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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1741 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Yesterday 12:35 am

Bensational wrote: My hunch says OKC repeat what the 70 win Warriors did and flunk out of the playoffs this year, then send all their picks to Milwaukee for Giannis.


They might not even have to send a boatload of picks tbh.

A package of Williams and Holmgren is one of the strongest returns for an aging star player in a very long time, the Bucks would be silly to turn that down.

And OKC keeps most of their picks and has Shai/Giannis death combo for the next few years, raises their ceiling x10 fold.

People should hope OKC wins again this season because OKC has enough assets to go after any single player in the NBA if became available. Literally any.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1742 » by BadMofoPimp » Yesterday 12:44 am

JoshuaPotter wrote:
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Skybox wrote:The Paolo for Giannis discussion is a good one...


Not really.

The way Giannis plays he is past his prime similar to Embiid, who is basically out of the league already.

I’d understand some kind of discussion if we were talking about a player that would 100% change Orlando’s system offensively like a Maxey, Booker, Markkenan situation. A Paolo for Giannis move would be a gift to Milwaukee and a long term downgrade for Orlando.

I’d rather they just develop Paolo correctly.


Add to that, and I don't see our team makeup as good enough to his prior teams that won a championship. I think Giannis would be a great addition and would help us short term but what will we do when the flaws in our roster construction come up? Well be in the same position MIL was.


Bucks have young players like Suggs, Black & Bane, not to mention TDS?
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1743 » by BadMofoPimp » Yesterday 12:47 am

Will have to play it out til near trade deadline and see if Paolo acclimates and how the team looks. Will be interesting either way. I prefer Paolo but wouldn't be displeased with the return.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1744 » by MasterGMer » Yesterday 12:51 am

JoshuaPotter wrote:
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Skybox wrote:The Paolo for Giannis discussion is a good one...


Not really.

The way Giannis plays he is past his prime similar to Embiid, who is basically out of the league already.

I’d understand some kind of discussion if we were talking about a player that would 100% change Orlando’s system offensively like a Maxey, Booker, Markkenan situation. A Paolo for Giannis move would be a gift to Milwaukee and a long term downgrade for Orlando.

I’d rather they just develop Paolo correctly.


Add to that, and I don't see our team makeup as good enough to his prior teams that won a championship. I think Giannis would be a great addition and would help us short term but what will we do when the flaws in our roster construction come up? Well be in the same position MIL was.


No, MIL won't come close to the young talent as Orlando has. We can put up a great package and possibly win that. The problem for us is FRPs we can not trade because of the Stepien Rule. Then we have to go to a third team.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1745 » by eyriq » Yesterday 12:54 am

Knightro wrote:
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Bergmaniac wrote:Giannis is still in his prime, he is averaging 29 PPG on absurd 64 FG% while his team's second best offensive player is...I don't even know who, probably Ryan Rollins, a second round draft pick who barely played in his first two years in the league. He'd be a massive upgrade over Paolo in the next several years.
Paolo will be better within two seasons, this would be a terrible trade.

Edit: Giannis is injury prone and exiting his prime while Paolo is two seasons away from the start of his prime. It's an absurd trade idea.


I can safely say Paolo will never be better than Giannis is right this moment.

Like not even close.

You’d basically have a legitimate 3 year title window if you flipped Paolo for Giannis.


We don’t even have to argue in the abstract here. Just line up the timelines.

You’re talking about 31–36 year old Giannis versus 23–28 year old Paolo. I’m betting hard on 25-year-old Paolo over 33-year-old Giannis, and I’d expect that gap to widen every year after. By 2030, the total value Paolo will have given you over that whole slab almost certainly dwarfs what Giannis gives you over the same stretch.

That’s before you even factor in Paolo’s third contract and the flexibility/value that comes with having your franchise guy entering his prime instead of trying to squeeze the last elite years out of someone exiting it.

Trading that entire arc for a maybe-3-year window with an aging, increasingly banged-up Giannis is bad asset management.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1746 » by BadMofoPimp » Yesterday 1:23 am

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Paolo will be better within two seasons, this would be a terrible trade.

Edit: Giannis is injury prone and exiting his prime while Paolo is two seasons away from the start of his prime. It's an absurd trade idea.


I can safely say Paolo will never be better than Giannis is right this moment.

Like not even close.

You’d basically have a legitimate 3 year title window if you flipped Paolo for Giannis.


We don’t even have to argue in the abstract here. Just line up the timelines.

You’re talking about 31–36 year old Giannis versus 23–28 year old Paolo. I’m betting hard on 25-year-old Paolo over 33-year-old Giannis, and I’d expect that gap to widen every year after. By 2030, the total value Paolo will have given you over that whole slab almost certainly dwarfs what Giannis gives you over the same stretch.

