Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[drsd]

AG is now 6 years in the league. 6 years dedicating himself to a profession, 6 years with NBA coaching. and we still talk about him getting a jump shot? we need to give up on the idea that he will be a good shooter. it would have happened by now

To quote me, "... results are what matters." Gordon is not producing at the level he expects for himself. With that, there is no way he would think we fans would be pleased with his game.


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[BlueBlazer]

AG is now 6 years in the league. 6 years dedicating himself to a profession, 6 years with NBA coaching. and we still talk about him getting a jump shot? we need to give up on the idea that he will be a good shooter. it would have happened by now

Not saying you’re wrong but Millsap didn’t have an effective long shot until age 25. Brook Lopez took like 7 years in the league to add one.

[zaymon]

AG is now 6 years in the league. 6 years dedicating himself to a profession, 6 years with NBA coaching. and we still talk about him getting a jump shot? we need to give up on the idea that he will be a good shooter. it would have happened by now

Not saying you’re wrong but Millsap didn’t have an effective long shot until age 25. Brook Lopez took like 7 years in the league to add one.

Both of them didnt even try to shoot for many years, while Gordon is shooting on high volume from ages.

[drsd]

Both of them didnt even try to shoot for many years, while Gordon is shooting on high volume from ages.

Gordon has spent the last three summers trying to develop a long-game. In practice, he is a very, very good shooter.
But game-time, .....

[BlueBlazer]

Both of them didnt even try to shoot for many years, while Gordon is shooting on high volume from ages.

Gordon has spent the last three summers trying to develop a long-game. In practice, he is a very, very good shooter.
But game-time, .....

So are you saying he’ll never be capable of decent 3 point shooting compared to others who just hadn’t realized they had the capability to improve?

[Skybox]

2 years ago, he was a respectable 3pt shooter...wait until he lands on a better team and he goes 39%

[pepe1991]

Both of them didnt even try to shoot for many years, while Gordon is shooting on high volume from ages.

Gordon has spent the last three summers trying to develop a long-game. In practice, he is a very, very good shooter.
But game-time, .....

So are you saying he’ll never be capable of decent 3 point shooting compared to others who just hadn’t realized they had the capability to improve?

He went from complete no shooter to below average one, not terrible, but not very good. That's his develomental curve.

But curve has limitations, if it doesn't, by age of 30 every player would be Klay Thompson. But that is not case.
Lopez is also very average shooter minus one year, overall he gets more wide open 3s as result of playing strach 5 and playing with 2 allstars.

I think lot of good coaches would argue coach Buld underused his post game in playoffs when pace got super slow and he could operate inside more, especially because their regular season scheme flat out did not work

[Blue_and_Whte]

Saw this yesterday. Do not know if this actually has any legs but I like what we get in this trade.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/09/21/nba-rumors-kyle-lowry-could-land-with-bucks-in-potential-three-team-deal-with-raptors-and-magic/

So we would basically be trading our pick for Donte DiVincenzo? Presumably the motivation would be to have a backup wing if Ross has to move in the SL?

Surely we wouldn't regard DiVincenzo as a legitimately potential starter?

I like it. Of course I was a fan of DiVincenzo's game. Decent shooter and defender

[zaymon]

Both of them didnt even try to shoot for many years, while Gordon is shooting on high volume from ages.

Gordon has spent the last three summers trying to develop a long-game. In practice, he is a very, very good shooter.
But game-time, .....

So are you saying he’ll never be capable of decent 3 point shooting compared to others who just hadn’t realized they had the capability to improve?

Gordon is below average free throw shooter, has not touch around the rim, is atrocious midrange shooter, is not a fluid athlete and has shot on high volume most of his carrier. There are basically no indicators that he will improve. Actually it propably speaks about his work ethic that he is sligthly below average shooter right now.

[tiderulz]

Saw this yesterday. Do not know if this actually has any legs but I like what we get in this trade.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/09/21/nba-rumors-kyle-lowry-could-land-with-bucks-in-potential-three-team-deal-with-raptors-and-magic/

So we would basically be trading our pick for Donte DiVincenzo? Presumably the motivation would be to have a backup wing if Ross has to move in the SL?

Surely we wouldn't regard DiVincenzo as a legitimately potential starter?

I like it. Of course I was a fan of DiVincenzo's game. Decent shooter and defender

he's 32% from 3, i wouldnt necessarily call that "decent"

[The Effect]

Saw this yesterday. Do not know if this actually has any legs but I like what we get in this trade.

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/09/21/nba-rumors-kyle-lowry-could-land-with-bucks-in-potential-three-team-deal-with-raptors-and-magic/

So we would basically be trading our pick for Donte DiVincenzo? Presumably the motivation would be to have a backup wing if Ross has to move in the SL?

Surely we wouldn't regard DiVincenzo as a legitimately potential starter?

I like it. Of course I was a fan of DiVincenzo's game. Decent shooter and defender

Im a big fan of divincenzo, and i like the trade FOR US, but the raptors are getting WAY too much back for lowry

[Skybox]

So we would basically be trading our pick for Donte DiVincenzo? Presumably the motivation would be to have a backup wing if Ross has to move in the SL?

