#8 UCF [10-0] @ Tampa

[Knightro]

It will come. That is okay because it happens to everyone (except Nick Saban apparently). But UCF fans and staff should be using this high to troll the NCAA about expansion (playoff or conference) rather than being petty fools and trolling Alabama about a false championship.

So your big solution to UCF being shut out of the playoffs is that UCF fans and the school itself should be trolling the NCAA about expansion?

Ok pal. I think we're done here.

[UCF]

NCAA has very little to no say on post season games. That’s the problem because the power brokers have established a favorable system that’s “accepted”.

Also, men’s basketball has huge expectations this year.

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[Xatticus]

The Big 12 isn't marching in unison though. It lacks the solidarity that other power five conferences possess to varying extents. Texas A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri all bolted because they had the options to do so. Others would happily have moved to greener pastures had they the same opportunities.

Texas has been the root of the disharmony in the Big 12. The conference doesn't have a television network because Texas has their own network that they aren't willing to forfeit because it provides them a competitive advantage over their conference partners. From the moment that Texas joined the conference, it has used it's resources to tilt the table. This has created quite a bit of resentment from many of the other members.

Different conference members have different motivations and some of those members have more existential concerns when it comes to conference expansion. When those four aforementioned schools chose to leave the conference, many of the remaining members faced the real possibility that they were going to get left without a seat in a power conference if the Pac-12 absorbed Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. In that event, Texas would've spun off as an independent and the remaining members would've been left scrambling for something soft to land on. Their saving grace was the fact that local politics ensured that the two Oklahoma schools are bound at the hip in the event of realignment. Oklahoma can only go if Oklahoma St. can tag along with them.

The title game wasn't actually eliminated because of the number of teams in the conference, but rather because the Big 12 had lost some opportunities to land teams in the national title game due to upsets in their conference title games. It was reinstated because the lack of a conference championship game was being tossed around as a reason for the conference only placing one team in the new college football playoff in the first three years of its existence.

For those that are hoping that the Big 12 opens up expansion talks again, there are two compelling factors could open up the possiblity. Firstly, root against there being a Big 12 representative in the playoff. An undefeated Notre Dame or a top-heavy SEC would make it very difficult for the Big 12 to get anyone in this year. The Big 12 has only had two representatives in four years and if this trend continues, the conference will reevaluate its position in the power five hierarchy. Secondly, while things are dormant at the moment, any talk of expansion from any of the other conferences would also force the Big 12 leadership into action as it would threaten the stability and/or existence of the Big 12.

Most of the stuff you're pushing as negatives aren't really negatives anymore.

Things have SIGNIFICANTLY stabilized for the Big 12 over the last 2-3 years. Big 12 teams are absolutely rolling in cash now (they're barely behind the Big 10 for No. 2 conference in TV revenue per team). They finally realized that 10 teams is actually an advantage financially because each team gets more money than they'd get if they had 12 or 14.

Beyond that... expanding their conference doesn't really give them a *better* chance of getting into the playoff. The case could absolutely be made that it makes it worse, especially if they add teams capable of winning games.

That's only true if you assume that the number of teams in a conference is not a factor when it comes time to broker those television deals, which simply isn't the case. The Big 12 has crept up with their last big TV deal, but Big Ten revenue is projected to grow dramatically over the next few years because of the success of their network.

Texas has used their drawing power to stack the deck in their favor. They are the conference's bell cow. Texas is going to earn their revenue regardless of whether or not they are members of the Big 12 though. The same certainly isn't true for the large majority of the other members of the Big 12. Most of them would be looking at AAC television revenue if Texas went independent.

Adding TCU and WVU only alleviated some of the pressure on the conference to strengthen its profile relative to the other power conferences, but the conference's situation is still far more tenuous than that of their competitors. Stability in this landscape is dependent entirely upon the motives of those that you are in direct competition against. The landscape was stable before the ACC plundered the Big East and it was stable before the Big 12 had four members stolen away by three of their competitors. These schools didn't leave for financial reasons, but because they had opportunities to join more stable and equitable environments by getting away from the sort of machinations that led to the demise of the SWC. Nebraska actually lost a lot of money in the short-term by making the switch.

The fact that the conference only had one representative in the college football playoff's first three years was a really big deal. TCU and Baylor both getting left out of the 2014 playoff was a really big deal. Texas will be content to be the big fish in a small pond as long as they believe it is in their best interests, but they will not be content if they are getting snubbed by the committee after winning a conference title.