That’s before you even factor in Paolo’s third contract and the flexibility/value that comes with having your franchise guy entering his prime instead of trying to squeeze the last elite years out of someone exiting it.

Trading that entire arc for a maybe-3-year window with an aging, increasingly banged-up Giannis is bad asset management.


Shades of Hennigan and Ibaka.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1747 » by Knightro » Yesterday 1:26 am

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Paolo will be better within two seasons, this would be a terrible trade.

Edit: Giannis is injury prone and exiting his prime while Paolo is two seasons away from the start of his prime. It's an absurd trade idea.


I can safely say Paolo will never be better than Giannis is right this moment.

Like not even close.

You’d basically have a legitimate 3 year title window if you flipped Paolo for Giannis.


We don’t even have to argue in the abstract here. Just line up the timelines.

You’re talking about 31–36 year old Giannis versus 23–28 year old Paolo. I’m betting hard on 25-year-old Paolo over 33-year-old Giannis, and I’d expect that gap to widen every year after. By 2030, the total value Paolo will have given you over that whole slab almost certainly dwarfs what Giannis gives you over the same stretch.

That’s before you even factor in Paolo’s third contract and the flexibility/value that comes with having your franchise guy entering his prime instead of trying to squeeze the last elite years out of someone exiting it.

Trading that entire arc for a maybe-3-year window with an aging, increasingly banged-up Giannis is bad asset management.


It really boils down to two things IMO.

How realistic do you think an NBA championship would be in the next 3 years with Giannis as the team's best player?

How realistic do you think an NBA championship will EVER be with Paolo as the team's best player?
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1748 » by Knightro » Yesterday 1:28 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I can safely say Paolo will never be better than Giannis is right this moment.

Like not even close.

You’d basically have a legitimate 3 year title window if you flipped Paolo for Giannis.


We don’t even have to argue in the abstract here. Just line up the timelines.

You’re talking about 31–36 year old Giannis versus 23–28 year old Paolo. I’m betting hard on 25-year-old Paolo over 33-year-old Giannis, and I’d expect that gap to widen every year after. By 2030, the total value Paolo will have given you over that whole slab almost certainly dwarfs what Giannis gives you over the same stretch.

That’s before you even factor in Paolo’s third contract and the flexibility/value that comes with having your franchise guy entering his prime instead of trying to squeeze the last elite years out of someone exiting it.

Trading that entire arc for a maybe-3-year window with an aging, increasingly banged-up Giannis is bad asset management.


Shades of Hennigan and Ibaka.


Yeah... minus the fact that Ibaka had already trended into a bad player when Orlando acquired him and Giannis is still very much a top 3 player in the entire world?
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#1749 » by eyriq » Yesterday 1:44 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I can safely say Paolo will never be better than Giannis is right this moment.

Like not even close.

You’d basically have a legitimate 3 year title window if you flipped Paolo for Giannis.


We don’t even have to argue in the abstract here. Just line up the timelines.

You’re talking about 31–36 year old Giannis versus 23–28 year old Paolo. I’m betting hard on 25-year-old Paolo over 33-year-old Giannis, and I’d expect that gap to widen every year after. By 2030, the total value Paolo will have given you over that whole slab almost certainly dwarfs what Giannis gives you over the same stretch.

That’s before you even factor in Paolo’s third contract and the flexibility/value that comes with having your franchise guy entering his prime instead of trying to squeeze the last elite years out of someone exiting it.

Trading that entire arc for a maybe-3-year window with an aging, increasingly banged-up Giannis is bad asset management.


It really boils down to two things IMO.

How realistic do you think an NBA championship would be in the next 3 years with Giannis as the team's best player?

How realistic do you think an NBA championship will EVER be with Paolo as the team's best player?
Paolo's stock is ridiculously low right now. Even still, he's ranked 28th by the ringer, 5th among players 23 or younger. Just a year ago he was ranked 8th in trade value rankings, in the same tier as Giannis who was ranked 6th.

Trading Paolo now during this dip in value would be a massive mistake.
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Post#1750 » by MasterGMer » Yesterday 2:04 am

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:
We don’t even have to argue in the abstract here. Just line up the timelines.

You’re talking about 31–36 year old Giannis versus 23–28 year old Paolo. I’m betting hard on 25-year-old Paolo over 33-year-old Giannis, and I’d expect that gap to widen every year after. By 2030, the total value Paolo will have given you over that whole slab almost certainly dwarfs what Giannis gives you over the same stretch.

That’s before you even factor in Paolo’s third contract and the flexibility/value that comes with having your franchise guy entering his prime instead of trying to squeeze the last elite years out of someone exiting it.

