Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[FFBlitzace]

I'm kind of a stubborn Ntilikina homer, since I drafted him last year in a keeper league. I'd like to get him if the price is right. It's not like his shot looks terrible, it just doesn't go in. Which is a problem, but I'm just sayin.

[MoMM]

Elf was traded for a high 2nd rounder and hes better than Frank, so honestly wouldnt offer anything more than a future 2nd rounder for him

Elf was also in the league for 3.5 seasons and hadn't improved much. Frank is much younger and just started his 2nd season.

Not much better.

Yes, he haven't improved much, but still managed to average 11/4/6 with some triple-doubles in Orlando, it's not like he is a total scrub.

[Driguez]

Frank over Fultz every day of the week. At least Frank has shown he's a capable defender.

[OrlandO]

No interest in frank. A project PG is the last thing Gordon, Bamba and Isaac need.

[IllMagic04]

Ntilikina checks all the boxes. Long arms with no offense. Exactly what we need

[The Effect]

Elf was traded for a high 2nd rounder and hes better than Frank, so honestly wouldnt offer anything more than a future 2nd rounder for him

Elf was also in the league for 3.5 seasons and hadn't improved much. Frank is much younger and just started his 2nd season.

elf after 1.5 years was better than frank at that point
elf in year 2
10.7\6.4\3.6 shooting 43/36/59
Great? Not by a long shot, but much MUCH better than what frank has done at any point in his career

Hell, talk about not improving, check every stat from last year to this year and the only thing that improved from frank is Free throws, thats it!
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4230547/frank-ntilikina

Again, not anyone i would give up more than a future 2nd rounder for

[OrlandoDream]

Ntkilita is all smokescreen. There is no way we bring in another PG that cant shoot. Magic are going for another target and using Ntkilita to throw off trade talks. NBA trade season 101

[Skybox]

I'd be intrigued by Frank...but not as the PG savior we're hunting...just a versatile backcourt piece. Lockdown defender - WAS considered a shooter...I'd take an inexpensive shot.

[pepe1991]

This year Harris is low key better than Oladipo and fringe allstar.
This aint fluke, 20 games in ,21,4 ppg ,8,8 rpg ,2,0 apg, 52%FG, 43% for 3, 82% FTs , guy has been monster and best player on team that has 14-6 record and holds 2# on West.

Both him and Dipo would be massive upgrades for Magic roster.

People use individual stats to form too many broad opinions. If Tobias was still here his stats would not look like that. He'd be the 3rd wheel on the Evan and Vuc Show...and people would be talking about how much he's plateaued. Oladipo would be in a time share with Fournier... and they'd be BS'ing each other about how much they enjoy playing together.

Wanna know why Tobias's scoring efficiency is up? He's got free reign and a situation that is ideal for him being surrounded by floor spacers and defenders. He doesn't play D, but he doesn't have to.

PG Patrick Beverley
SG Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
SF Danilo Gallinari
PF Tobias Harris
C Boban Marjanovic

They are in 1st place and looking like a prime destination for Kawhi next year.

Magic are dumb. Stuck on thinking that an offensive minded C who plays no defense can lead their team. It's ass backwards.

Evan and Harris played what? 3 -4 years together? Harris always shot ball more times except last year when Skiles took over and had his fingers all over that dumpster trade. ( if you know his relationship with Harris when he was on Bucks you'll understand).

Wanna know why Tobias's scoring efficiency is up? He's got free reign and a situation that is ideal for him being surrounded by floor spacers and defenders. He doesn't play D, but he doesn't have to.

His team is 8th in def rating. ( Magic are 19# just for a record). His defensive rating of 105,9 is greater than Gordon's 106,5.
In general whole notion that he is bad defender never held any value because it was never backed up by anything but subjective eye test of you or whoever repeated that notion 143536 times.
He is not winning any DPOY awards any time soon but he is average/bit above average defender more than bad one.
His efficiency went up in Detroit. He simply got better as player , would probably happen with Magic because minus that 2016 he always player with progressive improvments every year of his career.

Stuck on thinking that an offensive minded C who plays no defense can lead their team.

Actually most stats point that Vučević is second best defender on team behind Isaac.


Problem with your posts in general ( not personal attack on you ,just observation) is that you push your agenda that has no legs , or you can back it up by anything, yet you pretend it's a gospel and factual. For last 3 years you keep beating same "Vučević suck" agenda when guy literally plays like freaking allstar.



I actually like you as poster ,and i have zero desire to start some feud or fight , i just pointed out that Harris is really good player that Magic trashed for nothing and that he is having incredible season. That's all.

[Skin]

This year Harris is low key better than Oladipo and fringe allstar.
This aint fluke, 20 games in ,21,4 ppg ,8,8 rpg ,2,0 apg, 52%FG, 43% for 3, 82% FTs , guy has been monster and best player on team that has 14-6 record and holds 2# on West.

Both him and Dipo would be massive upgrades for Magic roster.

People use individual stats to form too many broad opinions. If Tobias was still here his stats would not look like that. He'd be the 3rd wheel on the Evan and Vuc Show...and people would be talking about how much he's plateaued. Oladipo would be in a time share with Fournier... and they'd be BS'ing each other about how much they enjoy playing together.

Wanna know why Tobias's scoring efficiency is up? He's got free reign and a situation that is ideal for him being surrounded by floor spacers and defenders. He doesn't play D, but he doesn't have to.

PG Patrick Beverley
SG Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
SF Danilo Gallinari
PF Tobias Harris
C Boban Marjanovic

They are in 1st place and looking like a prime destination for Kawhi next year.

Magic are dumb. Stuck on thinking that an offensive minded C who plays no defense can lead their team. It's ass backwards.

