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2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1781 » by IllMagic04 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:20 pm

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The-Stallion70 wrote:In the NBA today every guy on the court has to be able to shoot. We are in an era of record high offensive efficiency that is fueled by the fact that the players' shooting abilities are better than ever before.

Now I believe we are seeing more value in guys who great at cutting abd attacking the openings in these spread out defenses, something that AG excelled at and why I could still see Ausar being the pick.


This only makes sense if your team is comprised of shooters already.

AG makes sense next to Jokic and 3 other + shooters.

Neither AG or Ausar make sense on Orlando's roster with limited floor spacing already. Both guards need to be + defenders AND + shooters next to two playmaking Forwards. Not one or the other.


Exactly. If we truly believe Paolo and Franz are our guys we NEEED to be able to spread he floor. Especially Paolo because I believe in his prime, he is going to be able to really get downhill and collapse defenses. We are hindering both their growth surrounding them with bricklayers. The only way I'd take Amen is if I was sold that this kid was going to be Westbrook level. Cause at that point you probably move on from Paolo to surround him with the right shooters. I don't believe that. He might end up as a solid player but we don't need to add bricklayers on this team. You could twist my arm on Ausar as at least his form looks solid and theres been some progression. I just can't understand getting a bricklayer as Markelle Fultz replacement. Anthony Black and Amen just can't be the pick. If they are truly the best players on the board the trade down. I think these prospects are pretty close.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1782 » by Black and Blue » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:24 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:I’m feeling as uninspired by the potential Anthony Black pick as I felt about the Franz pick. I watched hours and hours of full game videos and feel absolutely zero excitement every time I watch him play.

I look forward to being wrong again if we pick him.


It's the only prospect in the lottery I feel the same way about. He does have a great feel for the game and passing skills, but he is so slow and that shot is so off I worry. It's also tough see a world in which he surpasses Fultz anytime soon, if that indeed is the plan. As with you, I hope I'm wrong and if we pick him I will 100% support him.

For all the folks saying they have a feeling Black is the pick, I have the same gut reaction but with it being Hendricks (if the team decides to pass on Ausar/Whitmore). Local guy, good size, outside shooting, defensive prowess, shot blocking, high character...he checks so many boxes this FO needs and loves. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they go with Black, but with Hendricks I expect him to be high up their list.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1783 » by cedric76 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:30 pm

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Audi wrote:Wemby on record saying he'd like to play with Coulibaly...take him with #11 and send he and Cole to SA for Vassell?


Call it in!


In a french interview wemby mentioned that Bilal should be ranked higher than the twins as he is better than them, as athletic as them, played against stronger competition than them and he is younger than them.

I agree with him and this is why I d like to trade down to Utah to grab him at 9 and scoop a Future FRP in that deal
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1784 » by cedric76 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:34 pm

Knightro wrote:
Audi wrote:Wemby on record saying he'd like to play with Coulibaly...take him with #11 and send he and Cole to SA for Vassell?


Call it in!


I d do 6+Cole for vassell +33

Fultz
Vassell
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

Perfect starting lineup

Bench suggs, Harris,#11,JI, Moe, goga, bol, Houstan, chuma, vet PG
Suggs, AB, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, TDS , Jett
Franz, TDS, Panda
P5, JI, Panda, Moe
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Post#1785 » by bigdogdylan5 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:40 pm

How do people think of potential in Black’s shot? Is it like Giddy or Lonzo where we think that can be improved? I just don’t think the touch is there like he shot 60% in high school from the free throw line. He also was a multiple sport athlete and checks all the hard working character boxes to put in the work to get better.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1786 » by MagicManMike » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:42 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Audi wrote:Wemby on record saying he'd like to play with Coulibaly...take him with #11 and send he and Cole to SA for Vassell?


Call it in!


I d do 6+Cole for vassell +33

Fultz
Vassell
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

Perfect starting lineup

Bench suggs, Harris,#11,JI, Moe, goga, bol, Houstan, chuma, vet PG


A was thinking about this exact trade.

The other trade I was thinking about is what would it take to get the #3 pick for Scoot?

