Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!

[Orl_Magic]

After last nights win against the Spurs, Orlando sits at the 8th seed with a differential that isn't negative !! (+0.4)

[EAS Law]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

[EAS Law]

As far as our jerseys—

I agree with everyone here that the colors are just weird and feel like a reach. The inspiration is oranges? Umm ok... I guess. We may as well have a uniform inspired by the beach or alligators or the “eye sore on I4” or something—all equally part of Orlando history and culture now.

We need to have the thinner shoulder straps and circular neck to save the unis. Those two features are what made our OG jerseys so good I think.

Serious talk—go speak to whoever designs UCF football Unis. Just let them handle this. So much you can do with space as the theme and Orlando can definitely claim that as much as anywhere in Central FL.

[Mc-o]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

No one is “untouchable” on our roster just depends what the return is . For example If Isaac can get the team Bradley Beal then it’s a no brainer.

[GelbeWand09]

Personally i wouldnt trade Isaac + contracts for Beal tbh. Is that ceiling much better? Than we probably have a middling offensive team + middling / bad defensive team = 1st or 2nd round exit too. We have to find a way, to upgrade our offense without giving up Isaac. You are only a contenter, even in 2020, when you are a top 10 offense & defense (better top 5). Without JI, we are at best a top 15-20 defense. Same core was bottom 5-10 in defense for years without Isaac.

[zaymon]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

I think Isaac is as close to untouchable as Tatum or Mitchell ( maybe half a tier lower). I am hard on our players but he just has something special about his game. He is even starting to make good reads and passes with the ball and his turnaround jumper looks better than AGs. I like Okeke fit with JI, he is good post up player, with above average shooting touch and great decision making. His team defense was propably the best in his draft class. If Fultz is healthy next year they could be one of the best defensive trios in the league.

[tiderulz]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

I think Isaac is as close to untouchable as Tatum or Mitchell ( maybe half a tier lower). I am hard on our players but he just has something special about his game. He is even starting to make good reads and passes with the ball and his turnaround jumper looks better than AGs. I like Okeke fit with JI, he is good post up player, with above average shooting touch and great decision making. His team defense was propably the best in his draft class. If Fultz is healthy next year they could be one of the best defensive trios in the league.

i just dont see from Isaac what you do. he isnt untouchable to me. defensive role player, a good one but thats what he is

[MagicStarwipe]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

I think Isaac is as close to untouchable as Tatum or Mitchell ( maybe half a tier lower). I am hard on our players but he just has something special about his game. He is even starting to make good reads and passes with the ball and his turnaround jumper looks better than AGs. I like Okeke fit with JI, he is good post up player, with above average shooting touch and great decision making. His team defense was propably the best in his draft class. If Fultz is healthy next year they could be one of the best defensive trios in the league.

i just dont see from Isaac what you do. he isnt untouchable to me. defensive role player, a good one but thats what he is

Defensive role player or defensive star that can also give you 13 ppg? Big difference between the two. Right now he looks like a flat out defensive star.

[tiderulz]

I think Isaac is as close to untouchable as Tatum or Mitchell ( maybe half a tier lower). I am hard on our players but he just has something special about his game. He is even starting to make good reads and passes with the ball and his turnaround jumper looks better than AGs. I like Okeke fit with JI, he is good post up player, with above average shooting touch and great decision making. His team defense was propably the best in his draft class. If Fultz is healthy next year they could be one of the best defensive trios in the league.

i just dont see from Isaac what you do. he isnt untouchable to me. defensive role player, a good one but thats what he is

Defensive role player or defensive star that can also give you 13 ppg? Big difference between the two. Right now he looks like a flat out defensive star.

you're welcome to that opinion, i just dont see it. i see more defensive role player

[GelbeWand09]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

I think Isaac is as close to untouchable as Tatum or Mitchell ( maybe half a tier lower). I am hard on our players but he just has something special about his game. He is even starting to make good reads and passes with the ball and his turnaround jumper looks better than AGs. I like Okeke fit with JI, he is good post up player, with above average shooting touch and great decision making. His team defense was propably the best in his draft class. If Fultz is healthy next year they could be one of the best defensive trios in the league.