Trading that entire arc for a maybe-3-year window with an aging, increasingly banged-up Giannis is bad asset management.


It really boils down to two things IMO.

How realistic do you think an NBA championship would be in the next 3 years with Giannis as the team's best player?

How realistic do you think an NBA championship will EVER be with Paolo as the team's best player?
Paolo's stock is ridiculously low right now. Even still, he's ranked 28th by the ringer, 5th among players 23 or younger. Just a year ago he was ranked 8th in trade value rankings, in the same tier as Giannis who was ranked 6th.

Trading Paolo now during this dip in value would be a massive mistake.


Trade value is never what the media or fans perceived. It is done by the professionals whose jobs are to run the teams.

I bet. All the metrics and stats have been better. Then his value or trade value is going to increase.

I honestly do not think it would change that much in recent span
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Post#1751 » by eyriq » Yesterday 2:08 am

I'm curious what we think his age curve looks like.

Peak: 24-29
Plateau: 30-32
Gradual decline: 33-35+
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Post#1752 » by Knightro » Yesterday 2:18 am

eyriq wrote:Paolo's stock is ridiculously low right now. Even still, he's ranked 28th by the ringer, 5th among players 23 or younger. Just a year ago he was ranked 8th in trade value rankings, in the same tier as Giannis who was ranked 6th.

Trading Paolo now during this dip in value would be a massive mistake.


You're also talking about subjective things (The Ringer's trade value rankings) that don't actually MEAN anything.
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Post#1753 » by MasterGMer » Yesterday 2:19 am

eyriq wrote:I'm curious what we think his age curve looks like.

Peak: 24-29
Plateau: 30-32
Gradual decline: 33-35+


You don't want hoist those trophies in the upcoming 3 to 4 years? :D
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Post#1754 » by Knightro » Yesterday 2:22 am

eyriq wrote:I'm curious what we think his age curve looks like.

Peak: 24-29
Plateau: 30-32
Gradual decline: 33-35+


He's averaging a career best in TS% and AST% at age 30/31.

He's "plateaued" from being top 3 player in the league to a top 3 player in the league :lol:
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Post#1755 » by eyriq » Yesterday 2:22 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Paolo's stock is ridiculously low right now. Even still, he's ranked 28th by the ringer, 5th among players 23 or younger. Just a year ago he was ranked 8th in trade value rankings, in the same tier as Giannis who was ranked 6th.

Trading Paolo now during this dip in value would be a massive mistake.


You're also talking about subjective things (The Ringer's trade value rankings) that don't actually MEAN anything.
I'm using those as "unbiased" reads on player value. Not my "homer" take but a 3rd party view.
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Post#1756 » by eyriq » Yesterday 2:23 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:I'm curious what we think his age curve looks like.

Peak: 24-29
Plateau: 30-32
Gradual decline: 33-35+


He's averaging a career best in TS% and AST% at age 30/31.

He's "plateaued" from being top 3 player in the league to a top 3 player in the league
What I provided is a typical curve. Is he LeBron/Durant or Shaq/Dwight?
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Post#1757 » by eyriq » Yesterday 2:24 am

MasterGMer wrote:
eyriq wrote:I'm curious what we think his age curve looks like.

Peak: 24-29
Plateau: 30-32
Gradual decline: 33-35+


You don't want hoist those trophies in the upcoming 3 to 4 years? :D
We have a contender right now and the core is locked up for the next 5 seasons. I'm chilling.
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Post#1758 » by Knightro » Yesterday 2:38 am

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:I'm curious what we think his age curve looks like.

Peak: 24-29
Plateau: 30-32
Gradual decline: 33-35+


He's averaging a career best in TS% and AST% at age 30/31.

He's "plateaued" from being top 3 player in the league to a top 3 player in the league
What I provided is a typical curve. Is he LeBron/Durant or Shaq/Dwight?


Dwight was already significantly worse than his apex by the time he was age 30/31.

Giannis is as good right now as he's ever been.

Shaq is actually a fun comparison. The Lakers traded him away after his age 31 season.

In his age 32 season, he was 1st team All-NBA and 2nd in MVP voting. Miami lost in the East Finals in 7 games.

In his age 33 season, he was 1st team All-NBA again and the Heat won the title.
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Post#1759 » by eyriq » Yesterday 3:06 am

Good insight into Paolo as a culture changer

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Post#1760 » by drsd » Yesterday 3:33 am

All these Antetokounmpo for Banchero editorials are really silly. Banchero is on 15M this season; Antetokounmpo over 50M. To make the trade work salary wise, only adding F-Wagner makes the salaries match.

Umm: Orlando is not trading both Banchero and F-Wagner. Let's try reality please.

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