[tiderulz]

they did add the game, but they just play #1 and #2, cannibalizing themselves even more. I think they will expand. Adding a team in Florida opens their TV network to more eyes and recruits. part of not having the Big12 network anymore was that the league was just Oklahoma/Texas for the casual fan, and it still is. adding WV doesnt really add many more eyes to their games. Adding someone like UCF would, from the state if nothing else.

There is no Big 12 TV network. It doesn't exist and they have no need to have it.

Conference expansion is only about one thing and that's television revenue.

Right now each school in the Big 12 is making about $36.5M per year off their TV contracts with Fox and ESPN.

Since they don't have their own network, adding two teams to get to 12 would actually DECREASE the TV revenue per team down to about 30.4M per year.

Why would any of those 10 schools willingly give up over $5M per year in revenue for the next 7 years (Big 12 TV contracts aren't up for renewal until after 2025) when adding schools won't INCREASE the amount ESPN/Fox would be willing to pay?

you did see that i said part of not having it anymore. They did have it until 2014. Now its just the Longhorn Network, giving Texas a competitive edge financially. And yes, the have a need if nothing else to channel revenue from material such as games and such to the entire conference, not just to the pockets of Texas for their own TV channel.

[Knightro]

you did see that i said part of not having it anymore. They did have it until 2014. Now its just the Longhorn Network, giving Texas a competitive edge financially. And yes, the have a need if nothing else to channel revenue from material such as games and such to the entire conference, not just to the pockets of Texas for their own TV channel.

Yeah, but you also said "Adding a team in Florida opens their TV network to more eyes and recruits."

I guess that confused me because there's no TV network that's going to be opened to more eyes and recruits by adding teams in Florida, no?

[MagicFan101]

they did add the game, but they just play #1 and #2, cannibalizing themselves even more. I think they will expand. Adding a team in Florida opens their TV network to more eyes and recruits. part of not having the Big12 network anymore was that the league was just Oklahoma/Texas for the casual fan, and it still is. adding WV doesnt really add many more eyes to their games. Adding someone like UCF would, from the state if nothing else.

There is no Big 12 TV network. It doesn't exist and they have no need to have it.

Conference expansion is only about one thing and that's television revenue.

Right now each school in the Big 12 is making about $36.5M per year off their TV contracts with Fox and ESPN.

Since they don't have their own network, adding two teams to get to 12 would actually DECREASE the TV revenue per team down to about 30.4M per year.

Why would any of those 10 schools willingly give up over $5M per year in revenue for the next 7 years (Big 12 TV contracts aren't up for renewal until after 2025) when adding schools won't INCREASE the amount ESPN/Fox would be willing to pay?

Again, you’re focusing only on today.

Almost all major conferences (Big-12, Big-10, SEC, PAC-12) have TV deals expiring between 2023-2025. Streaming TV is the new age and due to being at the tail of long term deals it is basically a completely untapped resource.

The $$$ coming in those deals just 4-6 years from now will be unlike anything in NCAA history.

Mark my words. The Big-12 will expand in 2025/26.

As with any expansion, some get invited to the party while most do not. Just as you outlined above, programs already in the big leagues don’t want to share more than they just. Why would they? So how does UCF ensure they are among the select few chosen?

They better be doing a better job behind the scenes right now today than they did in their last attempt for joining a major conference. Their failed history of such attempts and public blasts of complacency leave me skeptical. Hopefully I’m wrong.

UCF should be lobbying to fill any and every open spot on a Power 5 schedule between 2022-2024. Show these conferences that fans travel, money can be made and you can deliver a direct line to Florida talent. Position yourselves for being the star of the expansion ball!

[Knightro]

Again, you’re focusing only on today.

Almost all major conferences (Big-12, Big-10, SEC, PAC-12) have TV deals expiring between 2023-2025. Streaming TV is the new age and due to being at the tail of long term deals it is basically a completely untapped resource.

The $$$ coming in those deals just 4-6 years from now will be unlike anything in NCAA history.

Mark my words. The Big-12 will expand in 2025/26.

As with any expansion, some get invited to the party while most do not. Just as you outlined above, programs already in the big leagues don’t want to share more than they just. Why would they? So how does UCF ensure they are among the select few chosen?

