2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[MagicFan101]

Trade Cole and Isaac for Evian Fournier and a couple of second round picks. Fournier could come off the bench and is expiring. Retain Bol with the extra roster spot.

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Bring Fournier home while doing Cole a solid. Makes sense.

You people prefer Fournier over Cole? In 2023?

I don’t think you recognize the improvement Cole made last season and what he brings off the bench for us. If he is content (for now) in that role then he is far more valuable to us than he is to most other teams and that makes most trades unlikely … but for Evan **** Fournier??? Wtf guys??

[basketballRob]

Trade Cole and Isaac for Evian Fournier and a couple of second round picks. Fournier could come off the bench and is expiring. Retain Bol with the extra roster spot.

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Bring Fournier home while doing Cole a solid. Makes sense.

You people prefer Fournier over Cole? In 2023?

I don’t think you recognize the improvement Cole made last season and what he brings off the bench for us. If he is content (for now) in that role then he is far more valuable to us than he is to most other teams and that makes most trades unlikely … but for Evan **** Fournier??? Wtf guys??

I think I like the Harris and Okeke for Fournier trade better. That would clear a roster spot, and Fournier's contract would be off the books next season.

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[jonbob17]

Thats insanity. Absolutely not

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Okeke and Harris make better since.

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Whats the point of the trade though? Garry Harris is better then Fournier.

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I am certainly not suggesting we go after Fournier, but is Harris really better than him? what exactly is Harris better at?

Fournier career 38% 3 point shooter. Prior to riding the bench this season he had been jackin up around 7 3s a game and making them close to 40% for 5 years or so.
Harris is a career 37% 3 point shooter on lower volume

Harris is an under sized 2 guard, at 6'2.5" Fournier is closer to 6'6", and can play multiple positions.

Neither is a good defender.

Harris scored 8 points a game last year including 2 threes per game. so he scored 2 non three points in 25 minutes a game...kind of remarkable for a guy who isn't running around looking to get open. Just kind of takes them as they come.

[basketballRob]

Okeke and Harris make better since.

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Whats the point of the trade though? Garry Harris is better then Fournier.

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I am certainly not suggesting we go after Fournier, but is Harris really better than him? what exactly is Harris better at?

Fournier career 38% 3 point shooter. Prior to riding the bench this season he had been jackin up around 7 3s a game and making them close to 40% for 5 years or so.
Harris is a career 37% 3 point shooter on lower volume

Harris is an under sized 2 guard, at 6'2.5" Fournier is closer to 6'6", and can play multiple positions.

Neither is a good defender.

Harris scored 8 points a game last year including 2 threes per game. so he scored 2 non three points in 25 minutes a game...kind of remarkable for a guy who isn't running around looking to get open. Just kind of takes them as they come.

Fournier is the same height and wingspan that Black is, 6'7".

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[thelead]

Trade Cole and Isaac for Evian Fournier and a couple of second round picks. Fournier could come off the bench and is expiring. Retain Bol with the extra roster spot.

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Bring Fournier home while doing Cole a solid. Makes sense.

You people prefer Fournier over Cole? In 2023?

I don’t think you recognize the improvement Cole made last season and what he brings off the bench for us. If he is content (for now) in that role then he is far more valuable to us than he is to most other teams and that makes most trades unlikely … but for Evan **** Fournier??? Wtf guys??

I’m just going to assume people are partaking in early July 4th festivities and are heavily intoxicated

And I used to be one of Cole’s biggest ’haters’ on this board.

[Skybox]

I wouldn't be opposed to trading Cole and Harris to NY, as we DO need to clear some room. I think Fournier could step in and give us, basically what we got from Harris...but the value is WAY WAY off...what does NY add to make it up? I give zero value to seconds, based on our historical use.

I don't see it setting us back on-court because I think Black is the future and I don't expect FO to move Fultz (yet). Personally, I'd do Fultz for Fournier, for the same roster reasons and I don't think NY has to add - like I would for Cole...I'd start Cole and give Black 20 mins (or more if he's ready)...this is especially true if we can extend Cole for $15m or less x 4 (which I worry we can't ).

