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jayrehme wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:So awesome that the Pels have now had two generational talents and who’ve effectively rebuilt their team and we’re excited about Chewy Okie Dokie backing AG mid season.
Outside of Zion who they won through a miracle, who else is generational?
Bakomagic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:If Ross and Vuc are not comming back this team is instant contender for worst record , probably well contested by Cavs.
This complete lack of desire to do anything with backcourt is beyond me.
This is thrid year in a row where DJ Augustin will be your starting point guard, and guy is turning 32.
Evan Fournier had worst year of his career, yet he has never felt safer about being starter, because there is simply nobody to challenge him.
This is same front office that cut Justin Jackson and Briscoe , because of injuries, to draft player that torn his ACL 6 weeks ago and who , by all odds, won't suit up until summer of 2020.
Yet they feed you with " we are lucky to get him" - Sure, same dude that was by all mocks projected to go in second round, or , at best LAAATE in first , you reached for with 16. pick.
This is not about 16 pick because nobody really cared about 16 pick, it's about their decision making and lack of moves in general.
Just like Prime Tyme said, Hawks , by having more balls, did more in year and half than Magic in 3 years. Because they are willing to move, gamble and are not too afraid to fail and be looked at like idiots.
Weltman and Hammond simply can't help themselfs. Their wingspan team is more of a medical nightmare than actual roster.
Roster filed with "their " players - Fultz, Frazier, Jackson, Iwundu, Bamba, Isaac , Okeke has horrific injury history:
Fultz - TOS
Okeke- torn ACL
Bamba- fractured leg
Isaac- huge ankle injuries through rookie year
And not a single one drafted to this point is actually really good at playing basketball.
It feels like they just want to re-create Giannis thing over and over and over again, yet ignore that they are same guys who drafted Bruno Cobocolo, Thon Maker, overpayed worst Plumlee brother, overpayed Tony Snell,overpayed John Henson, took with 17# vRashad Vaughn who lasted year and half in nba....
It's almost like a gimmick, wingspan and reach.
you like the Hawks draft ? I thought you were very down on Reddish as a prospect (my apologies if I am mistaken) ? not arguing though, cuz I like their draft too.
I think it also takes balls to take the player you want at 16 when most other people believe he can be had later in the draft, my opinion is that you go get your guy. I do agree with you about our GM's willingness to go after injury risk guys and how that can be dangerous. I guess with not having picks in the top 3 they believe that is the best way to find a diamond later in the draft, risky strategy but I like them being aggressive.
I'm confused that you feel Okeke is not really good at basketball ? I am assuming you are saying he is lacking skills cuz you lumped him in with other guys who you have said the same about in the past. Okeke has been a good shooter, a good scorer in the post, and is said to have a high Basketball IQ.
pepe1991 wrote:Bakomagic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:If Ross and Vuc are not comming back this team is instant contender for worst record , probably well contested by Cavs.
This complete lack of desire to do anything with backcourt is beyond me.
This is thrid year in a row where DJ Augustin will be your starting point guard, and guy is turning 32.
Evan Fournier had worst year of his career, yet he has never felt safer about being starter, because there is simply nobody to challenge him.
This is same front office that cut Justin Jackson and Briscoe , because of injuries, to draft player that torn his ACL 6 weeks ago and who , by all odds, won't suit up until summer of 2020.
Yet they feed you with " we are lucky to get him" - Sure, same dude that was by all mocks projected to go in second round, or , at best LAAATE in first , you reached for with 16. pick.
This is not about 16 pick because nobody really cared about 16 pick, it's about their decision making and lack of moves in general.
Just like Prime Tyme said, Hawks , by having more balls, did more in year and half than Magic in 3 years. Because they are willing to move, gamble and are not too afraid to fail and be looked at like idiots.
Weltman and Hammond simply can't help themselfs. Their wingspan team is more of a medical nightmare than actual roster.
Roster filed with "their " players - Fultz, Frazier, Jackson, Iwundu, Bamba, Isaac , Okeke has horrific injury history:
Fultz - TOS
Okeke- torn ACL
Bamba- fractured leg
Isaac- huge ankle injuries through rookie year
And not a single one drafted to this point is actually really good at playing basketball.
It feels like they just want to re-create Giannis thing over and over and over again, yet ignore that they are same guys who drafted Bruno Cobocolo, Thon Maker, overpayed worst Plumlee brother, overpayed Tony Snell,overpayed John Henson, took with 17# vRashad Vaughn who lasted year and half in nba....
