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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1781 » by cedric76 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:48 pm

zaymon wrote:
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cedric76 wrote:With Okeke coming back next season and Evan likely to opt out i really think we r gonna trade AG for a SG

14 th Dec

Gordon+DJ+2nd for Russell and Chriss

Fultz(28),Russell(20),MCW(0)
Russell(13),Evan(18),Ross(17)
Evan(15),Isaac(18),Iwundu(15)
Isaac(16),Chief(24),Chriss(8)
Vuc(31),Birch(7),Mo(10)

Next year Okeke will be able to get plenty Forward minutes

Lineup

Fultz,Russell,Evan

Russell primary back up for Fultz

Russell,Evan,Isaac,chief,vuc when fultz is bench

i dont think people should plan on Evan opting out.

Evan playing as he had is well worth his contract. He would be perfect 3rd option behind Fultz and Vucevic.I hope he stays long term.


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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1782 » by Bensational » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:22 pm

zaymon wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
cedric76 wrote:With Okeke coming back next season and Evan likely to opt out i really think we r gonna trade AG for a SG

14 th Dec

Gordon+DJ+2nd for Russell and Chriss

Fultz(28),Russell(20),MCW(0)
Russell(13),Evan(18),Ross(17)
Evan(15),Isaac(18),Iwundu(15)
Isaac(16),Chief(24),Chriss(8)
Vuc(31),Birch(7),Mo(10)

Next year Okeke will be able to get plenty Forward minutes

Lineup

Fultz,Russell,Evan

Russell primary back up for Fultz

Russell,Evan,Isaac,chief,vuc when fultz is bench

i dont think people should plan on Evan opting out.

Evan playing as he had is well worth his contract. He would be perfect 3rd option behind Fultz and Vucevic.I hope he stays long term.


Perfect 3rd option for what, a 1st round exit team?

He'd be a perfect 3rd option behind Curry and Durant for a long run, but not for any 2 players we've got right now.

Fournier at SF also wouldn't be great for us defensively. This season he's looking great as a SG and defending on the perimeter, so better to keep him there.

He's definitely a great supporting piece with the way he's playing this season, but we lack true #1 options so someone is going to have to get moved for them. Gordon, Fournier, Bamba and Vuc feel like the most likely candidates to fetch us a proper upgrade on that front. But WeHam haven't done anything yet to shake up the core of the team they inherited, so chances are we will see the same squad for the long term.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1783 » by zaymon » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:00 pm

Bensational wrote:
zaymon wrote:
tiderulz wrote:i dont think people should plan on Evan opting out.

Evan playing as he had is well worth his contract. He would be perfect 3rd option behind Fultz and Vucevic.I hope he stays long term.


Perfect 3rd option for what, a 1st round exit team?

He'd be a perfect 3rd option behind Curry and Durant for a long run, but not for any 2 players we've got right now.

Fournier at SF also wouldn't be great for us defensively. This season he's looking great as a SG and defending on the perimeter, so better to keep him there.

He's definitely a great supporting piece with the way he's playing this season, but we lack true #1 options so someone is going to have to get moved for them. Gordon, Fournier, Bamba and Vuc feel like the most likely candidates to fetch us a proper upgrade on that front. But WeHam haven't done anything yet to shake up the core of the team they inherited, so chances are we will see the same squad for the long term.

If we are a little lucky for a change Fultz will develop into a number 1 action in 1-2 years. In my opinion Vucevic is ECF worthy second option. Fournier is big for a guard, smart, great shooter, good passer. He is not worse than low tier nba stars if on a good team which he showed during FIBA. Isaac is making me smile everytime he moves on the floor. As a fourth option guy is a beast. I dont like Gordon game and i hope he will be our 6-7 option or traded. I think Okeke will be key contributor during our contention window. (yes i think we will be finalist contender in the east if Markelle blossoms, Isaac, Fournier and Vucevic are too good not to.)
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1784 » by KillMonger » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:32 pm

Thinking we're going to call maggette up from g league? With MCW out it might not be too bad an idea. Watching some Lakeland made me feel like laughing as I was seeing better offensive actions and ball movement from the our g league team rather than the NBA team who's supposed to be more talented.

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Post#1785 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:34 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Thinking we're going to call maggette up from g league? With MCW out it might not be too bad an idea. Watching some Lakeland made me feel like laughing as I was seeing better offensive actions and ball movement from the our g league team rather than the NBA team who's supposed to be more talented.

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Post#1786 » by nzahir » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:07 pm

As an outsider LAL fan, what would you guys want for DJ (who has been struggling from 3 this yr, worries me a bit)?

Cook, Boogie (waive), 2nd, and cash do it?

Get a catch and shoot type of pg (for 3M next 2 yrs) and a 2nd for more of a playmaker who is expiring. Or not enough?
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Post#1787 » by cedric76 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:55 pm

nzahir wrote:As an outsider LAL fa

n, what would you guys want for DJ (who has been struggling from 3 this yr, worries me a bit)?

Cook, Boogie (waive), 2nd, and cash do it?

