2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

pepe1991 · Post #1701 » by **pepe1991** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:33 pm

Knightro wrote:I have no problem drafting Anthony Black. I think he's a good enough prospect to pick at 6.

I know he has size and should be able to handle it defensively, but I cannot stress how much I do not want him pigeonholed into a SG/SF role just to get him on the court early in his career.

He needs to play with the ball offensively to maximize his passing and ability to draw fouls. Planting him in the corner while Cole runs and 1/5 pick and roll with Goga is a complete waste.

Imo he is better suited to play SF than PG anyway.

I think he, much like Simmons, Giddey can create some offense and is gifted passer in certain situations, but imo his pick&roll will always be limited due fact that he doesn't manouver screens, can't really pop , doesn't have that exstra speed burst to attack defenders off wrong foot or create significant adventage off burst.

To me Black is more Nic Batum than some new 6'7 ultra tall PG. Guy with great court vision, good positional defense, good passing, but not guy that you will give ball and trust running offense through. Tbh i haven't seen single big full time NBA PG since Magic Johnson. Maybe Lebron, if you count him at PG :dontknow:

They all have same issues.

VFX · Post #1702 » by **VFX** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:37 pm

I like Black way more than the Thompsons. He can guard 3 positions and gets to the line already at a very high clip. His data translates better to being able to improve his shot.

The-Stallion70 · Post #1703 » by **The-Stallion70** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:43 pm

Now Hollinger's mock has us taking Ausar. Are we really going to add another non-shooter?

I still prefer trade but I like the guys at 11.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if we took Hendricks at 6.

GelbeWand09 · Post #1704 » by **GelbeWand09** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:44 pm

At 6 i hope for a high upside pick:
Ausar (high 2 way potential & positional flexibility + 3P% & volume improved over the season)
Black (bad fit but like him as a player & even if they dont trade Fultz immediately, its at least a sign they arent as married to him as i fear they are / Without Fultz he would be my No.1)
Hendricks (Really like that playertype / But want him only if we go for upside at No.11)
Cam (A lotta Red flags but high potential)

At 11: Bufkin, Hendricks if he falls, Bilal if we go super conservative at 6 (Dick, Walker, Hendricks), Wallace, Dick / Hawkins (only when we go upside at 6)

Don't want anything to do with Lively or Walker (like the player but hate the fit)

Worst case & the scenario i expect is Hendricks/Walker at 6 and No.11 traded for a future top 10-14 protected pick.

In case we keep both: Boring & low chance to find at least a 3rd fringe All-star
Hendricks/Walker + Dick/Hawkins/Lively

Post #1705 » by **eyriq** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:44 pm

MagicMatic wrote:I like Black way more than the Thompsons. He can guard 3 positions and gets to the line already at a very high clip. His data translates better to being able to improve his shot.

Yes. If it happens that we take Black I'm all aboard. I see shades of Kemba Walker on offense and Bruce Brown on defense.

The-Stallion70 · Post #1706 » by **The-Stallion70** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:45 pm

eyriq wrote:I'm prepared for Suggs|Black|Dick

I am also rooting for Black/Dick!!

OrlandoNed · Post #1707 » by **OrlandoNed** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:46 pm

I don’t know how some of you can see another perimeter player with a questionable jump shot and get excited over it. We’ve seen this movie for a decade and it always plays out the same way.

I know most of the guys that are projected around #6 fit that description but I’m so over drafting players with the same issues as the guy he will be replacing on the current roster.

Post #1708 » by **Knightro** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:48 pm

thelead wrote:That's my guy and I have a feeling he's going 4 or 5 now.

I don't think there's a chance he goes 5 with Detroit already having Cade and Ivey from the last two drafts.

I could maybe see Black at 4, but the Rockets seem to like Amen a lot.

If he goes 4, the Magic would probably just pick Amen at 6, right?

Petre1978 · Post #1709 » by **Petre1978** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:48 pm

Creativetran wrote:Today was the first time I read anything about Cams medical report issues too, wonder what they are.

Which issues?

basketballRob · Post #1710 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:51 pm

Petre1978 wrote:
Creativetran wrote:Today was the first time I read anything about Cams medical report issues too, wonder what they are.

Which issues?

He broke his tibia twice as a freshman in high school. One doctor said he'd never play again, according to his father.

Paul George had the same injury.