It's almost like a gimmick, wingspan and reach.
you like the Hawks draft ? I thought you were very down on Reddish as a prospect (my apologies if I am mistaken) ? not arguing though, cuz I like their draft too.
I think it also takes balls to take the player you want at 16 when most other people believe he can be had later in the draft, my opinion is that you go get your guy. I do agree with you about our GM's willingness to go after injury risk guys and how that can be dangerous. I guess with not having picks in the top 3 they believe that is the best way to find a diamond later in the draft, risky strategy but I like them being aggressive.
I'm confused that you feel Okeke is not really good at basketball ? I am assuming you are saying he is lacking skills cuz you lumped him in with other guys who you have said the same about in the past. Okeke has been a good shooter, a good scorer in the post, and is said to have a high Basketball IQ.
I don't like Reddish, i just like how they menaged to boost up whole rebuild by simply making lot of moves.
I don't think Okeke is bad player, i think that player that has torn ACL, on roster behind :
$18M a year Gordon
and one year away from new contract Isaac
will never get fair chance to become anything more than 17 -22 mpg guy.
And in same time Magic , in this moment have 2 and half guards on their roster, yet menagment isn't really bothered by it.
Bakomagic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Bakomagic wrote:
you like the Hawks draft ? I thought you were very down on Reddish as a prospect (my apologies if I am mistaken) ? not arguing though, cuz I like their draft too.
I think it also takes balls to take the player you want at 16 when most other people believe he can be had later in the draft, my opinion is that you go get your guy. I do agree with you about our GM's willingness to go after injury risk guys and how that can be dangerous. I guess with not having picks in the top 3 they believe that is the best way to find a diamond later in the draft, risky strategy but I like them being aggressive.
I'm confused that you feel Okeke is not really good at basketball ? I am assuming you are saying he is lacking skills cuz you lumped him in with other guys who you have said the same about in the past. Okeke has been a good shooter, a good scorer in the post, and is said to have a high Basketball IQ.
I don't like Reddish, i just like how they menaged to boost up whole rebuild by simply making lot of moves.
I don't think Okeke is bad player, i think that player that has torn ACL, on roster behind :
$18M a year Gordon
and one year away from new contract Isaac
will never get fair chance to become anything more than 17 -22 mpg guy.
And in same time Magic , in this moment have 2 and half guards on their roster, yet menagment isn't really bothered by it.
Fair points.
It's also interesting that our front office will have rookies (!st rounders) for three years now that will kind of "Red shirt" (sit out) part of their rookie years and i'm not sure Bamba and Isaac necessarily needed to sit out as many games as they did (Medically).
Maybe the strategy is to slowly let these guys acclimate to being a professional and work on whatever skills they need to strengthen coming in to the league I.E. Strength, mechanics, or conditioning. I guess we will se how long they hold off Okeke.
Trust the process ?
Bakomagic wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:So awesome that the Pels have now had two generational talents and who’ve effectively rebuilt their team and we’re excited about Chewy Okie Dokie backing AG mid season.
I think you need to take a ride on the vehicle in your avatar.
tiderulz wrote:jayrehme wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:So awesome that the Pels have now had two generational talents and who’ve effectively rebuilt their team and we’re excited about Chewy Okie Dokie backing AG mid season.
Outside of Zion who they won through a miracle, who else is generational?
AD
Blue_and_Whte wrote:tiderulz wrote:jayrehme wrote:
Outside of Zion who they won through a miracle, who else is generational?
AD
Thanks. I didn’t think anyone needed their hand held to figure this out. What in the actual f***
jayrehme wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:tiderulz wrote:AD
Thanks. I didn’t think anyone needed their hand held to figure this out. What in the actual f***
obvious misread of have vs HAD. What else do you guys have to whine about?
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Bakomagic wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:So awesome that the Pels have now had two generational talents and who’ve effectively rebuilt their team and we’re excited about Chewy Okie Dokie backing AG mid season.
I think you need to take a ride on the vehicle in your avatar.
Sorry..Thats reserved for liberals. It runs on their tears so the tank is full. Hope on.
MoMM wrote:Cool, bringing Birch back will be helpful, even if it's to be a future asset.
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:MoMM wrote:Cool, bringing Birch back will be helpful, even if it's to be a future asset.
Don't expect him back if Vuc re signs.. Hear Philly is interested in Birch as cheap but capable backup
ezzzp wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
If the answer wasn’t so long winded I’d believe they already know who they are bringing back if there are offers in place.