ORL sends: Harris and Fultz
NYK sends: Fournier and Hartenstein

ORL sends: Cole Anthony, Isaac, Harris, DEN 25 frp
NYK sends: Fournier, Mitchell Robinson
*something to think about...if Isaac is healthy, he's best player in the trade, by a lot, if he's not-not far off value-wise, IMO.

[yoyojw17]

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Good Ingles video....loving the signing!

[D12VCMagic]

I would vomit if we brought Fournier back. I genuinely don’t get why so many Magic fans are eager to bring players back from the worst era of Magic history.

[Orl_Magic]

I would vomit if we brought Fournier back. I genuinely don’t get why so many Magic fans are eager to bring players back from the worst era of Magic history.

Amen! Fournier plays matador defense. Harris shoots the 3 better, plays better defense and is also an expiring that is a nice trade piece if we decide to consolidate

[YosemiteSam]

For those of you thinking the Magic have a lazy or dumb front office and criticizing their actions in free agency, not everyone thinks so, especially real experts. From Hollinger:

In fact, the smartest plays I’ve seen on the board have come from teams such as Orlando and Indiana, who have adopted something of a hybrid strategy by essentially turning their cap room into both a useful player and a trade exception.

Bruce Brown is overpaid at $45 million over two years, but with a second-year team option he basically operates as a trade exception. If any deal comes up to get the Pacers a truly difference-making player, they have the large expiring deal they need …and that’s true at any point in the next two years if they pick up the option. In the meantime, they landed a genuinely useful player to help in the backcourt; this is way higher up the food chain than absorbing a salary dump.

Orlando had a similar concept with half the money; Ingles isn’t on Brown’s level, but having his deal on the books lets the Magic quickly pivot if a trade opportunity presents itself.

For teams like the Magic and Pacers that are still figuring out what they have, I thought this was a particularly clever use of their cap room, and I was a bit surprised more teams didn’t go for the short-term overpay as a means of rolling over cap space.

One thing is for sure: Cap space isn’t cool anymore. The dream of an All-Star free-agent signing is impossible if none of them ever become free agents in the first place. As a result, teams will need to think a lot more strategically about what max-type cap room even means anymore, and what options are truly viable for franchises in that position. Many of them got 50 cents on their cap room dollar this year, and with so few genuine stars hitting free agency, I’m not sure the ROI is going to improve much in coming seasons.

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[BlueBalls]

My trade ideas:

Fultz,Cole,Chuma,Gary, 2024 first, 2025 first, Den pick for Garland + Rubio

Gary,Chuma, Den pick for Hield

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Norman Powell

Isaac,Fultz,Suggs,Cole,Chuma,2024 first,2025 first,Den pick for Edwards,Gobert

Isaac,Cole,Bol,Gary,2024 first, Den pick for Harden

Cole,Gary,Okeke, 2024 first, Den pick for Simons

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Trent

Gary, 2024 first, Den pick for Clarkson

Have you considered the Magic possibly packaging Gary and Cole?

[drsd]

My trade ideas:

Fultz,Cole,Chuma,Gary, 2024 first, 2025 first, Den pick for Garland + Rubio

Gary,Chuma, Den pick for Hield

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Norman Powell

Isaac,Fultz,Suggs,Cole,Chuma,2024 first,2025 first,Den pick for Edwards,Gobert

Isaac,Cole,Bol,Gary,2024 first, Den pick for Harden

Cole,Gary,Okeke, 2024 first, Den pick for Simons

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Trent

Gary, 2024 first, Den pick for Clarkson

If the Blazers is going to break up the band and move on from Lillard, then Portland will also want to unload salary and get as many young assets as possible. All of the sudden, this looks like a great trade idea (again; rehash and re-rinsed).

I love the idea of G-Harris, Anthony, and Okeke for Simons. In addition to the key goal of allowing the Magic to retain Bol, a very clear depth chart forms.