i just dont see from Isaac what you do. he isnt untouchable to me. defensive role player, a good one but thats what he is

Is Gobert a defensive roleplayer too? Strange that Utah is a lottery team without him. Embiid was horrible vs. Toronto and still was the 2nd most impactful player in the series, because his defense was so good. Isaac is playing on there level this season on defense.
He is not your typical defender or 3&D player. He is one of 3-4 guys in the leaque, that has the ability to transform a team of middling defenders into a top 3 defense.

[tiderulz]

I think Isaac is as close to untouchable as Tatum or Mitchell ( maybe half a tier lower). I am hard on our players but he just has something special about his game. He is even starting to make good reads and passes with the ball and his turnaround jumper looks better than AGs. I like Okeke fit with JI, he is good post up player, with above average shooting touch and great decision making. His team defense was propably the best in his draft class. If Fultz is healthy next year they could be one of the best defensive trios in the league.

i just dont see from Isaac what you do. he isnt untouchable to me. defensive role player, a good one but thats what he is

Is Gobert a defensive roleplayer too? Strange that Utah is a lottery team without him. Embiid was horrible vs. Toronto and still was the 2nd most impactful player in the series, because his defense was so good. Isaac is playing on there level this season on defense.
He is not your typical defender or 3&D player. He is one of 3-4 guys in the leaque, that has the ability to transform a team of middling defenders into a top 3 defense.

yes, i believe he is.

[GelbeWand09]

i just dont see from Isaac what you do. he isnt untouchable to me. defensive role player, a good one but thats what he is

Is Gobert a defensive roleplayer too? Strange that Utah is a lottery team without him. Embiid was horrible vs. Toronto and still was the 2nd most impactful player in the series, because his defense was so good. Isaac is playing on there level this season on defense.
He is not your typical defender or 3&D player. He is one of 3-4 guys in the leaque, that has the ability to transform a team of middling defenders into a top 3 defense.

yes, i believe he is.

OK tells me enough

We should trade Isaac for Tobias, to have a real roleplayer aka player that doesnt move the needle.

On a serious note. How can't you see the impact of Gobert? He missed half a season and Utah was 10 games under .500. He came back and they won 34 of 41 and had the best defense in the leaque again. Thats not a role player.

[rcklsscognition]

If our shooting guards can actually shoot we have no real problems. You've got to have at least 2 people able to shoot each night, preferably Evan and Ross. Vuc will get his when needed, and the others eat the scraps.

[tiderulz]

Is Gobert a defensive roleplayer too? Strange that Utah is a lottery team without him. Embiid was horrible vs. Toronto and still was the 2nd most impactful player in the series, because his defense was so good. Isaac is playing on there level this season on defense.
He is not your typical defender or 3&D player. He is one of 3-4 guys in the leaque, that has the ability to transform a team of middling defenders into a top 3 defense.

yes, i believe he is.

OK tells me enough

We should trade Isaac for Tobias, to have a real roleplayer aka player that doesnt move the needle.

On a serious note. How can't you see the impact of Gobert? He missed half a season and Utah was 10 games under .500. He came back and they won 34 of 41 and had the best defense in the leaque again. Thats not a role player.

yes, because obviously, instead of everyone having their own opinions, your's seems to be worth more than mine.

[EAS Law]

i just dont see from Isaac what you do. he isnt untouchable to me. defensive role player, a good one but thats what he is

Is Gobert a defensive roleplayer too? Strange that Utah is a lottery team without him. Embiid was horrible vs. Toronto and still was the 2nd most impactful player in the series, because his defense was so good. Isaac is playing on there level this season on defense.
He is not your typical defender or 3&D player. He is one of 3-4 guys in the leaque, that has the ability to transform a team of middling defenders into a top 3 defense.

yes, i believe he is.

Very harsh take on JI. He’s been the only real bright spot on the team this season so far in my opinion.

He needs to develop offensively for sure, but marked offensive development would propel him immediately to an elite player in my opinion. I’m thinking like ball handling and shooting ability getting better, which I also think is likely.

Think about it this way; if JI was an unrestricted FA this offseason, what type of deal do you see him getting?

[GelbeWand09]

yes, i believe he is.

OK tells me enough

We should trade Isaac for Tobias, to have a real roleplayer aka player that doesnt move the needle.

On a serious note. How can't you see the impact of Gobert? He missed half a season and Utah was 10 games under .500. He came back and they won 34 of 41 and had the best defense in the leaque again. Thats not a role player.

yes, because obviously, instead of everyone having their own opinions, your's seems to be worth more than mine.

No, i don't like oneliners. Its a discussion forum. How about you try to explain why defensive players are role players, when they have the impact of stars.

[tiderulz]

Is Gobert a defensive roleplayer too? Strange that Utah is a lottery team without him. Embiid was horrible vs. Toronto and still was the 2nd most impactful player in the series, because his defense was so good. Isaac is playing on there level this season on defense.
He is not your typical defender or 3&D player. He is one of 3-4 guys in the leaque, that has the ability to transform a team of middling defenders into a top 3 defense.

yes, i believe he is.

Very harsh take on JI. He’s been the only real bright spot on the team this season so far in my opinion.

He needs to develop offensively for sure, but marked offensive development would propel him immediately to an elite player in my opinion. I’m thinking like ball handling and shooting ability getting better, which I also think is likely.

Think about it this way; if JI was an unrestricted FA this offseason, what type of deal do you see him getting?

you can be a good player but your role is a defensive role player. Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman, both HOF (or capable) defensive role players. AK47, Bruce Bowen, etc, etc

[EAS Law]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

No one is “untouchable” on our roster just depends what the return is . For example If Isaac can get the team Bradley Beal then it’s a no brainer.

I honestly don’t pay much attention to other teams, so I mean this sincerely; what exactly makes Beal so great? He’s a great three point shooter, I know, but what else? He’s not exactly known as a playmaker, he’s not exactly a defensive player at all, he isn’t an explosive athlete by NBA comparisons, he just shoots really well. Surely that can be found elsewhere.

[tiderulz]

I’m happy to see us looking like we are getting out of the slump. I was starting to lose hope on the season.

Now I hope we don’t trade away any of our core chasing an immediate band-aid.

Also, JI has to be untouchable in trade talks for us, yes? The man is a defensive beast already and he is definitely still in “project” range as far as his time in the NBA. I think he can definitely develop offensively still.

Once some of our veteran contracts come off the books, we should be poised to put together a good team. It’s a long term game fellas and ladies.

No one is “untouchable” on our roster just depends what the return is . For example If Isaac can get the team Bradley Beal then it’s a no brainer.

I honestly don’t pay much attention to other teams, so I mean this sincerely; what exactly makes Beal so great? He’s a great three point shooter, I know, but what else? He’s not exactly known as a playmaker, he’s not exactly a defensive player at all, he isn’t an explosive athlete by NBA comparisons, he just shoots really well. Surely that can be found elsewhere.

can it though? every year people looking for shooting. i mean, we are too

[EAS Law]

yes, i believe he is.

Very harsh take on JI. He’s been the only real bright spot on the team this season so far in my opinion.

He needs to develop offensively for sure, but marked offensive development would propel him immediately to an elite player in my opinion. I’m thinking like ball handling and shooting ability getting better, which I also think is likely.

Think about it this way; if JI was an unrestricted FA this offseason, what type of deal do you see him getting?

you can be a good player but your role is a defensive role player. Shawn Marion, Dennis Rodman, both HOF (or capable) defensive role players. AK47, Bruce Bowen, etc, etc

I see what you’re saying. I think it’s been misinterpreted. I think the message was taken as “he’s just a role player that plays defense” rather than “the only thing he does very well is play defense”, which I think is fair at this point.

You don’t see him developing further?