Evan and Harris played what? 3 -4 years together? Harris always shot ball more times except last year when Skiles took over and had his fingers all over that dumpster trade. ( if you know his relationship with Harris when he was on Bucks you'll understand).

Wanna know why Tobias's scoring efficiency is up? He's got free reign and a situation that is ideal for him being surrounded by floor spacers and defenders. He doesn't play D, but he doesn't have to.

His team is 8th in def rating. ( Magic are 19# just for a record). His defensive rating of 105,9 is greater than Gordon's 106,5.
In general whole notion that he is bad defender never held any value because it was never backed up by anything but subjective eye test of you or whoever repeated that notion 143536 times.
He is not winning any DPOY awards any time soon but he is average/bit above average defender more than bad one.
His efficiency went up in Detroit. He simply got better as player , would probably happen with Magic because minus that 2016 he always player with progressive improvments every year of his career.

Stuck on thinking that an offensive minded C who plays no defense can lead their team.

Actually most stats point that Vučević is second best defender on team behind Isaac.


Problem with your posts in general ( not personal attack on you ,just observation) is that you push your agenda that has no legs , or you can back it up by anything, yet you pretend it's a gospel and factual. For last 3 years you keep beating same "Vučević suck" agenda when guy literally plays like freaking allstar.

I actually like you as poster ,and i have zero desire to start some feud or fight , i just pointed out that Harris is really good player that Magic trashed for nothing and that he is having incredible season. That's all.

No worries. I got no problem with the fact that the Harris trade value was crap. I was always of the opinion that we waited too long to trade him. I wanted to trade him before the trade deadline during the season where he was about to enter RFA. Once we got there with him, it was too late. It became, "We can't lose him for nothing" so we paid up.

It was a terrible time because on top of giving him a big new contract, we spent the #5 pick on Hezonja AND we already had the #4 pick, AG not getting any minutes. The overlap and redundancy was bad for us.

If you're saying he's having a nice season then fine. He had nice seasons here too. But what's your point? That we should've kept him? That we should sit here wishing he was still here? You cannot plug a players stats from one team and automatically expect it to translate to another in exactly the same way.

I don't need to show stats to prove my points. Stats are misleading when people try to make their points. This is what you constantly try to do. Like you suggesting that Vuc is the second best defender on the team. Will you go as far as saying he's the second most talented defender on the roster? I don't need stats to tell me that would be a lie.

I genuinely like you as a poster too. You noticed that I do And1 you. But your opinions have made your name a meme around here and not in a good way.

You can keep believing that Evan and Vuc are going to lead us to a title, and I'll keep hoping we move on. I'm totally comfortable with that.

[Def Swami]

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[bargnanimvp]

Ntkilita is all smokescreen. There is no way we bring in another PG that cant shoot. Magic are going for another target and using Ntkilita to throw off trade talks. NBA trade season 101

Wouldn't be surprised if knicks are shopping him and we showed interest and they've leaked it to try and raise his value. I imagine our interest is low though. I can't see anyone giving up anything of value for him, difference with him and other draft picks who struggle too is that frank hasn't really ever done anything it's not like he had a stellar college career and is struggling in the nba or has had limited minutes or anything like that he's just never done anything.

[RookieStar]

Let is see..

long arms
athletic
defensive-minded
cant shoot
susoect handling
screams project

yup def a WeHam choice

[VFX]

People are aware Frank turned 20 in July right? He’s far from a finished project.

[RookieStar]

If all it took is a 2nd rounder or even our OKC pick plus Grant.. then why not?

[X_O_Z]

There are inside sources in the lakers camp that they are working on a package to get Anthony Davis which include a third team which is Orlando Magic...check it out.




If it happens, than so be it. Lonzo Ball could be a really good PG if it wasn't for the fact his play style does not work well with Lebron James. Lonzo Ball needs the ball at all times, but because Lebron controls the gameplay almost all the time, this neglets ball from doing the majority of ball handling and leadership. If this requires to give up Vuc so we can get a possible PG of the future for our franchise. Than we are looking at it like this.

1. Lonzo
2. Fournier
3. AG
4. Isaac
5. Bamba.

The 2nd spot is still up for grabs , but down the line we can get a SG through free agency and cement a possible lineup for years to come.

I wouldn't mind this, however, VUC is playing some of his best basketball of his entire career and through him alone is keeping us in the play off picture. What you guys think?

[bargnanimvp]

There are inside sources in the lakers camp that they are working on a package to get Anthony Davis which include a third team which is Orlando Magic...check it out.




If it happens, than so be it. Lonzo Ball could be a really good PG if it wasn't for the fact his play style does not work well with Lebron James. Lonzo Ball needs the ball at all times, but because Lebron controls the gameplay almost all the time, this neglets ball from doing the majority of ball handling and leadership. If this requires to give up Vuc so we can get a possible PG of the future for our franchise. Than we are looking at it like this.

1. Lonzo
2. Fournier
3. AG
4. Isaac
5. Bamba.

The 2nd spot is still up for grabs , but down the line we can get a SG through free agency and cement a possible lineup for years to come.

I wouldn't mind this, however, VUC is playing some of his best basketball of his entire career and through him alone is keeping us in the play off picture. What you guys think?

Vucevic to get Lonzo?

I might vomit...

[VFX]

Hopefully any trade with the Lakers nets us either Hart or Ingram.

[MagicStarwipe]

Bring Elfrid home.

[RookieStar]

Vuc for Lavar??? That better be attached with a combo of Hart and Ingram and they take Fourner/Grant off our hands.

Sheeeeesh i was excited the past few games where we realistically had a hance to.win.

Are we tanking now?