Fultz/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard/Houstan
F-Wagner/Ingles/Bol
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze


I LOVE that roster for the 2023/24 season. LOVE LOVE LOVE


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[jonbob17]

My trade ideas:

Fultz,Cole,Chuma,Gary, 2024 first, 2025 first, Den pick for Garland + Rubio

Gary,Chuma, Den pick for Hield

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Norman Powell

Isaac,Fultz,Suggs,Cole,Chuma,2024 first,2025 first,Den pick for Edwards,Gobert

Isaac,Cole,Bol,Gary,2024 first, Den pick for Harden

Cole,Gary,Okeke, 2024 first, Den pick for Simons

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Trent

Gary, 2024 first, Den pick for Clarkson

If the Blazers is going to break up the band and move on from Lillard, then Portland will also want to unload salary and get as many young assets as possible. All of the sudden, this looks like a great trade idea (again; rehash and re-rinsed).

I love the idea of G-Harris, Anthony, and Okeke for Simons. In addition to the key goal of allowing the Magic to retain Bol, a very clear depth chart forms.

Fultz/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard/Houstan
F-Wagner/Ingles/Bol
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

I LOVE that roster for the 2023/24 season. LOVE LOVE LOVE


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How are the Blazers going to break up a day after they just signed Jerami Grant to a 5/160. Portland has been perfectly happy with the 6th seed for so long and in an ironic twist, Dame wants out and they are still stuck. Its not the worst spot, since they did just draft Scoot, but they can't exactly build around him either.

I don't know what in the hell they were thinking but clearly everybody wasn't on the same page. You would think you would figure out what exactly Lillard wanted before they committed 160M

As for the Magic I think they are committed to Suggs for at least for one more year. And by committed i mean they think he can be a long term starter...now he is still in the same spot next summer, then we will have to rethink his future role, which should still be a rotation player.

[tiderulz]

My trade ideas:

Fultz,Cole,Chuma,Gary, 2024 first, 2025 first, Den pick for Garland + Rubio

Gary,Chuma, Den pick for Hield

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Norman Powell

Isaac,Fultz,Suggs,Cole,Chuma,2024 first,2025 first,Den pick for Edwards,Gobert

Isaac,Cole,Bol,Gary,2024 first, Den pick for Harden

Cole,Gary,Okeke, 2024 first, Den pick for Simons

Gary,Cole, Den pick for Trent

Gary, 2024 first, Den pick for Clarkson

If the Blazers is going to break up the band and move on from Lillard, then Portland will also want to unload salary and get as many young assets as possible. All of the sudden, this looks like a great trade idea (again; rehash and re-rinsed).

I love the idea of G-Harris, Anthony, and Okeke for Simons. In addition to the key goal of allowing the Magic to retain Bol, a very clear depth chart forms.

Fultz/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard/Houstan
F-Wagner/Ingles/Bol
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner/Bitadze

I LOVE that roster for the 2023/24 season. LOVE LOVE LOVE


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How are the Blazers going to break up a day after they just signed Jerami Grant to a 5/160. Portland has been perfectly happy with the 6th seed for so long and in an ironic twist, Dame wants out and they are still stuck. Its not the worst spot, since they did just draft Scoot, but they can't exactly build around him either.

I don't know what in the hell they were thinking but clearly everybody wasn't on the same page. You would think you would figure out what exactly Lillard wanted before they committed 160M

As for the Magic I think they are committed to Suggs for at least for one more year. And by committed i mean they think he can be a long term starter...now he is still in the same spot next summer, then we will have to rethink his future role, which should still be a rotation player.

thats just it, they havent been happy. But injuries and some roster choices have caused issues. I could see them wanting to move SImons and give Sharpe the SG spot, but i think we would have to include Bol likely instead of Okeke. gives Portland the hope of a young player to develop. plus, he could play a lot of SF for them, which they dont really have anyone other than Kris Murray who they just drafted.

