Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[OrlandoNed]

So uh, how about that Herro kid? 20 points with 9:13 left in the 4th. A rookie shooting the lights out in the conference finals.

Would of been nice to have our SG of the future ready to replace our balding Frenchman. Instead our rookie hasn't played high-level competitive basketball in about 18 months and brings a redundant skillset and plays a redundant position. How long are WeltHam's contracts again?

[Trillen]

So uh, how about that Herro kid? 20 points with 9:13 left in the 4th. A rookie shooting the lights out in the conference finals.

Would of been nice to have our SG of the future ready to replace our balding Frenchman. Instead our rookie hasn't played high-level competitive basketball in about 18 months and brings a redundant skillset and plays a redundant position. How long are WeltHam's contracts again?

Are you suggesting Weltham should've (if they even could have) traded up with Miami or higher to take Herro?

[PrimeThyme]

Are you suggesting Weltham should've (if they even could have) traded up with Miami or higher to take Herro?

I won't outright blame them for not doing so, but you would think that the head of a team as offensively challenged as we are with one of the worst guard rotations would make an aggressive move at some point.

Many of us were big Herro fans coming out. This isn't exactly surprising, and if it isn't surprising for us it certainly shouldn't be for the head of a professional basketball organization. The clock is ticking on them. They need to start aggressively trying to acquire offensive talent whether that means moving up in the draft or attacking the trade market.

[J the Drafter]

So you guys are mad that instead of taking a tall shooter with a driving and passing game, management took a tall athletic shooter who plays defense, posts up, and has a bit of a driving game and decent passing game? The biggest difference between the two right now is that Okeke is rehabbing.

[zaymon]

So you guys are mad that instead of taking a tall shooter with a driving and passing game, management took a tall athletic shooter who plays defense, posts up, and has a bit of a driving game and decent passing game? The biggest difference between the two right now is that Okeke is rehabbing.

It will come down to creating off the dribble. Okeke will propably be better at most aspects of the game but creating off the dribble is so important that it can change the equation if you dont have superstar ball handlers on your team. Right now Herro looks like lesser version of Fournier in a more limited role. Okeke in my eyes has potential to be more, he showed more off the dribble game in high school.

[j-ragg]

everyone on the Magic > everyone not on the Magic

[basketballRob]

I remember rumors that Ainge wanted to trade Brown for Bamba straight up during that draft.

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I don't think that's believable. First time I heard that.

It was widely rumored leading up to that draft.

Read on Twitter

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[Skybox]

So you guys are mad that instead of taking a tall shooter with a driving and passing game, management took a tall athletic shooter who plays defense, posts up, and has a bit of a driving game and decent passing game? The biggest difference between the two right now is that Okeke is rehabbing.

It will come down to creating off the dribble. Okeke will propably be better at most aspects of the game but creating off the dribble is so important that it can change the equation if you dont have superstar ball handlers on your team. Right now Herro looks like lesser version of Fournier in a more limited role. Okeke in my eyes has potential to be more, he showed more off the dribble game in high school.

Like most of our guys, IMO, Fournier would be great playing with a star like Butler. Right now, we don’t have that gravity guy that pulls defenses around and creates easy opportunities. I’m loving how Fultz plays when he’s in attack mode. His ability to dance through the lane, get guys on their heels, cross guys up and cause instant adjustments is what modern offense is all about. If he takes another step forward (or backward in his case?), everyone looks better. Herro, Duncan Robinson, and Bam are the luckiest guys in the world to be born into Butler’s Heat.

Having said that, I’d like to move Evan with his expiring deal for a pick or a younger cheaper version (like Afflalo for Evan). If we can turn him into another 2020 frp and we pick up a young creator like, Lewis or Maxes and then replace him with Bey or Nesmith...we’re on to something...some not unthinkable combo of moves with Evan and AGfor some more pieces could flip the script and the balance sheet .

[MagicFan101]

I remember rumors that Ainge wanted to trade Brown for Bamba straight up during that draft.

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I don't think that's believable. First time I heard that.

