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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
111
51%
Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
1
0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
Total votes: 216

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1761 » by IllMagic04 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:32 pm

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jonbob17 wrote:Final wants.

1. Trade for 3, 17, Plus (draft Paolo)
2. Trade for 2 and 12 (Jabari)
3. Magic take their guy at 1, because they are 100% that is the guy, and they don't want to mess around.

I've flip flopped on all three guys. TBH, i think there is plenty of value in Paolo already being so good at so many things. All three guys have a lot of projection.

We'd be banking on Jabari getting much better off the dribble, at the rim, and as a passer. I think he will get better, and his floor as a shooter/defender is already so valuable.

If Paolo was a better defender, he is probably the consensus #1 by a wide margin. He shot 34% from 3 (3 attempts per game) and 73% from the line (5 attempts per game), seems like he will eventually shoot it well enough. 35% from 3 is fine, and should open up his offensive game. His footwork is so good on offense, I don't see why he can't be a good defender, or at least an average one.

I think for Chet to be his best he has to play the 5, and there are plenty of question marks, and plenty of development that will be required. The shot blocking is extremely valuable especially paired with his unique skillset (dribbling, shooting, and passing).

I fully expect the Magic to make their pick and get their guy, but if it were me, I think the top 3 are close enough, and i could be easily talked into any of these 3 guys as the top pick, so why not pick up additional rolls of the dice.

I was reading an article yesterday that has said the odds on Jabari as the first pick are all the way back down to around -150, which equates to around 61% chance in the eyes of the bettors/books. Which would indicate that the Magic have done a great job of keeping their mouth shut, and the bettors and the rest of the League do not know what We are going to do.


The issue is that those trades are off the table because our front office's infatuation with Jabari seems to be the worst kept secret in the NBA. Nobody is going to trade up if they know they can get their guy where they are. We can forget about any of that talk about our front office being very secretive. The NBA draft lottery happened on the 17th of May and it seemed to be generally accepted around the league that Jabari was our guy before the end of the combine (May 22).

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If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.

I think that's my read of the situation.

There aren't too many good reasons for Banchero to not work out for the Magic. Only plausible one I can think of is Houston became infatuated with Banchero and Banchero became infatuated with Houston. Houston told Banchero they were going to take him at #3. Orlando tipped their hand to the league and Houston told Banchero the only reason the Magic would work him out is to use it as leverage against Houston in a potential trade down to #3 to gain another asset. To protect themselves, I'm sure Houston told Banchero to just shut it down and wait for his name to be called at #3. Banchero hears the chatter about Orlando being in love with Smith and he's probably content with Houston, doesn't want to waste his time with a workout that he feels is meaningless, and doesn't want to compromise the leverage of his future team in Houston.

The unanimous feeling among the NBA media that we were going to take Smith from lottery night onwards in a 3 player draft was awkward. Smith might end up the best player, but I feel like they may have mismanaged the situation.


Could be true. I just tend to not believe any of this stuff. The reality is we have the number one pick which is the golden ticket to get your guy. We control the draft. Rather he works out for us or not doesn't matter. Even if we don't pick Paolo OKC might. They are another team that keeps everything close to chest. The only way to guarantee they get their guy is to trade to number 1. So this scenario still doesn't guarantee they get their guy IF thats Banchero. Which also might not even be true.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1762 » by Nyce_1 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:44 pm

Sooo hear me out.

*IF* the rumor of not Chet sharing his medicals is true, that may explain the activity over the last few days

- Hou trying to trade up (don't want Chet risk and main guys gone by then)
- teams trying to get #4 (dont mind Chet risk; he'sa homerun swing)
- Paolo's Vegas odds changed
- Jeff looking so stressed because can he take someone without medicals? Maybe he's underwhelmed by Jabari and Paolo ducking workouts.

I'm just spitballing, but *IFFFFF* true, it does explain some things. Who do you draft?
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1763 » by Skybox » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:02 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Sooo hear me out.

*IF* the rumor of not Chet sharing his medicals is true, that may explain the activity over the last few days

- Hou trying to trade up (don't want Chet risk and main guys gone by then)
- teams trying to get #4 (dont mind Chet risk; he'sa homerun swing)
- Paolo's Vegas odds changed
- Jeff looking so stressed because can he take someone without medicals? Maybe he's underwhelmed by Jabari and Paolo ducking workouts.

I'm just spitballing, but *IFFFFF* true, it does explain some things. Who do you draft?


IF any or all of this stuff is remotely true...it sure is nice to be at #1! Worst scenario...turn your phone off and draft Jabari (many feel that's the best scenario anyway). If there is ANY medical doubts (and I'll say I doubt any of this BS about medical records or heart tests are true), there's nowhere near enough separation between Chet and the pack to take that chance.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1764 » by The-Stallion70 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:31 pm

What is going on now, we might take Paolo? I see the odds still favor Jabari but Paolo has pulled ahead of Chet now in the draft odds.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1765 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:33 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:What is going on now, we might take Paolo? I see the odds still favor Jabari but Paolo has pulled ahead of Chet now in the draft odds.
Jabari's at -330 and rising. It feels like he's going to be the pick.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1766 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:43 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:What is going on now, we might take Paolo? I see the odds still favor Jabari but Paolo has pulled ahead of Chet now in the draft odds.


