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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1761 » by T-DOT KEEZY » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:19 pm

BCS wrote:So, yes Rob is a puppet and does what his bosses tell him to do just like any employee in any job. So let's fire him, what does that do? They just hire another puppet to later blame again for example Divac in Sacramento getting blamed for the Cousins deal, that was the owner making that deal but Divac as the GM is taking all the blame for it because that is his job, you can tell Divac didn't want to make that trade but it is what it is.

The problem here is not Rob, it's the people higher up calling the shots. Regrettably firing Rob does nothing for the organization as long as ownership stays the same.

As I said last yr Hennigan was never a shot caller with SAS and was brought in to be an errand boy.
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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1762 » by drsd » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:19 pm

Jahlil Okafor (Philadelphia 76ers) for Mario Hezonja and future first round pick


This is an interesting trade for Orlando. It certainly means Vučević must be traded. Payton/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Okafor is an interesting starting five to bring in to the next season. There is balance. But for me it is not a great defensive team. At least there is scoring.


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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1763 » by PrimeThyme » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:25 pm

drsd wrote:
Jahlil Okafor (Philadelphia 76ers) for Mario Hezonja and future first round pick


This is an interesting trade for Orlando. It certainly means Vučević must be traded. Payton/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Okafor is an interesting starting five to bring in to the next season. There is balance. But for me it is not a great defensive team. At least there is scoring.


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Doesn't move the needle for us. We just traded Ibaka to help clear the log jam. No point in creating another one
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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1764 » by Nemesis21 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:27 pm

PrimeShaq wrote:
drsd wrote:
Jahlil Okafor (Philadelphia 76ers) for Mario Hezonja and future first round pick


This is an interesting trade for Orlando. It certainly means Vučević must be traded. Payton/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Okafor is an interesting starting five to bring in to the next season. There is balance. But for me it is not a great defensive team. At least there is scoring.


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Doesn't move the needle for us. We just traded Ibaka to help clear the log jam. No point in creating another one


Also if it's not one of their 2017 picks, then no thanks.
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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1765 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:28 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
T-DOT KEEZY wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
Bingo. Lowe's comment wasn't anything new.


If Rob does not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for himself and leave that is on him.

He has now put himself in a situation where he will never get another GM job....


Weird bonus fact of the day while things are slow.....

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John Gabriel
John Weisbrod
Dave Twardzik
Otis Smith


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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1766 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:29 pm

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PrimeShaq wrote:
drsd wrote:
This is an interesting trade for Orlando. It certainly means Vučević must be traded. Payton/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Okafor is an interesting starting five to bring in to the next season. There is balance. But for me it is not a great defensive team. At least there is scoring.


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Doesn't move the needle for us. We just traded Ibaka to help clear the log jam. No point in creating another one


Also if it's not one of their 2017 picks, then no thanks.

What is proposed deal is quoted has ORL throwing in a future pick. HARD PASS.
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Post#1767 » by Jameerthefear » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:30 pm

ZeusIsLoose wrote:I have a feeling that as long as Martins is around, Magic will never be good.

I don't think greasy hair would push around a veteran GM like Kupchack. Could be somewhere we could look. He isn't perfect either though

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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1768 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:34 pm

PrimeShaq wrote:
drsd wrote:
Jahlil Okafor (Philadelphia 76ers) for Mario Hezonja and future first round pick


This is an interesting trade for Orlando. It certainly means Vučević must be traded. Payton/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Okafor is an interesting starting five to bring in to the next season. There is balance. But for me it is not a great defensive team. At least there is scoring.


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Doesn't move the needle for us. We just traded Ibaka to help clear the log jam. No point in creating another one

I don't see how that's interesting at all. Nik is a better defender, rebounder, shooter, and passer than Okafor. How does this make any sense for Orlando? We literally have a better version of Okafor right now. Geezus people. smh

BCS wrote:So, yes Rob is a puppet and does what his bosses tell him to do just like any employee in any job. So let's fire him, what does that do? They just hire another puppet to later blame again for example Divac in Sacramento getting blamed for the Cousins deal, that was the owner making that deal but Divac as the GM is taking all the blame for it because that is his job, you can tell Divac didn't want to make that trade but it is what it is.

The problem here is not Rob, it's the people higher up calling the shots. Regrettably firing Rob does nothing for the organization as long as ownership stays the same.

This is spot on. I'm not sure what firing Hennigan actually does except create more instability and turnover on a team that desperately needs stability. I'm not against firing him, but I'm not all in just because there's a possibility that he's not being allowed to actually run the team. I just think Martins needs to go because we'll see the same BS regardless of who we have as a GM.
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The Trade Thread II 

Post#1769 » by PrimeThyme » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:41 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
PrimeShaq wrote:
drsd wrote:
This is an interesting trade for Orlando. It certainly means Vučević must be traded. Payton/Fournier/Ross/Gordon/Okafor is an interesting starting five to bring in to the next season. There is balance. But for me it is not a great defensive team. At least there is scoring.


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Doesn't move the needle for us. We just traded Ibaka to help clear the log jam. No point in creating another one

I don't see how that's interesting at all. Nik is a better defender, rebounder, shooter, and passer than Okafor. How does this make any sense for Orlando? We literally have a better version of Okafor right now. Geezus people. smh

Yeah I think Okafor still has that appeal for people since he was the 3rd overall pick but Vuc is the better overall player at this stage in his career. There would be no point in attaching a first rounder to go and get him either. We already have a better option
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Post#1770 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:44 pm

Jameerthefear wrote:
ZeusIsLoose wrote:I have a feeling that as long as Martins is around, Magic will never be good.

I don't think greasy hair would push around a veteran GM like Kupchack. Could be somewhere we could look. He isn't perfect either though

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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1771 » by npiper17 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:05 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
T-DOT KEEZY wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:
Bingo. Lowe's comment wasn't anything new.


If Rob does not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for himself and leave that is on him.

He has now put himself in a situation where he will never get another GM job....


Weird bonus fact of the day while things are slow.....

No Orlando Magic general manger has ever gotten another GM job after leaving/stepping down/being fired from the Magic.

Pat Williams
John Gabriel
John Weisbrod
Dave Twardzik
Otis Smith


True but some context is needed:

Pat Williams - moved to team president role
John Gabriel - hired to head up scouting by the Knicks. Unable to pursue GM job due to onset of Parkinson's Disease.
John Weisbrod - resigned to take up hockey executive position
Dave Twardzik - wasn't GM
Otis Smith - wanted to take time away from the game after the Dwightmare. Got offered a job with GS and turned it down. Hired to coach dleague team by SVG.

I take your point though.
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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1772 » by glennathan » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:16 pm

npiper17 wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:
T-DOT KEEZY wrote:
If Rob does not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for himself and leave that is on him.

He has now put himself in a situation where he will never get another GM job....


Weird bonus fact of the day while things are slow.....

No Orlando Magic general manger has ever gotten another GM job after leaving/stepping down/being fired from the Magic.

Pat Williams
John Gabriel
John Weisbrod
Dave Twardzik
Otis Smith


True but some context is needed:

Pat Williams - moved to team president role
John Gabriel - hired to head up scouting by the Knicks. Unable to pursue GM job due to onset of Parkinson's Disease.
John Weisbrod - resigned to take up hockey executive position
Dave Twardzik - wasn't GM
Otis Smith - wanted to take time away from the game after the Dwightmare. Got offered a job with GS and turned it down. Hired to coach dleague team by SVG.

I take your point though.


I wish we had John Gabriel around to work with Hennigan. I still think he was the best GM we have had in this organization
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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1773 » by Nemesis21 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:17 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
Nemesis21 wrote:
PrimeShaq wrote:Doesn't move the needle for us. We just traded Ibaka to help clear the log jam. No point in creating another one


Also if it's not one of their 2017 picks, then no thanks.

What is proposed deal is quoted has ORL throwing in a future pick. HARD PASS.



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Post#1774 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:29 pm

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rcklsscognition wrote:A lot of defense for a guy who hasn't drafted a single above average player in his entire 5 years with our organization and whiffed on every single late draft pick where he could have stolen a talented player. A lot of defense for the 1 gm in the entire league who thought it would be a good idea to go big in an era of perimeter scoring guards. A lot of defense for a GM who may wind up next summer with none of the players he has drafted even on our roster. A lot of defense for a GM who burned through 4 coaches in 5 years.

But let's let him keep trading, and shuffling, and buying time. Let's let him and his useless scouts continue to scout and prep our team for the last hope we have of turning it around this decade.

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A lot of attacks on a guy who had a lot of bad luck and unfortunate situations thrown in his lap. Don't get me wrong, Hennigan deserves criticism and should probably get the axe this summer. But let's not act like he was given a golden goose and threw it away.


Sure he's had some bad luck when it comes to the lottery but sometimes you have to make your own luck.