They better be doing a better job behind the scenes right now today than they did in their last attempt for joining a major conference. Their failed history of such attempts and public blasts of complacency leave me skeptical. Hopefully I’m wrong.

The last time the NCAA had major conference realignment, UCF had one major bowl win in football (which was seen as a fluke by many), they sucked in basketball and didn't really draw fans all that well in either sport. Quite frankly the school was far too antiquated both from a coaching and athletic department standpoint. They were more potential than substance.

All of that has changed. The Knights have far more modern leadership with Danny White in charge. They've overhauled their in-house production of sports for the better. White has done a dynamic job of energizing the fan base to a level it has never been before and quite frankly they have just had significantly more sustained success across all sports. More than ever before.

All UCF can do is

1. Continue to win across all sports
2. Continue to be cutting edge with their approach to social and digital media
3. Take a non adversarial approach to their relationship with USF (they could be a package deal when the time comes for TV, natural local rivalry and non football sports travel purposes)
4. Hope that a conference that doesn't already have ties to Florida (aka no ACC and no SEC) wants to make inroads in the state.

[MagicFan101]

Again, you’re focusing only on today.

Almost all major conferences (Big-12, Big-10, SEC, PAC-12) have TV deals expiring between 2023-2025. Streaming TV is the new age and due to being at the tail of long term deals it is basically a completely untapped resource.

The $$$ coming in those deals just 4-6 years from now will be unlike anything in NCAA history.

Mark my words. The Big-12 will expand in 2025/26.

As with any expansion, some get invited to the party while most do not. Just as you outlined above, programs already in the big leagues don’t want to share more than they just. Why would they? So how does UCF ensure they are among the select few chosen?

They better be doing a better job behind the scenes right now today than they did in their last attempt for joining a major conference. Their failed history of such attempts and public blasts of complacency leave me skeptical. Hopefully I’m wrong.

The last time the NCAA had major conference realignment, UCF had one major bowl win in football (which was seen as a fluke by many), they sucked in basketball and didn't really draw fans all that well in either sport. Quite frankly the school was far too antiquated both from a coaching and athletic department standpoint. They were more potential than substance.

All of that has changed. The Knights have far more modern leadership with Danny White in charge. They've overhauled their in-house production of sports for the better. White has done a dynamic job of energizing the fan base to a level it has never been before and quite frankly they have just had significantly more sustained success across all sports. More than ever before.

All UCF can do is

1. Continue to win across all sports
2. Continue to be cutting edge with their approach to social and digital media
3. Take a non adversarial approach to their relationship with USF (they could be a package deal when the time comes for TV, natural local rivalry and non football sports travel purposes)
4. Hope that a conference that doesn't already have ties to Florida (aka no ACC and no SEC) wants to make inroads in the state.

I laid this out clearly for you earlier. Ups and downs occur for everyone. No one cares about recent W/L results. Those are cyclical. No progra is immune to this. However, even in their down cycles the big programs keep selling out and making money.

Only $$$ matters.

UCF must present evidence of financial gains worthy of having their teams travel to Florida each and every year. How do you do that without hard evidence via scheduling such games? You have to show that a visit from UCF will sell tickets and fans are willing to travel to Orlando for away games.

Your list of “all we can do” is the lazy attitude I’m fighting against. Start adding “interview games” with these conferences as they approach the end of their TV deals. Schedules are set years in advance but there is room still during 2023-2024... for now. Wait much longer and those will be gone as well.

[Knightro]

I laid this out clearly for you earlier. Ups and downs occur for everyone. No one cares about recent W/L results. Those are cyclical. No progra is immune to this. However, even in their down cycles the big programs keep selling out and making money.

Only $$$ matters.

UCF must present evidence of financial gains worthy of having their teams travel to Florida each and every year. How do you do that without hard evidence via scheduling such games? You have to show that a visit from UCF will sell tickets and fans are willing to travel to Orlando for away games.

Your list of “all we can do” is the lazy attitude I’m fighting against. Start adding “interview games” with these conferences as they approach the end of their TV deals. Schedules are set years in advance but there is room still during 2023-2024... for now. Wait much longer and those will be gone as well.

Buddy... I worked at UCF for five years. I know how these things within college athletics work. UCF is NOT going to add "interview" games and it certainly isn't for a lack of trying.

