tooler wrote:pepe1991 wrote:People get way emotionally attached to players during rebuilds because they were told that those guys will bring bright future. That's why in past there were major Payton debates on almost all Magic platforms.
So what? There has been more noise generated on this stupid forum over Nikola Vucevic, Evan Fournier, and Aaron Gordon than ten Elfrid Paytons combined. There used to be constant bickering and taunting of fellow fans after every game. It's not emotional attachment to rookies, it's people on the Internet insisting that they're right.
Maybe it's because everyone has left, but it seems to me that
most people here are simply taking the rebuild as it comes, and calmly watching the ups and downs of the players. We had a few friendly taunts about the people that missed on Franz, and the occasional panic thread about Suggs (who will probably end up being the most debated player in this rebuild). But in terms of where it matters -- pleasant conversation about a local sports team -- this year's rebuild has been the best thing to happen in a decade.
There has been more noise generated on this stupid forum over Nikola Vucevic, Evan Fournier, and Aaron Gordon than ten Elfrid Paytons combined
Because those guys stayed for what ? 7,7 and 8 years on same team. Payton was polarizing as hell. Funny how all people who gave you +1 are ones who got burned on Payton shield.
Bu**s are still hurt i see.
There has been little- to no activity on forum in general. Mostly because nobody actually watches rebuilding team on regular bases. And ones who do, tend to lie to thseselfs that they enjoy it. But Magic being "road" team in half of games in own arena paint different, way more realistic picture. Almost every time we play against superstar led team, especially against big market team, in Magic home arena, there are MVP chants for that guy.
Just example of it.
this year's rebuild has been the best thing to happen in a decade
This is nothing but personal opinion. This rebuild has been
only thing that is going on. For decade. Orlando is rebuilding since 2012. occasional trip to playoffs while playing guys who are yet to prove quality, on rookie deals is best example of it.
People already get romantic about this rebuild. But they forget how romantic they were about last one.
Now they claim how this team has personality.
Forgetting how much they ( pretended i assume ) they loved Oladipo never-quit attitude. How Gordon was energy plug. How they loved to see Hez- Oladipo-Gordon- Payton at allstar game, supporting Gordon's dunk contest. How outraged they were about dumb dunk contest that most of us don't know who won last year. How people were opening threads how Payton made them love basketball again ( and billions of fanfiction how Payton is elite defender and how Magic are building elite defensive team
).
But things changed after Harris trade. Most people initially "loved " it . Than they hated it. They loved Ibaka trade. My memory serves me well enough to remember how "CONGO TOWER" and " raise of SWAT team" was a thing here.
Fans always find something to get emotinally attached to. That's keeps them there, and that's normal. But now people pretend that this rebuild is "new " and "refreshing" is thing that really insults my intelligence. This is same **** Magic have been doing for 10 years. This rebuild, like any other team's rebuild, much like all 3 failed Magic previous rebuilds will come down to a simple question: how many superstars? And we can talk to oblivion about Suggs perimeter defense.
On greter scale in this league, it doesn't matter.We can talk how Wagner has ability to become great second-third option.
On greater scale, nba conteding, it doesn't matter is Jrue Holiday or Klye Kuzma, nba championship is only possible to win with top 5 player.
We can talk how team's concept is defense.
Bucks won chapionship while hardly hitting top 10 defense, Cavs won championship with defense that didn't cut into top 15, but Lebron made all the difference in the world when it mattered.
Right now Orlando is as far from serious basketball as it was in 2012, 2013, 2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019,2020,2021. Nothing changed. Still desparate sucking in hope 19 years old will change tragjectory of poorly runned franchise. And like it's case with all poorly other organizations, basketball product on the floor is nothing but reflection of lack of knowledge, competence & structure. Kings are not 1 young Kevin Durant away from being superteam, Magic are not Anthony Davis away from being elite, Boston is living example that landing superstar still won't fix deeper issues. People think Bucks turned things around by just drafting Giannis. In reality whole team was sold in 2014 to group of 4 billionaires. Within next 2 and half years they canned old farts like Hammond and hired 33 years old John Horst to give energy & modern approach to basketball in modern era. In mean time Hammond took 5 year nap with Orlando until Gordon demanded a trade.
Orlando can win lottery in 2022 and still nothing will change until team changes people who are running team, from Alex Martins, Matt Lloyd ( in charge of drafting ALL Magic lottery picks in 10 years, total bodycount 7 lottery picks, without Suggs & Wagner and 0 allstars between them), and ofc Weltman & Hammond. GM who never passed first round of playoffs ON EAST really shouldn't have had job in last 8 years. Weltman can do his "i'm smarter than you because i never say anything" but after some time it's just tiredsome crap, like re-signing injuried players that are too busy promoting books over basketball.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon
