GelbeWand09 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:GelbeWand09 wrote:This doesnt mean i dont want Beal lol. I would love him here & we could cover a lot of his weaknesses. I just say, Gobert got a bigger impact to winning than Beal.
I'm pretty sure every advanced stat back this up.
Isaac isn't Gobert. One of biggest strenght of Gobert is elite screening. For pass 3 years he is leading league in screen assists.
His eFG% in pick&roll as rolling man is 62%. As he is top 10 player in points scored off pick&roll.
in mean time, Isaac is still being ignored on offense and left wide open all the time. And does not play pick&roll.
I like Gobert, but if i want to nitpick, he is player with stiff legs that is pretty much usless in situations where he is not allowed to screen. Also on defense he gets exposed with high pick&roll action , and best evidence of it is Utah playoff record.
3 times his teams are being whooped by teams that have elite ballhandlers that lure him out. His kryptonite is James Harden and spread pick&roll with handoffs
They just forced him ( for two yeras in a row ) to run more than he can , and to defend space, that he lacks awarness to do.
I compared there impact on defense, which is similar not style. Gobert is even a better rimprotector, but Isaac covers much more ground on defense. All advance stats show Isaac is on Goberts level or even better so far.
3 times Gobert is ''whooped'' by maybe the best team ever & maybe the best team that didn't won a championship. You can't really blame him for that. I mean i said he is better than Beal and not Michael Jordan or LeBron James. Its not like he lost to the Celtics or The Raptors with DeRozan
Btw yea Stackhouse was the topscorer of a second round Pistons team. But that was a joke anyway. I know Beal is a better player. Just show you that counting stats doesnt mean much. Even more when Washington plays with higher pace, than almost all teams since the 70's. Beals career high is .152 ws/48 (Gobert career avg .218). Thats not the stat of a elite player, no matter what his counting stats are. If that correlates with not winning much, even more.
But again, Beal is a legit All-star i would love him here, but he is still not a elite player, when Gobert isnt one & a lot empty stats.
So you just admited that elite defender and elite defensive team can't even be competitive against elite offensive team.
Houston, 17th "best" ( 13th worst) defense last year, wracked 1# defensive team in a league , in uncompetitive series.
Game one , Houston by 32.
Game two , Houston by 20.
Game three, Houston by 4
Game five, Houston by 7
Year before
Game one, Houston by 14
Game three, Houston by 21
Game four, Houston by 13
Game five, houston by 10
Margin of victory for Houston was by 15 points at average.
If defense is really THAT important than Isaac and Gordon, often praised as top tear defenders, would keep Siakam and Leonard on low percentages in playoffs. Reality? Well they combined for 51 ppg on 53% FG and 60% effective field goal percentage.
NBA is simple league. Best two offensive players are always runaway favorite for title. Curry and Durant, Shaq and kobe, Wade and Lebron. Do you really think that Gobert and Isaac would be favorites to win it all if they play together? It seems you do, since that's your stand ,you hype defense like it's most improtant thing in basketball, and it's simply false, and Magic and Jazz are best example why.
Maybe if NBA isn't league where you can do 4 steps layups, where foul baiting and flopping isn't allowed, where superstar calls are not thing, defense would be most important thing, but NBA is as much of a show as it is sport, so in any series where on one side you have James Harden and on other you have Gobert, Harden will always win, if not by any other way, than by shooting 35 free throws. That's reality.
Penalizing Beal for " not winning" and hyping Isaac who shot 25% FG in playoffs on 6 ppg is laughable, as he was complete no factor in that series on both ends and you know that. Also acting like Beal didn't have to play with Jabari, Jeff Green, Ariza and Bobby Portis, who all are 15 mpg players on good teams is just playing ignorant. Especially because we know how 25 mpg of Jeff Green looks like.
Beal will be traded withing next year, and team, probably contender that gets him, will be exponentially better team by adding him.
Beal in 2016-17 was THE best Wizards player, and when he had supporting cast ( healthy Wall, Bogdanovic,Porter, Morris) they won 49 games, in second round they lost in game 7 to Celtics, team that was 1# in standings on East, won most games, and who had incredible emotional charge in one of crazies atmospheres in game 7 ever, as Thomas played after his little sister died.
I like Gobert, but let's face it, it's easier to find rim protecting C than 25-5-5 guy. Knicks found one in second round, Gobert also was second round pick, Nerlens Noel can be your poor - man Gobert. For that reasons i would take offensive talent over any defender every time.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon
I know we have different opponions about offense & defense. At least you try to explain your oppinion with some real stats.