Get a catch and shoot type of pg (for 3M next 2 yrs) and a 2nd for more of a playmaker who is expiring. Or not enough?


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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1788 » by nzahir » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:59 pm

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nzahir wrote:As an outsider LAL fa

n, what would you guys want for DJ (who has been struggling from 3 this yr, worries me a bit)?

Cook, Boogie (waive), 2nd, and cash do it?

Get a catch and shoot type of pg (for 3M next 2 yrs) and a 2nd for more of a playmaker who is expiring. Or not enough?


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Huh?

I said LAL (lakers) and I named laker players
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Post#1789 » by ezzzp » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:17 pm

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Post#1790 » by The Real Dalic » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:19 pm

nzahir wrote:As an outsider LAL fan, what would you guys want for DJ (who has been struggling from 3 this yr, worries me a bit)?

Cook, Boogie (waive), 2nd, and cash do it?

Get a catch and shoot type of pg (for 3M next 2 yrs) and a 2nd for more of a playmaker who is expiring. Or not enough?

You would really give all of that up for Augustine? What's wrong with Cook? I like him. I would personally do it, but I don't see why you guys would.
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Post#1791 » by nzahir » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:27 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
nzahir wrote:As an outsider LAL fan, what would you guys want for DJ (who has been struggling from 3 this yr, worries me a bit)?

Cook, Boogie (waive), 2nd, and cash do it?

Get a catch and shoot type of pg (for 3M next 2 yrs) and a 2nd for more of a playmaker who is expiring. Or not enough?

You would really give all of that up for Augustine? What's wrong with Cook? I like him. I would personally do it, but I don't see why you guys would.

All that?

Its Cook and a 2nd? Cousins is getting waived anyways int his deal

Cook isn't a bad player, but we need more guys who can penetrate and create.

Augustins defense is also poor, just like Cooks
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Post#1792 » by ezzzp » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:45 pm

nzahir wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
nzahir wrote:As an outsider LAL fan, what would you guys want for DJ (who has been struggling from 3 this yr, worries me a bit)?

Cook, Boogie (waive), 2nd, and cash do it?

Get a catch and shoot type of pg (for 3M next 2 yrs) and a 2nd for more of a playmaker who is expiring. Or not enough?

You would really give all of that up for Augustine? What's wrong with Cook? I like him. I would personally do it, but I don't see why you guys would.

All that?

Its Cook and a 2nd? Cousins is getting waived anyways int his deal

Cook isn't a bad player, but we need more guys who can penetrate and create.

Augustins defense is also poor, just like Cooks


That's the same reason why the Magic wouldn't trade DJ for Cook. DJ is a better fit for the Magic.

DJ got off to a bad start, but prior to last night's game he had started turning it around. I think he'll eventually revert back to his mean range and that player is better than Cook.

Trading DJ for a lateral move - at best - just isn't worth disrupting the lockeroom.
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Post#1793 » by PrimeThyme » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:03 am

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:JAMAL CRAWFORD come on down...... but seriously.... sadly this FO wouldn't do such a thing

I've seen a lot of people actually suggest we sign Crawford (even T mac on national television today) but I think it's just another example of the media and fanbases getting stuck in the past and pushing a nonexistent narrative, just like the Melo one. In reality, Crawford was one of the worst rotational players in the league last year (-6.0 BPM, -1.2 Vorp, etc) and I don't think he has much at all left in the tank.

It would be a hard pass for me. Though I could see why someone would want him over Magette. However, once MCW is healthy again Magette won't be part of the active roster.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!! 

Post#1794 » by nzahir » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:14 am

ezzzp wrote:
nzahir wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:You would really give all of that up for Augustine? What's wrong with Cook? I like him. I would personally do it, but I don't see why you guys would.

All that?

Its Cook and a 2nd? Cousins is getting waived anyways int his deal

Cook isn't a bad player, but we need more guys who can penetrate and create.

Augustins defense is also poor, just like Cooks


That's the same reason why the Magic wouldn't trade DJ for Cook. DJ is a better fit for the Magic.

DJ got off to a bad start, but prior to last night's game he had started turning it around. I think he'll eventually revert back to his mean range and that player is better than Cook.

Trading DJ for a lateral move - at best - just isn't worth disrupting the lockeroom.

It is basically a lateral move, but you get a 2nd for a guy who can leave this summer

I actually think Cook fits you guys decently well. More shooting. He has also gotten off to a bit of a rocky shooting start, but over 40% last few yrs

Fultz should be getting most of the time rn
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Post#1796 » by SOUL » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:45 am

nzahir wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
nzahir wrote:All that?

Its Cook and a 2nd? Cousins is getting waived anyways int his deal

Cook isn't a bad player, but we need more guys who can penetrate and create.

Augustins defense is also poor, just like Cooks


That's the same reason why the Magic wouldn't trade DJ for Cook. DJ is a better fit for the Magic.

DJ got off to a bad start, but prior to last night's game he had started turning it around. I think he'll eventually revert back to his mean range and that player is better than Cook.