It was widely rumored leading up to that draft.

Read on Twitter

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That tweet says the Mavs wanted Brown (who wouldn’t?) and the Celtics would be open to acquiring Bamba.

How do these connect to “Celtics wanted to swap Brown for Bamba”?

[pepe1991]

So you guys are mad that instead of taking a tall shooter with a driving and passing game, management took a tall athletic shooter who plays defense, posts up, and has a bit of a driving game and decent passing game? The biggest difference between the two right now is that Okeke is rehabbing.

It will come down to creating off the dribble. Okeke will propably be better at most aspects of the game but creating off the dribble is so important that it can change the equation if you dont have superstar ball handlers on your team. Right now Herro looks like lesser version of Fournier in a more limited role. Okeke in my eyes has potential to be more, he showed more off the dribble game in high school.

Facts.
Tyler Herro, 20 yeras old. 13 ppg in rookie year 39% for 3.

Chuma Okeke , 22 yeras old. 0,00 ppg, 0,00% in nba being 2 years older.


Okeke is also nothing but stand still shooter. how many of those you will get in nba? Not many.

Okeke could also improve his finishing in crowds, having shot just 18-of-45 on rolls to the basket while making one runner all season. And after he went 4-of-24 on pull-up jumpers, the scouting report will alert defense to close out hard and run him off the three-point line.

There is also whole issue what execlly he will play. He is 6'6 without shoes. That's NBA two guard, some small ball SF at most. He does not have skills to really play any of that. Nor he is athletic or strong to play some small ball PF.
It's fine to pretend that positions don't exist when it's convenient to a story, but with Gordon and Isaac it's clear that positions indeed -exist and having two PFs simply doesn't work.

Guy averaged 12 !!! ( TWENTEEN!) points a game at college. He is not some scoring machine. His assist to turnover ratio is pretty much 1 to 1 so he isn't some passing machine. He is solid defender, average athlete, spot up shooter with average nba size.

Him being anything more than rotation player is extream reach. There is no evidence whatsoever he is more than that. And all this BEFORE HE WAS FORCED TO SIT AWAY FROM BASKETBALL FOR TWO FREAKING YEARS.

[zaymon]

So you guys are mad that instead of taking a tall shooter with a driving and passing game, management took a tall athletic shooter who plays defense, posts up, and has a bit of a driving game and decent passing game? The biggest difference between the two right now is that Okeke is rehabbing.

It will come down to creating off the dribble. Okeke will propably be better at most aspects of the game but creating off the dribble is so important that it can change the equation if you dont have superstar ball handlers on your team. Right now Herro looks like lesser version of Fournier in a more limited role. Okeke in my eyes has potential to be more, he showed more off the dribble game in high school.

Like most of our guys, IMO, Fournier would be great playing with a star like Butler. Right now, we don’t have that gravity guy that pulls defenses around and creates easy opportunities. I’m loving how Fultz plays when he’s in attack mode. His ability to dance through the lane, get guys on their heels, cross guys up and cause instant adjustments is what modern offense is all about. If he takes another step forward (or backward in his case?), everyone looks better. Herro, Duncan Robinson, and Bam are the luckiest guys in the world to be born into Butler’s Heat.

Having said that, I’d like to move Evan with his expiring deal for a pick or a younger cheaper version (like Afflalo for Evan). If we can turn him into another 2020 frp and we pick up a young creator like, Lewis or Maxes and then replace him with Bey or Nesmith...we’re on to something...some not unthinkable combo of moves with Evan and AGfor some more pieces could flip the script and the balance sheet .

I am not opposed to trading Fournier, but i just cant see any good young talent available. Herro, NAW, Okogie, Huerter, Monk, Trent, Simons, Walker, Smith, Porter.
Herro, Porter not available. Rest sucks or doesnt have star potential. Maybe i would try with Monk, but i doubt Clifford likes him and he is not worth Fournier. You have any favourities ? From wings i like Troy Brown also, but he is not a good shooter and Wizards seem to value him a lot.