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Post #1711 » by **Knightro** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:52 pm

MagicMatic wrote:I like Black way more than the Thompsons. He can guard 3 positions and gets to the line already at a very high clip. His data translates better to being able to improve his shot.

I just don't see a whole lot of difference between Black and the Thompsons other than the twins being a year older.

Black's probably better defensively right now, but the twins are both longer and way more explosive than Black so theoretically they could be even better than him on that end down the road.

I don't necessarily think there's indicators that Black's shooting will be better either after he only shot 30.1% from 3PT and 70.5% from the FT line.

None of the three project to be good shooters anytime soon.

Post #1712 » by **Def Swami** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:54 pm

Knightro wrote:Worth noting that three pretty reputable mock drafters (O'Connor, Wasserman, Hollinger) all have Whitmore slipping to 9th now.

Some red flag popped up. I wonder what it was.

basketballRob · Post #1713 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 3:55 pm

Wasserman did say that it was only a guess and that Cam could go higher.

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89Magicfan · Post #1714 » by **89Magicfan** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:03 pm

Trade for Scoot...Trade for Scoot!

VFX · Post #1715 » by **VFX** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:03 pm

Knightro wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:I like Black way more than the Thompsons. He can guard 3 positions and gets to the line already at a very high clip. His data translates better to being able to improve his shot.

I just don't see a whole lot of difference between Black and the Thompsons other than the twins being a year older.

Black's probably better defensively right now, but the twins are both longer and way more explosive than Black so theoretically they could be even better than him on that end down the road.

I don't necessarily think there's indicators that Black's shooting will be better either after he only shot 30.1% from 3PT and 70.5% from the FT line.

None of the three project to be good shooters anytime soon.

Who do you take between AB and Ausar?

Post #1716 » by **Knightro** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:05 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Imo he is better suited to play SF than PG anyway.

I think he, much like Simmons, Giddey can create some offense and is gifted passer in certain situations, but imo his pick&roll will always be limited due fact that he doesn't manouver screens, can't really pop , doesn't have that exstra speed burst to attack defenders off wrong foot or create significant adventage off burst.

To me Black is more Nic Batum than some new 6'7 ultra tall PG. Guy with great court vision, good positional defense, good passing, but not guy that you will give ball and trust running offense through. Tbh i haven't seen single big full time NBA PG since Magic Johnson. Maybe Lebron, if you count him at PG They all have same issues.

If this is the reality and he's destined to be a wing that is just a high level playmaker on the wing, then candidly I wouldn't draft him.

My interest in Black (and Amen) goes way way down if he is unable to be an on-ball point guard.

Orl_Magic · Post #1717 » by **Orl_Magic** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:12 pm

Black is hyped so much on this board but I don't see why. His shooting numbers are bad and didn't improve as the season went on. Paolo and Franz are still going to be seeing double teams if we draft this guy. Teams are going to sag off him and dare him to shoot 3s just like they did to Elfrid Payton and Markelle.

thelead · Post #1718 » by **thelead** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:15 pm

Orl_Magic wrote:Black is hyped so much on this board but I don't see why. His shooting numbers are bad and didn't improve as the season went on. Paolo and Franz are still going to be seeing double teams if we draft this guy. Teams are going to sag off him and dare him to shoot 3s just like they did to Elfrid Payton and Markelle.

He and Hendricks are who I prefer but I wouldn't hesitate to admit that Black is a bad fit currently. If his shot develops, then there are no problems... the question is, what do you want with your #6 lotto pick? Fit or BPA?

thelead · Post #1719 » by **thelead** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:16 pm

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:That's my guy and I have a feeling he's going 4 or 5 now.

I don't think there's a chance he goes 5 with Detroit already having Cade and Ivey from the last two drafts.

I could maybe see Black at 4, but the Rockets seem to like Amen a lot.

If he goes 4, the Magic would probably just pick Amen at 6, right?

If Amen is available at 6, I guess you have to take him and hope for the best.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1720 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:18 pm

thelead wrote:
Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:That's my guy and I have a feeling he's going 4 or 5 now.

I don't think there's a chance he goes 5 with Detroit already having Cade and Ivey from the last two drafts.

I could maybe see Black at 4, but the Rockets seem to like Amen a lot.

If he goes 4, the Magic would probably just pick Amen at 6, right?

If Amen is available at 6, I guess you have to take him and hope for the best.

nope no way i'm seeing what I can get to move back. That dude has 3 hitches in his shot and it starts at his waist, there's no fixing that uglyness.