If you're Oklahoma or Alabama or Ohio State or Florida and you already have 5 or 6 challenging or semi challenging conference games every year (and usually one high end OOC game against a P5) you're absolutely NOT adding the best G5 team because it doesn't benefit you that much if you win and it absolutely kills you if you lose. There's just not enough upside for those programs and way too much downside.

To your "worthy of having their teams travel" stuff. That's where winning becomes important. If UCF continues to win and continues to play an exciting and high scoring brand of football, they'll continue to travel extremely well anywhere in the country as they have the last two years. UCF had about a 70-30 advantage at the Peach Bowl last year despite it being a flight for most UCF fans and a drive for most Auburn fans.

As far as road teams coming in, Orlando is one of the biggest airports in the entire country. You can fly in from anywhere, usually direct, for pretty cheap all things considered. There's more hotels and more family friendly stuff to do for out of town tourists here than basically any other city in America. If UCF was in the Big 12, they would get MASSIVE amounts of opposing fans to make the trip. It's a destination city for goodness sake. People take vacations here.

There's nothing UCF can really do except focus on the here and now. UCF can make itself more attractive by continuing to win because of the trickle down effect that comes with that. If you win, you sell out your building every game. If you win, you'll travel well to road games. If you win, your fans are going to be more willing to consume UCF content on non-traditional media platforms. If you win, you continue to draw high television ratings. All that means you're a money maker.

You are right about one thing. Money is the only thing that matters. If a conference is looking to expand and they determine that adding UCF over someone else like Houston or Boise or Memphis will make them more money, they'll get an invite. If they don't, they won't. That's literally it.

I have very little doubt that if UCF was pulling in Big 12 TV revenue (35M a year + whatever they could sell their secondary rights for, the would quickly become a perennial top 20 program in all sports.

[tiderulz]

If you're Oklahoma or Alabama or Ohio State or Florida and you already have 5 or 6 challenging or semi challenging conference games every year (and usually one high end OOC game against a P5) you're absolutely NOT adding the best G5 team because it doesn't benefit you that much if you win and it absolutely kills you if you lose. There's just not enough upside for those programs and way too much downside.

Bama played Louisville this year at a neutral site

[Knightro]

If you're Oklahoma or Alabama or Ohio State or Florida and you already have 5 or 6 challenging or semi challenging conference games every year (and usually one high end OOC game against a P5) you're absolutely NOT adding the best G5 team because it doesn't benefit you that much if you win and it absolutely kills you if you lose. There's just not enough upside for those programs and way too much downside.

Bama played Louisville this year at a neutral site

Louisville had already been in the ACC for multiple seasons when that game was first announced.

[MagicFan101]

UCF has openly turned down such “interview game” opportunities due to what they felt are limited immediate gains.

Leadership shares the flawed view Knightro and so many others do which is based only on today. The opportunity to be a part of expansion into ground breaking new streaming media rights 5-6 years from is the real target. Anything going on today is pocket change compared to that.

Get the games on the schedule in time to be a part of the discussion. Prove UCF is a money maker.

Winning games comes and goes. All UCF has proven is they can win games in 2017 and 2018. What does that have to do with 2025+? Absolutely nothing.

Only $$$ stands the test of time.

[PennytoShaq]

FSU had many seasons where they played USF, UM and UF all in the same season. They have consistently played the most relevant Florida schools every season and have nothing to provide there. FSU - UM was a thing years before UM joined the ACC.

They used to play UCF in the past as well. It was a long time ago, but it happened.

[Knightro]

UCF has openly turned down such “interview game” opportunities due to what they felt are limited immediate gains.

Leadership shares the flawed view Knightro and so many others do which is based only on today. The opportunity to be a part of expansion into ground breaking new streaming media rights 5-6 years from is the real target. Anything going on today is pocket change compared to that.

Get the games on the schedule in time to be a part of the discussion. Prove UCF is a money maker.

Winning games comes and goes. All UCF has proven is they can win games in 2017 and 2018. What does that have to do with 2025+? Absolutely nothing.

Only $$$ stands the test of time.

UCF simply can't ignore the here and now though. It's just not realistic. They make such a small amount of money on their television contract that home game revenue is still significantly important for a school that is forced to work on shoestrings like that.

They're not going to willingly give up ticket revenue of a home game to schedule a road game or a neutral site game in the name of trying to "impress" conferences that you yourself already admitted are only going to expand over money.