[OrlChamps2030]

The legend of Okeke continues. Apparently now he’s a defensive stopper with the offensive game of Herro and the ability to play the 3 or the 4. If he wasn’t injured he probably would have went #1 overall

[pepe1991]

Chuma Okeke, new Lebron is here folks.

[VFX]

So you guys are mad that instead of taking a tall shooter with a driving and passing game, management took a tall athletic shooter who plays defense, posts up, and has a bit of a driving game and decent passing game? The biggest difference between the two right now is that Okeke is rehabbing.

You’ve been watching the Magic the last few years, right? You know what we lack in spades, right?

[Bakomagic]

You guys are underrating Miami’s player development.

I bet Chuma would develop into a stud if he’s was in their program.

You know it’s funny the same people who love to crap on our young players also like to point out other teams young players playing well, but refuse to admit that they are suffering due to our mediocre vets and the usage, responsibility and leeway (turnover, bad defense) they are given.

It’s like they are player fans and blinded by their love for certain players on the team so they must defend them by crapping on any players that threatened their favorites place on the team

[Skin]

So uh, how about that Herro kid? 20 points with 9:13 left in the 4th. A rookie shooting the lights out in the conference finals.

Would of been nice to have our SG of the future ready to replace our balding Frenchman. Instead our rookie hasn't played high-level competitive basketball in about 18 months and brings a redundant skillset and plays a redundant position. How long are WeltHam's contracts again?

He looks good for sure, but sometimes you draft a guy like that and get Nik Stauskas.

Miami showing faith in their rookie and giving him playing time has been a big boost to he development.

[MagicFan101]

So uh, how about that Herro kid? 20 points with 9:13 left in the 4th. A rookie shooting the lights out in the conference finals.

Would of been nice to have our SG of the future ready to replace our balding Frenchman. Instead our rookie hasn't played high-level competitive basketball in about 18 months and brings a redundant skillset and plays a redundant position. How long are WeltHam's contracts again?

He looks good for sure, but sometimes you draft a guy like that and get Nik Stauskas.

Miami showing faith in their rookie and giving him playing time has been a big boost to he development.

It helps when the opposing defense has to focus on vets like Butler and Dragic allowing Herro to focus on what he does best and let the pro game slow down much earlier for him ... hence that early player development can happen.

[Ducklett]

"Most of us wanted Herro" KEK

Most you guys wanted NAW. But now that he is total trash and looks like he won't even be in the league after this contact, you glob onto whatever other player you can LOL.

Knowing our luck and bottom tier player development strategy, Okeke is going to suck too.

[zaymon]

"Most of us wanted Herro" KEK

Most you guys wanted NAW. But now that he is total trash and looks like he won't even be in the league after this contact, you glob onto whatever other player you can LOL.

Knowing our luck and bottom tier player development strategy, Okeke is going to suck too.

Maybe he will suck but Weltman is very excited about him. We need to hit in draft period. Yes i agree most of.posters here wanted NAW not Herro. Herro is good, still his numbers outside volume are mostly worse than 20 y.o Fournier. Heat believe he is second coming Devin Booker. Well we will see about that. Kid definetly can play.

[Skin]

So uh, how about that Herro kid? 20 points with 9:13 left in the 4th. A rookie shooting the lights out in the conference finals.

Would of been nice to have our SG of the future ready to replace our balding Frenchman. Instead our rookie hasn't played high-level competitive basketball in about 18 months and brings a redundant skillset and plays a redundant position. How long are WeltHam's contracts again?

He looks good for sure, but sometimes you draft a guy like that and get Nik Stauskas.

Miami showing faith in their rookie and giving him playing time has been a big boost to he development.

It helps when the opposing defense has to focus on vets like Butler and Dragic allowing Herro to focus on what he does best and let the pro game slow down much earlier for him ... hence that early player development can happen.

It helps when you have vets that aren't selfish, aren't afraid of the rook taking his job, and the team has a healthy culture.

Can you imagine how Fournier would react to a rookie at his position taking 12 3pt shots?