I think the Vegas oddsmakers read our posts here. I mean with every new *sources* we post here( whether true or not ) is the same frequency with how their odds changes. Lol
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1767 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:45 pm

Skip Bayless weighs in on Jabari and Chet.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/play-5bc93dc190006a3?s=09

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1768 » by PrimeThyme » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:52 pm

Xatticus wrote:If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.

It would be borderline comedy if this ends up being the case.

Mostly because Weltman waltz’s into every interview and touts about how tight lipped and closed off his basketball operations department is. && now that he has the 1st overall major leaks within the organization happen.

It’s always been my issue with him. He tends to think he’s smarter than everyone else and is playing 8D chess, when in reality he’s been pretty damn average at best and the NBA kind of has him figured out.

I do think the Jabari smoke is a bit too much to ignore at this point. I’ve dug my heels in with Chet being their pick, but I’m starting to waiver pretty big time on that prediction. It would be a pretty embarrassing look for the franchise. Especially since the Sacramento kings of all organizations have managed to drum up serious interest in their pick with the amount of smoke screens they’ve sent out despite it sitting outside the top 3.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1769 » by Hoopslife » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:59 pm

Hate when they use the Memphis game against Chet. He completely dominated Duran and would have had a massive game if not for 3 absolutely horrific calls by the ref. Instead the story Skip is spitting is that he couldn't handle their bigs. Did these people even watch that game? Probably not.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1770 » by lt175 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:12 pm

There can be no leaks and the Magic still drafting Jabari Smith because that´s who they want.
As far as the betting odds, it´s useless to watch them until the last few hours before the draft.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1771 » by tiderulz » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:26 pm

Hoopslife wrote:Hate when they use the Memphis game against Chet. He completely dominated Duran and would have had a massive game if not for 3 absolutely horrific calls by the ref. Instead the story Skip is spitting is that he couldn't handle their bigs. Did these people even watch that game? Probably not.

he played good to great defense all year against bigs. but his offense tanked a lot vs in those games, maybe because he was tired from the defense. and NBA now more about skills than brute strength.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1772 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:33 pm

wow... I just can't... this ish is too funny.

One day we had an interview/sources where PB worked out for us, then the next day another source said PB was putting off working out for us.

Two days ago we had Chet giving us his medicals and yesterday another said he didn't give us and OKC his medicals?

All these smoke...
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1773 » by IllMagic04 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:50 pm

RookieStar wrote:wow... I just can't... this ish is too funny.

One day we had an interview/sources where PB worked out for us, then the next day another source said PB was putting off working out for us.

Two days ago we had Chet giving us his medicals and yesterday another said he didn't give us and OKC his medicals?

All these smoke...


Yea it would be pretty anti climatic if the top 3 just went Jabari, Holmgren, Banchero with no trades.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1774 » by KillMonger » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:04 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Hoopslife wrote:Hate when they use the Memphis game against Chet. He completely dominated Duran and would have had a massive game if not for 3 absolutely horrific calls by the ref. Instead the story Skip is spitting is that he couldn't handle their bigs. Did these people even watch that game? Probably not.

he played good to great defense all year against bigs. but his offense tanked a lot vs in those games, maybe because he was tired from the defense. and NBA now more about skills than brute strength.
Chet is very skilled imo

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1775 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:41 pm

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RookieStar wrote:wow... I just can't... this ish is too funny.

One day we had an interview/sources where PB worked out for us, then the next day another source said PB was putting off working out for us.

Two days ago we had Chet giving us his medicals and yesterday another said he didn't give us and OKC his medicals?

All these smoke...


Yea it would be pretty anti climatic if the top 3 just went Jabari, Holmgren, Banchero with no trades.


Most FO would want that but we fans probably prefer a couple of 5 team mega trade on draft night complete with woj bombs.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1776 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:10 pm

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Post#1777 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:42 am

Chet has more fpg than mpg..
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1778 » by orlando_joe » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:57 am

IllMagic04 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:wow... I just can't... this ish is too funny.

One day we had an interview/sources where PB worked out for us, then the next day another source said PB was putting off working out for us.

Two days ago we had Chet giving us his medicals and yesterday another said he didn't give us and OKC his medicals?

All these smoke...


Yea it would be pretty anti climatic if the top 3 just went Jabari, Holmgren, Banchero with no trades.


would be fine with me...
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1779 » by VFX » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:27 am

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Xatticus wrote:If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.

It would be borderline comedy if this ends up being the case.

Mostly because Weltman waltz’s into every interview and touts about how tight lipped and closed off his basketball operations department is. && now that he has the 1st overall major leaks within the organization happen.

It’s always been my issue with him. He tends to think he’s smarter than everyone else and is playing 8D chess, when in reality he’s been pretty damn average at best and the NBA kind of has him figured out.

I do think the Jabari smoke is a bit too much to ignore at this point. I’ve dug my heels in with Chet being their pick, but I’m starting to waiver pretty big time on that prediction. It would be a pretty embarrassing look for the franchise. Especially since the Sacramento kings of all organizations have managed to drum up serious interest in their pick with the amount of smoke screens they’ve sent out despite it sitting outside the top 3.


Totally agree.

I just have this sneaking suspicion Jabari isn’t the pick. I couldn’t tell you why exactly, but this FO always does the opposite of what people expect them to do.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1780 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:36 am

Jabari will be the pick and provem all wrong!!!
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