UCF playing at Oklahoma and selling out their entire road ticket allotment isn't going to change anything whatsoever. You're dramatically overestimating how much these "interview games" actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

[Knightro]

FSU had many seasons where they played USF, UM and UF all in the same season. They have consistently played the most relevant Florida schools every season and have nothing to provide there. FSU - UM was a thing years before UM joined the ACC.

They used to play UCF in the past as well. It was a long time ago, but it happened.

FSU and UCF have only played one time in their history and it was way back in 1995 when UCF was still 1-AA.

UCF has played Florida twice, both at the swamp, in 1999 and 2006.

UCF did play Miami in a home and home in 2008 and 2009.

UCF hasn't played UF, FSU or Miami at all in this decade and it isn't due to a lack of trying. Those teams won't come to Orlando and play at Spectrum Stadium and that's just a non-starter for UCF.

[PennytoShaq]

FSU had many seasons where they played USF, UM and UF all in the same season. They have consistently played the most relevant Florida schools every season and have nothing to provide there. FSU - UM was a thing years before UM joined the ACC.

They used to play UCF in the past as well. It was a long time ago, but it happened.

FSU and UCF have only played one time in their history and it was way back in 1995 when UCF was still 1-AA.

UCF has played Florida twice, both at the swamp.

UCF did play Miami in a home and home in 2008 and 2009.

UCF hasn't played UF, FSU or Miami at all in this decade and it isn't due to a lack of trying. Those teams won't come to Orlando and play at Spectrum Stadium and that's just a non-starter.

Ok, but my point is that you can’t complain about this stuff to FSU fans. We made our legacy by seeking out the best competition and plying them year after year until we built a sustainable dynasty. Even in a bad year we are still top 10 in recruiting as a result. We have nothing to gain besides some $$$ from playing USF, but we did it anyway.

I understand UCF’s issue, but I also do not believe that no one in America will play them. They absolutely can get a better schedule and simply must if they want to be taken seriously.

As a CFB fan, I would like to see them play better schools just to see the matchups. I watched the entire Memphis game and enjoyed it a lot, but I question how that defense would do against better offenses and would like to see it in a game that had playoff implications. As a result, I look forward to watching the Cincinnati and USF games.

Also, FSU plays in Orlando a lot. UCf simply needs to have those games in Camping World. They need to make stuff like that happen.

[nymets1]

I definitely thought after the 1st half of UCF vs Memphis that UCF is going to lose. But UCF played much better defense in the 2nd half and limited their yards in the 2nd half. I been waiting since the start of the season for a USF loss so UCF can pull away with the conference but if we and USF continue to stay undefeated, We can't separate from USF. But now I think about us and USF staying undefeated, Its actually good for us if USF continues to stay undefeated and have USF climb up as much as possible in the top 25. If USF can climb up to the top 15 and we stay in the top 10, It's ok to lose at USF in the last regular season game as long as we beat USF in the conference championship game to get back to one of the new year's 6 bowl games.

[Knightro]

Ok, but my point is that you can’t complain about this stuff to FSU fans. We made our legacy by seeking out the best competition and plying them year after year until we built a sustainable dynasty. Even in a bad year we are still top 10 in recruiting as a result. We have nothing to gain besides some $$$ from playing USF, but we did it anyway.

I understand UCF’s issue, but I also do not believe that no one in America will play them. They absolutely can get a better schedule and simply must if they want to be taken seriously.

As a CFB fan, I would like to see them play better schools just to see the matchups. I watched the entire Memphis game and enjoyed it a lot, but I question how that defense would do against better offenses and would like to see it in a game that had playoff implications. As a result, I look forward to watching the Cincinnati and USF games.

Also, FSU plays in Orlando a lot. UCf simply needs to have those games in Camping World. They need to make stuff like that happen.

It's not the same though.

FSU has been in the ACC for over 25 years. They have reaped major rewards, from an exposure perspective, a conference bowl game payout perspective and a TV revenue perspective. UCF has none of that financial windfall to fall back on. If they give up home games, that's SIGNIFICANT money lost for a school that isn't getting a TV windfall.

Power 5 teams make so much money on their television contracts and neutral site game payouts that they could literally not play a single home game and not lose money. When you're getting 30-40 MILLION bucks before take one snap, you can afford to do whatever you want with your schedule.

