed to defend the sf position very well. Will put on an extra 10 to 20 lb as his body continues to mature. Already has a reliable jump shot. Affects the game in many ways other than just scoring. When given a chance has shown flashes of being a capable scorer. But fits nicely into the gaps on our team. If we're picking at 5 and he is our best option.... i'm ecstatic. and to be honest with you.... after workouts... i wouldn't be surprised if he moves up in the draft.

BUT.....

lol

[pepe1991]

He has been beating smaller guys off the dribble all year. The dude is like 6'9-6'10 and handles the ball like a guard. Ive seen games from him where he beats his man from the 3 and end up with the layup, and 1, or jump shot. The guy has a complete game. I suggest you watch a couple more or his games.

Let's do some video footage analysis ,shell we?
Against NC state [url]

Watch on YouTube

[/url]

1:05 , didn't even try to post up defender, turns and shoots fadeaway
1:30 despite his man being away from him needs time to elevate to dunk (small hands, at least that's what DX say), gets blocked (got foul, something that in nba nobody will call )
1:56 good positions, still settles for hard mid range J . Makes well contested shot. Reality- shots you don't want him to take.
2:07 , same story as 1:30, can't finish around rim, gets blocked, again gets bailed out by ref
2:26 attacks center in most awkward left drive ever, gets lucky and one with some hip shot, poor mechanics where he almost blocked his own shot with right hand, instad of using right hand as shield from defender
In both 3:08 and 3:18 he can't finish around rim without refs blowing a whistle
3:35 for 5th time in a same game blocked but bailed out by refs

And these are his highlights . Zero driving skills on set defense, questionable finishing around rim,not even thinking about posting up. His offense are mid range shots . Questionable nba range ( 34,8% for 3 at college level ).

Draft express goes in ditails about what i said. Medicore ballhandler, average passer, streaky (bad) shooter, no phycality , gets pushed around too easy, gives away post ups for harder pullups,struggles to box and to fight through screens.

Not saying that he will be bust, but not somebody that i would like on Magic team. Kind a reminds me of Ingram. Can't really shoot that well in same time too skinny and weak to do anything else in NBA. At least for first few years.

In general i hate drafting players without clear position and at least 1 nba skills so not liking him is pretty natural to me
i didn't like Derrick Williams, i was always shocked how stupid his defenders were, given how slow his release was. Ofc in NBA dudes were all over him , contesting his shots, and he busted out. That's why I'm not sold on Ball.

1:05 , didn't even try to post up defender, turns and shoots fadeaway
haha... when you're 6'10"+... and you possess a jumper.... annnnnnnd someone smaller/slower is defending you... a quick turn around jumper is a viable option than trying to punish someone in the post.... plus... Isaac body doesn't scream bruiser to me.

1:30 despite his man being away from him needs time to elevate to dunk (small hands, at least that's what DX say), gets blocked (got foul, something that in nba nobody will call )
yup.... you typically have to gather the basketball inorder to dunk it when someone throws the pass to your hip.

will definitely agree with you on the small hands part. lol.... when i see him he looks much smaller than he really is when his hands are in the frame. then i see a shot of him standing next to Ojo who is 7'-1" ish and i'm like.... Isaac is tall.

2:07 , same story as 1:30, can't finish around rim, gets blocked, again gets bailed out by ref
or the alley oop should have been to the basket and not sailing out of bounds so he didn't have to come down with it. Plus.... he doesn't shy away from physicality which led to being fouled... not being "bailed out".... something we need. oh and he shoots the FT well.

2:26 attacks center in most awkward left drive ever, gets lucky and one with some hip shot, poor mechanics where he almost blocked his own shot with right hand, instad of using right hand as shield from defender
In both 3:08 and 3:18 he can't finish around rim without refs blowing a whistle
Whoop whoop.... doesn't shy away from contact... gotta love it.

3:35 for 5th time in a same game blocked but bailed out by refs
once again.... oop to the rim.... but still... went to the line.



hahaha.... i guess it's how we wanna perceive it all. But the array of skills that he has at 6'11" is pretty impressive already. Though skinny.... has a knack for the ball. Has the height ... length and foot speed to defend the sf position very well. Will put on an extra 10 to 20 lb as his body continues to mature. Already has a reliable jump shot. Affects the game in many ways other than just scoring. When given a chance has shown flashes of being a capable scorer. But fits nicely into the gaps on our team. If we're picking at 5 and he is our best option.... i'm ecstatic. and to be honest with you.... after workouts... i wouldn't be surprised if he moves up in the draft.