Trading DJ for a lateral move - at best - just isn't worth disrupting the lockeroom.

It is basically a lateral move, but you get a 2nd for a guy who can leave this summer

I actually think Cook fits you guys decently well. More shooting. He has also gotten off to a bit of a rocky shooting start, but over 40% last few yrs

Fultz should be getting most of the time rn


Yeah, DJ is not that valuable to us anymore, think some people really overrate him here, especially if we're getting a decent shooter in return.
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Post#1797 » by JBSouthpaw » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:46 am

nzahir wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
nzahir wrote:All that?

Its Cook and a 2nd? Cousins is getting waived anyways int his deal

Cook isn't a bad player, but we need more guys who can penetrate and create.

Augustins defense is also poor, just like Cooks


That's the same reason why the Magic wouldn't trade DJ for Cook. DJ is a better fit for the Magic.

DJ got off to a bad start, but prior to last night's game he had started turning it around. I think he'll eventually revert back to his mean range and that player is better than Cook.

Trading DJ for a lateral move - at best - just isn't worth disrupting the lockeroom.

It is basically a lateral move, but you get a 2nd for a guy who can leave this summer

I actually think Cook fits you guys decently well. More shooting. He has also gotten off to a bit of a rocky shooting start, but over 40% last few yrs

Fultz should be getting most of the time rn


For this trade, it isn't worth it.
1. DJ is loved by his fellow players, and is a leader in the club house
2. Cook wouldn't know coach's defense, which isn't simple

To trade DJ this early, and not being out of the playoff race, it'd have to be for something quality (young player, or 1st rd)
right now the LAL 2nd rounder would be the last pick of the draft.
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Post#1798 » by nzahir » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:49 am

JBSouthpaw wrote:
nzahir wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
That's the same reason why the Magic wouldn't trade DJ for Cook. DJ is a better fit for the Magic.

DJ got off to a bad start, but prior to last night's game he had started turning it around. I think he'll eventually revert back to his mean range and that player is better than Cook.

Trading DJ for a lateral move - at best - just isn't worth disrupting the lockeroom.

It is basically a lateral move, but you get a 2nd for a guy who can leave this summer

I actually think Cook fits you guys decently well. More shooting. He has also gotten off to a bit of a rocky shooting start, but over 40% last few yrs

Fultz should be getting most of the time rn


For this trade, it isn't worth it.
1. DJ is loved by his fellow players, and is a leader in the club house
2. Cook wouldn't know coach's defense, which isn't simple

To trade DJ this early, and not being out of the playoff race, it'd have to be for something quality (young player, or 1st rd)
right now the LAL 2nd rounder would be the last pick of the draft.

Future 2nd, not this yr

Maybe its too early, lets see in late Dec or Jan
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Post#1799 » by nzahir » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:50 am

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nzahir wrote:
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That's the same reason why the Magic wouldn't trade DJ for Cook. DJ is a better fit for the Magic.

DJ got off to a bad start, but prior to last night's game he had started turning it around. I think he'll eventually revert back to his mean range and that player is better than Cook.

Trading DJ for a lateral move - at best - just isn't worth disrupting the lockeroom.

It is basically a lateral move, but you get a 2nd for a guy who can leave this summer

I actually think Cook fits you guys decently well. More shooting. He has also gotten off to a bit of a rocky shooting start, but over 40% last few yrs

Fultz should be getting most of the time rn


Yeah, DJ is not that valuable to us anymore, think some people really overrate him here, especially if we're getting a decent shooter in return.

That was my original thinking process

Hes likely gone next yr or about a minimum guy

Fultz should be the focus for starting pg

Cook works as a guy who can play off ball from all your bigs
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Post#1800 » by SOUL » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:02 am

JBSouthpaw wrote:
nzahir wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
That's the same reason why the Magic wouldn't trade DJ for Cook. DJ is a better fit for the Magic.

DJ got off to a bad start, but prior to last night's game he had started turning it around. I think he'll eventually revert back to his mean range and that player is better than Cook.

Trading DJ for a lateral move - at best - just isn't worth disrupting the lockeroom.

It is basically a lateral move, but you get a 2nd for a guy who can leave this summer

I actually think Cook fits you guys decently well. More shooting. He has also gotten off to a bit of a rocky shooting start, but over 40% last few yrs

Fultz should be getting most of the time rn


For this trade, it isn't worth it.
1. DJ is loved by his fellow players, and is a leader in the club house
2. Cook wouldn't know coach's defense, which isn't simple

To trade DJ this early, and not being out of the playoff race, it'd have to be for something quality (young player, or 1st rd)
right now the LAL 2nd rounder would be the last pick of the draft.


DJ does not have the value of a decent young player or 1st rounder is the issue and he's only getting older. Fultz is the future here. Now, maybe he wouldn't be traded until Markelle's minute restrictions are lifted, but DJ absolutely needs to be an upgrade next season, so getting him for any kind of return would be decent, more so if we're way out of the playoffs (which is hard in the East), but yeah, he's getting overrated big time.
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