[RookieStar]

Okeke and Harris make better since.

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Whats the point of the trade though? Garry Harris is better then Fournier.

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I am certainly not suggesting we go after Fournier, but is Harris really better than him? what exactly is Harris better at?

Fournier career 38% 3 point shooter. Prior to riding the bench this season he had been jackin up around 7 3s a game and making them close to 40% for 5 years or so.
Harris is a career 37% 3 point shooter on lower volume

Harris is an under sized 2 guard, at 6'2.5" Fournier is closer to 6'6", and can play multiple positions.

Neither is a good defender.

Harris scored 8 points a game last year including 2 threes per game. so he scored 2 non three points in 25 minutes a game...kind of remarkable for a guy who isn't running around looking to get open. Just kind of takes them as they come.

Huh? GHArris calling card especially during his DEN days was a top defender.

[tiderulz]

Whats the point of the trade though? Garry Harris is better then Fournier.

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I am certainly not suggesting we go after Fournier, but is Harris really better than him? what exactly is Harris better at?

Fournier career 38% 3 point shooter. Prior to riding the bench this season he had been jackin up around 7 3s a game and making them close to 40% for 5 years or so.
Harris is a career 37% 3 point shooter on lower volume

Harris is an under sized 2 guard, at 6'2.5" Fournier is closer to 6'6", and can play multiple positions.

Neither is a good defender.

Harris scored 8 points a game last year including 2 threes per game. so he scored 2 non three points in 25 minutes a game...kind of remarkable for a guy who isn't running around looking to get open. Just kind of takes them as they come.

Huh? GHArris calling card especially during his DEN days was a top defender.

yeah, but that was a long long time ago

[RookieStar]

I am certainly not suggesting we go after Fournier, but is Harris really better than him? what exactly is Harris better at?

Fournier career 38% 3 point shooter. Prior to riding the bench this season he had been jackin up around 7 3s a game and making them close to 40% for 5 years or so.
Harris is a career 37% 3 point shooter on lower volume

Harris is an under sized 2 guard, at 6'2.5" Fournier is closer to 6'6", and can play multiple positions.

Neither is a good defender.

Harris scored 8 points a game last year including 2 threes per game. so he scored 2 non three points in 25 minutes a game...kind of remarkable for a guy who isn't running around looking to get open. Just kind of takes them as they come.

Huh? GHArris calling card especially during his DEN days was a top defender.

yeah, but that was a long long time ago

IS he that broken down that he lost more than a step? I recalled last season he was defending the opponents best guard when Suggs wasn't in.

[yoyojw17]

Huh? GHArris calling card especially during his DEN days was a top defender.

yeah, but that was a long long time ago

IS he that broken down that he lost more than a step? I recalled last season he was defending the opponents best guard when Suggs wasn't in.

I was about to say. He did well from what I remembered. Lol. He's never been a stat stuffer in that department... He contains his man.... Kind of like a SG version of Wendell. Doesn't blow the stat sheets away... But he does great on that side of the floor. Nothing flashy about him at all. He's a great player still ... But based on the schemes that were implemented this season.... He did not get as much opportunities that would allow us to look back at and be impressed. If he took 2- 3 more threes.... We wouldn't be really discussing trading him.

[SOUL]

But based on the schemes that were implemented this season.... He did not get as much opportunities that would allow us to look back at and be impressed. If he took 2- 3 more threes.... We wouldn't be really discussing trading him.

I'd push back a little against this. I like Gary, but he doesn't really have that three point gravitas other guys do despite shooting it well. Unless you're saying that his whole career every scheme was against him.. he's only taken more than 5 threes a game in 2 out of 9 seasons. One with the Nuggets (5.9), one with the Magic (5.0) - the rest are between 2-4.5 a season.

[Bensational]

Harris’ total 3PAs are artificially deflated by his minutes. Per36 he averaged 6.6 3PAs per game last season. It’s a bit lower than Fournier’s 3Prate but not much at all.