BUT.....

lol

I'll give you a credit, i laughed at Scary movie 2 photo

[cedric76]

Isaac will be a stud

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[IllMagic04]

Anyone else worried that Vogel is gonna go all out to beat Indiana for revenge? We cannot afford to win that game.

[Bensational]

There is a chance that isaac will be nothing more than streach PF a-la Ilyasova/Mirotić at best Lewis.

Dude can't beat his grandmother off dribble or drive left. Every time when he goes left he stops, turns and shoots fadeaway.

He has been beating smaller guys off the dribble all year. The dude is like 6'9-6'10 and handles the ball like a guard. Ive seen games from him where he beats his man from the 3 and end up with the layup, and 1, or jump shot. The guy has a complete game. I suggest you watch a couple more or his games.

Let's do some video footage analysis ,shell we?
Against NC state [url]

Watch on YouTube

[/url]

1:05 , didn't even try to post up defender, turns and shoots fadeaway
1:30 despite his man being away from him needs time to elevate to dunk (small hands, at least that's what DX say), gets blocked (got foul, something that in nba nobody will call )
1:56 good positions, still settles for hard mid range J . Makes well contested shot. Reality- shots you don't want him to take.
2:07 , same story as 1:30, can't finish around rim, gets blocked, again gets bailed out by ref
2:26 attacks center in most awkward left drive ever, gets lucky and one with some hip shot, poor mechanics where he almost blocked his own shot with right hand, instad of using right hand as shield from defender
In both 3:08 and 3:18 he can't finish around rim without refs blowing a whistle
3:35 for 5th time in a same game blocked but bailed out by refs

And these are his highlights . Zero driving skills on set defense, questionable finishing around rim,not even thinking about posting up. His offense are mid range shots . Questionable nba range ( 34,8% for 3 at college level ).

Draft express goes in ditails about what i said. Medicore ballhandler, average passer, streaky (bad) shooter, no phycality , gets pushed around too easy, gives away post ups for harder pullups,struggles to box and to fight through screens.

Not saying that he will be bust, but not somebody that i would like on Magic team. Kind a reminds me of Ingram. Can't really shoot that well in same time too skinny and weak to do anything else in NBA. At least for first few years.

In general i hate drafting players without clear position and at least 1 nba skills so not liking him is pretty natural to me
i didn't like Derrick Williams, i was always shocked how stupid his defenders were, given how slow his release was. Ofc in NBA dudes were all over him , contesting his shots, and he busted out. That's why I'm not sold on Ball.

Yeah, I see the same things pepe sees when looking at Isaac. In particular, the "handles the ball like a guard" notion.

To me, he's a potential Porzingis kind of player. A solid stretch 4 with range and good enough handles to challenge NBA 4's. And he's got the height to play that position.

He'll need 2-3 years before he's acclimated to the game though, and before we get a proper feel for how far his development can go.

[NEM]

No Jonathan Isaac. I have at least 7 players ahead of him. Idk where the KD comparison came from but it's gotta be a joke. Watch KD say Texas. He was doing BG then what he's doing by now. Isaac doesn't have handles good enough to be a 3 and he's way too thin to be a 4. He doesn't seem like he has any fire to him either. I want no part of him.

Ball
Fultz
Fox
Jackson
Tatum
Monk
Smith Jr

I'd take all of them over Isaac (in no particular order).

[pepe1991]

No Jonathan Isaac. I have at least 7 players ahead of him. Idk where the KD comparison came from but it's gotta be a joke. Watch KD say Texas. He was doing BG then what he's doing by now. Isaac doesn't have handles good enough to be a 3 and he's way too thin to be a 4. He doesn't seem like he has any fire to him either. I want no part of him.

Ball
Fultz
Fox
Jackson
Tatum
Monk
Smith Jr

I'd take all of them over Isaac (in no particular order).

If you have no muscles and you are tall you will be compared to KD

[darthmerrick]

So we're looking at anywhere from 1 to 8 (If three better record teams manage to break into the top 3). Top three lands you Jackson, Ball or Fultz. For obvious reasons you build around any of those guys and trade either Fournier or Elf. Tatum, Monk, Fox, Smith are the next tier. I'd still be happy with John at eight. I'd be ecstatic if we landed a top 5, but with this deep draft...I won't complain if we fall out of the top 5.

[Mc-o]

Anyone else worried that Vogel is gonna go all out to beat Indiana for revenge? We cannot afford to win that game.

lucky for us it wont matter because indiana cant afford to lose rt now if they want to make the playoffs and they are a better team than us by far.

[Viper1500]

Phoenix up 30 on OKC, great..


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[Viper1500]

Lakers win!


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[TBbucmagicORL]

So phx and lakers won last night.