FSU will NEVER schedule a neutral site game in Orlando against UCF if they have the option of playing a P5 school instead.

Believe me, UCF is desperately trying here. The Knights will book a home and home with literally any Power 5 school in the country and about 85% of them won't even consider it.

[MagicFan101]

UCF has openly turned down such “interview game” opportunities due to what they felt are limited immediate gains.

Leadership shares the flawed view Knightro and so many others do which is based only on today. The opportunity to be a part of expansion into ground breaking new streaming media rights 5-6 years from is the real target. Anything going on today is pocket change compared to that.

Get the games on the schedule in time to be a part of the discussion. Prove UCF is a money maker.

Winning games comes and goes. All UCF has proven is they can win games in 2017 and 2018. What does that have to do with 2025+? Absolutely nothing.

Only $$$ stands the test of time.

UCF simply can't ignore the here and now though. It's just not realistic. They make such a small amount of money on their television contract that home game revenue is still significantly important for a school that is forced to work on shoestrings like that.

They're not going to willingly give up ticket revenue of a home game to schedule a road game or a neutral site game in the name of trying to "impress" conferences that you yourself already admitted are only going to expand over money.

UCF playing at Oklahoma and selling out their entire road ticket allotment isn't going to change anything whatsoever. You're dramatically overestimating how much these "interview games" actually matter in the grand scheme of things.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/next-round-college-football-realignment-look-like-nfl/amp/

No one can perfectly predict the future but it’s hard to ignore the financial struggles of non-P5 programs (as you have suggested) as well as the incredible gains soon to come with a modern media package. I believe this article captures a likely scenario of how things might shake out once current deals expire and realignment occurs.

Key points are about the cost of P5 versus FCS opponents and the, on average, insufficient return on investment in playing such games. Yes, they offer practice games to prep for bigger games but $$ speaks louder and soon these games will end.

Expansion is probably the wrong word to use as they very well could cut the fat from big conferences where many programs aren’t great football schools. Can UCF replace a Duke or Kansas or someone like that in such a scenario?

It seems like you’re fully aware of the issues but just want to shrug your shoulders and say there is nothing we can do so oh well. With SOOOOOOOO much money on the line to completely change the future of UCF for the better, I don’t understand how that can be the feeling for any true fan. Maybe it works out and maybe it doesn’t but you have to try ...

[Nemesis21]

Ok, but my point is that you can’t complain about this stuff to FSU fans. We made our legacy by seeking out the best competition and plying them year after year until we built a sustainable dynasty. Even in a bad year we are still top 10 in recruiting as a result. We have nothing to gain besides some $$$ from playing USF, but we did it anyway.

I understand UCF’s issue, but I also do not believe that no one in America will play them. They absolutely can get a better schedule and simply must if they want to be taken seriously.

As a CFB fan, I would like to see them play better schools just to see the matchups. I watched the entire Memphis game and enjoyed it a lot, but I question how that defense would do against better offenses and would like to see it in a game that had playoff implications. As a result, I look forward to watching the Cincinnati and USF games.

Also, FSU plays in Orlando a lot. UCf simply needs to have those games in Camping World. They need to make stuff like that happen.

It's not the same though.

FSU has been in the ACC for over 25 years. They have reaped major rewards, from an exposure perspective, a conference bowl game payout perspective and a TV revenue perspective. UCF has none of that financial windfall to fall back on. If they give up home games, that's SIGNIFICANT money lost for a school that isn't getting a TV windfall.

Power 5 teams make so much money on their television contracts and neutral site game payouts that they could literally not play a single home game and not lose money. When you're getting 30-40 MILLION bucks before take one snap, you can afford to do whatever you want with your schedule.

FSU will NEVER schedule a neutral site game in Orlando against UCF if they have the option of playing a P5 school instead.

Believe me, UCF is desperately trying here. The Knights will book a home and home with literally any Power 5 school in the country and about 85% of them won't even consider it.

Shows how little you know about FSU. Bobby built FSU before we joined the ACC(in 1992), by going and playing the power house teams on the road in the '70s & '80s. Michigan, USC, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Auburn, Miami, UF, Penn State, Pitt, LSU,
Ohio State, Michigan State etc etc etc

That's how we got exposure, got into a big boy conference, TV revenue, etc etc.