Surely we wouldn't regard DiVincenzo as a legitimately potential starter?

I like it. Of course I was a fan of DiVincenzo's game. Decent shooter and defender

Im a big fan of divincenzo, and i like the trade FOR US, but the raptors are getting WAY too much back for lowry

I like Divincenzo and MAYBE we strike gold at 24 but I think I'd rather take a swing at 15...a guy like Hampton or Kira Lewis or Nesmith could have a much higher upside than a solid Divincenzo. He might get better but right now, IMO, he's not even a starter.

[Catledge]

I think the #15 for a player of Divincenzo's ability isn't a horribly unbalanced trade, but it doesn't really fill a need for the Magic. If it were a player of similar ability that brought playmaking and/or shooting at the cost of deficiencies in other areas, that might make some sense to me.

[MagicFan101]

It looks more and more official that Buddy Hield is not staying in Sac-town.

I would love to grab him and then use #15 on a backup PG who can shoot or a versatile F with offensive talent ... given Hield would cost us AG and Isaac is out for a year.

[Def Swami]

It looks more and more official that Buddy Hield is not staying in Sac-town.

I would love to grab him and then use #15 on a backup PG who can shoot or a versatile F with offensive talent ... given Hield would cost us AG and Isaac is out for a year.

If Fournier opts in, the Fournier for Hield deal might be something that works for both teams. I posted some time ago how Fournier grew up a Kings fan and he tweeted about how it was a dream to be in the Kings locker room back in January when the Magic played the Kings. Fournier allows the Kings to save money and get from under the Hield contract. For us, I consider Hield to be an upgrade over Fournier. Fournier is a nice player, but I think Hield has higher potential to have bigger games on a night to night basis, he's a career 41% shooter from 3, and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

I agree. Hield will be traded and I think he's the kind of player the Magic should try to poach. His trade value will never be lower and the trade is inevitable. Now would be the time to try to buy low on him.

[MagicFan101]

It looks more and more official that Buddy Hield is not staying in Sac-town.

I would love to grab him and then use #15 on a backup PG who can shoot or a versatile F with offensive talent ... given Hield would cost us AG and Isaac is out for a year.

If Fournier opts in, the Fournier for Hield deal might be something that works for both teams. I posted some time ago how Fournier grew up a Kings fan and he tweeted about how it was a dream to be in the Kings locker room back in January when the Magic played the Kings. Fournier allows the Kings to save money and get from under the Hield contract. For us, I consider Hield to be an upgrade over Fournier. Fournier is a nice player, but I think Hield has higher potential to have bigger games on a night to night basis, he's a career 41% shooter from 3, and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

I agree. Hield will be traded and I think he's the kind of player the Magic should try to poach. His trade value will never be lower and the trade is inevitable. Now would be the time to try to buy low on him.

If the swapped Evan for Hield ...

Without giving up the #15 pick!?

Wow ... I would ... wow ...

[pepe1991]

Evan and Hield are basically same players. One just has potentially 1 year left on his $17M a year contract,other just starts his ugly 4 years $106M one, while being glorified spot up shooter.
He does have bit better 3% than Evan, but draws no fouls whatsoever. So only "adventage" he has over Evan equals out quickly.

Much like Evan he isn't great defender, he isn't that great as ballhandler.

He makes more sense for a team that has established 2 stars, to make him spot up target -treat. On Magic, he will get exposed as he will be expected to be, much like Evan, second scoring option, and we know for fact, looking at Sacramento, that he , as 1# or 2# option will never lead team anywhere.
Main reason why he is being shopped around is ugly contract and fact Bogdan Bogdanovic can easly replace him. Did it alreaedy.

This is litearlly type of trade where you trade career 14 ppg, 56% TS player (21% usage rate) for career 16 ppg, 56% TS player on 24% usage rate. Definition of latheral move.

Only argument is having him long term, but even that isn't really plus. That is 28 years old guard who provides almost nothing but shooting locked on contract like he is allstar.

On top of that, this trade isn't even possible : Magic have to attach additional $7 000 000 to trade even be possible. So Isaac, Bamba or there is no trade.

[zaymon]

I dont get fascination with Hield. He is a reserve on a bad team while Fournier is starter on average team. Evan is bigger and better defender, better ball handler and passer while being worse spot up shooter. One would think swaping Fournier and Hield is the worst possible move regarding skill set. You dont pay spot up shooter without defense 100M+ its crazy. I would want some real assets to take him from Kings

[MoMM]

And we are not getting younger, because both have basically the same age.

[basketballRob]

I dont get fascination with Hield. He is a reserve on a bad team while Fournier is starter on average team. Evan is bigger and better defender, better ball handler and passer while being worse spot up shooter. One would think swaping Fournier and Hield is the worst possible move regarding skill set. You dont pay spot up shooter without defense 100M+ its crazy. I would want some real assets to take him from Kings

Fournier is garbage in the playoffs and kills team play.

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