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[yoyojw17]

Orrrr just do what my fantasy league does: have a consolation "playoff" where non playoff teams battle it out for the #1 pick!

Do you really believe players want to play for a chance for a team to draft their replacement?

I realize that would never work but it sounds good if you can take players emotions/feelings out of the equation.

Just want this tank to be over.

Like i've said before. you can't tell players to play bad. That makes no sense what so ever. You can maybe tell Payton and ag to practice their threes.... but they took fournier out the game... started meeks.... played players on a 10 day contract.... gave Zimm the opportunity to take off his sweats.

Zimm had a meh game.the 10 day contracts actually played well in their minutes.... and meeks goes ape chit in the 3rd quarter. So it is what it is..... we won. Not what most of us would have liked.. but it happened we just gotta be happy that we lost one of those meetings.

Philadelphia has lost pretty much every one of their top players for the season....they are trying to win their games.... but their best day is still subpar and it's easier to look like they are tanking. Haha.... maybe the 5th spot is the one that makes the jump we never know

I can see everybody getting pissed at the lottery when we are 4th in the loss column... edging out the philadelphia 76ers.... then the 5th place gets the 1st pick. "WHY DID WE NOT BEAT THE NETS TWICE!" hahaha just sayin

[drsd]

Celtics Clinch Best Odds For Lottery...

Boston might be the next dynasty team. Management decisions, and outright luck, wow.


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[IllMagic04]

Do you really believe players want to play for a chance for a team to draft their replacement?

I realize that would never work but it sounds good if you can take players emotions/feelings out of the equation.

Just want this tank to be over.

Like i've said before. you can't tell players to play bad. That makes no sense what so ever. You can maybe tell Payton and ag to practice their threes.... but they took fournier out the game... started meeks.... played players on a 10 day contract.... gave Zimm the opportunity to take off his sweats.

Zimm had a meh game.the 10 day contracts actually played well in their minutes.... and meeks goes ape chit in the 3rd quarter. So it is what it is..... we won. Not what most of us would have liked.. but it happened we just gotta be happy that we lost one of those meetings.

Philadelphia has lost pretty much every one of their top players for the season....they are trying to win their games.... but their best day is still subpar and it's easier to look like they are tanking. Haha.... maybe the 5th spot is the one that makes the jump we never know

I can see everybody getting pissed at the lottery when we are 4th in the loss column... edging out the philadelphia 76ers.... then the 5th place gets the 1st pick. "WHY DID WE NOT BEAT THE NETS TWICE!" hahaha just sayin

I don't disagree. Im happy with the split with the Nets. That said we didn't apply ourselves to losing that game. Meeks shouldn't even see the floor. If we don't play him thats enough to lose right there. On top of that when we put that line up out there with Zimm and the two new guys out there the Nets went on a run. What does Frank do then? Cal a time out and bring starters back in. Again Im happy with the split but we didn't apply ourselves to losing that game cause we could a done it easily.

[The Other Ankle]

I don't disagree. Im happy with the split with the Nets. That said we didn't apply ourselves to losing that game. Meeks shouldn't even see the floor. If we don't play him thats enough to lose right there. On top of that when we put that line up out there with Zimm and the two new guys out there the Nets went on a run. What does Frank do then? Cal a time out and bring starters back in. Again Im happy with the split but we didn't apply ourselves to losing that game cause we could a done it easily.

Interesting choice of words... I can hear Frank's Dad on the phone to him: "Son, you're just not applying yourself to this Tank! These games won't lose themselves, you know! Now keep those scrub line-ups out there until the game is totally out of reach, or it's back to law school for you!"

[Mauro Pedrosa]

I was so pissed when PHX beat OKC and the so called MVP, but thank God the Lakers also won.

Regarding the draft, I don't mind if we fall out of the top 5. I just want the Lakers to lose their pick

I don't want to draft a PF but anybody else is fair game. My priority would be a PG

[IllMagic04]

I was so pissed when PHX beat OKC and the so called MVP, but thank God the Lakers also won.

Regarding the draft, I don't mind if we fall out of the top 5. I just want the Lakers to lose their pick

I don't want to draft a PF but anybody else is fair game. My priority would be a PG

I want to the Lakers to fall out too but I don't think that should be our main concern. Why would you be ok falling out of the top 5? We need an elite prospect on this team. If I had a choice of getting a top 3 pick with the Lakers picking in the top 3 with us Id take that over falling out of the top 5 and the Lakers losing their pick.

If PG is priority Fox should be the target outside of the top 2. Problem is what to do with Payton at that point? Payton is putting up some solid pointless numbers as of late and that complicates things. Im all for taking the BPA but Payton and Fox are so similar. Im actually torn on this subject cause Im a big fan of Fox.