Throughout his tenure we've seen talent traded for seemingly pennies on the dollar (IT, Bledsoe, Lowry, Cousins, Batum, Hill)

We've seen talent drafted in the middle of the first round (Giannis, McCollum, LaVine, Booker, Turner)

We've seen talent drafted later in the draft (Draymond, Jokic, Middleton, Gobert)

We've seen talent get picked up off the scrap heap (Whiteside)

(All names above were off the top of my head I am sure I'm missing some)

Sure you can go name by name and tell me why we wouldn't be able to acquire said player.. But the point still stands: there have opportunities to acquire superior talent outside of solely hoping for a top draft pick and Hennigan has failed to do so.

His tenure has not been terrible but not being Billy King is not enough to last beyond 5 seasons on the job.
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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1775 » by Rick Rolled » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:31 pm

npiper17 wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:
T-DOT KEEZY wrote:
If Rob does not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up for himself and leave that is on him.

He has now put himself in a situation where he will never get another GM job....


Weird bonus fact of the day while things are slow.....

No Orlando Magic general manger has ever gotten another GM job after leaving/stepping down/being fired from the Magic.

Pat Williams
John Gabriel
John Weisbrod
Dave Twardzik
Otis Smith


True but some context is needed:

Pat Williams - moved to team president role
John Gabriel - hired to head up scouting by the Knicks. Unable to pursue GM job due to onset of Parkinson's Disease.
John Weisbrod - resigned to take up hockey executive position
Dave Twardzik - wasn't GM
Otis Smith - wanted to take time away from the game after the Dwightmare. Got offered a job with GS and turned it down. Hired to coach dleague team by SVG.

I take your point though.


Tons of context is needed here. I'm sure some of these guys could have gotten another GM job if they wanted it.

Although I will say, Twardzik was technically co-GM with Otis for one season before stepping into an assistant GM role.
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Post#1776 » by TreasureCoast » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:33 pm

Hennigan deserves to be fired, Alex Martins deserves to be fired MORE! Simple as that.

You hire people for thier expertise and you let them do thier job. We will never have success hiring yes men, and we will never have a high caliber GM who truly runs the show as long as Martins is here.

My solution to fixing this team is simply fire Martins and any other known or unknown authority behind the scenes who has influenced basketball decisions, keep Hennigan and let him and his staff run the show 100%.

We all know what really happend with the Skiles hire and subsequent Tobias trade, that trade has direct parrelles with the Cousins trade, other GMs upset they didnt get a phone call obviously because the CEO's golden boy wanted his past players just like the Vivek forcing Divac to ignore phone calls and pursue Heild. WE ARE THE SACRAMENTO KINGS PEOPLE!!!
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Re: The Trade Thread II 

Post#1777 » by glennathan » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:49 pm

By no means have I or will I ever claim to have "sources" for trade info but I have had two friends text me today saying they are reading about Orlando and Sacramento discussing Payton for Mclemore.

I can't find it anywhere online has anyone else read or heard about this from anywhere?
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The Trade Thread II 

Post#1778 » by PrimeThyme » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:53 pm

TreasureCoast wrote:Hennigan deserves to be fired, Alex Martins deserves to be fired MORE! Simple as that.

You hire people for thier expertise and you let them do thier job. We will never have success hiring yes men, and we will never have a high caliber GM who truly runs the show as long as Martins is here.

My solution to fixing this team is simply fire Martins and any other known or unknown authority behind the scenes who has influenced basketball decisions, keep Hennigan and let him and his staff run the show 100%.

We all know what really happend with the Skiles hire and subsequent Tobias trade, that trade has direct parrelles with the Cousins trade, other GMs upset they didnt get a phone call obviously because the CEO's golden boy wanted his past players just like the Vivek forcing Divac to ignore phone calls and pursue Heild. WE ARE THE SACRAMENTO KINGS PEOPLE!!!

100% agree. This is my exact feelings. Bad organizations let people that have no business being involved with basketball decisions be involved with basketball decisions. We are Sacramento east at this point. I don't see that changing anytime soon either. Martins seems to still have full backing from ownership.

Martins, like our fan base, will continue to use our GM and future GM as the scapegoat and fall guy when the real source of the problem is him && that problem dosent look like it's getting fixed anytime soon.
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Post#1779 » by rcklsscognition » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:55 pm

glennathan wrote:By no means have I or will I ever claim to have "sources" for trade info but I have had two friends text me today saying they are reading about Orlando and Sacramento discussing Payton for Mclemore.

I can't find it anywhere online has anyone else read or heard about this from anywhere?


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Post#1780 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:55 pm

glennathan wrote:By no means have I or will I ever claim to have "sources" for trade info but I have had two friends text me today saying they are reading about Orlando and Sacramento discussing Payton for Mclemore.

I can't find it anywhere online has anyone else read or heard about this from anywhere?


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