WCJ + Fultz +6 + Denver’s Pick

For Scoot and Filler?

Then we draft Lively with #11

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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1787 » by MagicManMike » Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:44 pm

Def Swami wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/37873455/2023-nba-mock-draft-latest-predictions-all-58-picks

Givony just updated the mock:

Black at #6, Dick at #11. Talks about #11 being available for trade.

So let me get this straight…

We sucked so hard all last season so that we would end up with Black Dick?

Just seems like we are getting punked by Givony.
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Post#1788 » by neuraldarwinism » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:09 pm

whitemore + black or bufkin would be cool if we could trade up from 11 to the pacers
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1789 » by Skin » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:10 pm

cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Audi wrote:Wemby on record saying he'd like to play with Coulibaly...take him with #11 and send he and Cole to SA for Vassell?


Call it in!


I d do 6+Cole for vassell +33

Fultz
Vassell
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

Perfect starting lineup

Bench suggs, Harris,#11,JI, Moe, goga, bol, Houstan, chuma, vet PG

Vassell would be a dream get. Spurs are not going to let him go. They want Vassell AND Coulibaly more than likely.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1790 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:15 pm

Knightro wrote:Worth noting that three pretty reputable mock drafters (O'Connor, Wasserman, Hollinger) all have Whitmore slipping to 9th now.


It's either a team successfully blew smoke or they all opened their eyes like mine and saw he has a lot of defects for a top-5 pick
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1791 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:26 pm

Anyone else like Kobe Bufkin way more than Anthony Black???

I dont see anything Anthony Black does that our guards already dont.
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Post#1792 » by Husky1 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:34 pm

The Black rumours are just smart from FO, They know Wash and Utah are desperate for him. Create a bidding war then trade down.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1793 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:40 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:Can someone explain the measurements? Basketball is played with shoes so why would I care about a barefoot measurement? Jarace Walker is being listed as 6'8 on most list. His combine was 6'6. Did they not measure him with shoes?


So we can compare them all equally. What if your sponsorship shoes ( nike, addidas , UA, shaq, whatever ) adds 2 inches to your height while another only adds .5? Thus, the most accurate to compare players would be barefoot.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1794 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:43 pm

dsg2021 wrote:Can we settle a debate?

Can Cam Whitmore play the 2 full time, or is he genuinely said to be more of a 4/3?

Anyone watched him enough to say?


Based on the few college games I saw him play? He is an effective SF/PF in college. Too quick for the lumbering bigs, too powerful for the skinny wings. Too bad he has scoring blinders on and despite being a frontcourt player, doesn't get a rebound.

As to the league where he will face guards as strong, as quick and as tall as him? Hard to say... might be more effective as a 3.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1795 » by RookieStar » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:48 pm

Husky1 wrote:The Black rumours are just smart from FO, They know Wash and Utah are desperate for him. Create a bidding war then trade down.


THIS!!!!!
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1796 » by jezzerinho » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:51 pm

Skin wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Call it in!


I d do 6+Cole for vassell +33

Fultz
Vassell
Franz
Paolo
WCJ

Perfect starting lineup

Bench suggs, Harris,#11,JI, Moe, goga, bol, Houstan, chuma, vet PG

Vassell would be a dream get. Spurs are not going to let him go. They want Vassell AND Coulibaly more than likely.


That trade is massively overvaluing Vassell, imo. 6 and Cole for a borderline starter on a playin level type team, plus a second rounder. Pass. Hard pass.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1797 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:02 pm

That Anthony Black quote is crazy....I wouldnt draft him just based on that lol
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1798 » by eyriq » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:18 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:That Anthony Black quote is crazy....I wouldnt draft him just based on that lol


He's just stating the obvious. The writing has been on the wall for Cole Anthony for a while now.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1799 » by SOUL » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:25 pm

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DiplomaticMagic wrote:That Anthony Black quote is crazy....I wouldnt draft him just based on that lol


He's just stating the obvious. The writing has been on the wall for Cole Anthony for a while now.


Not so sure about that. He's the one guy we have (other than the starters) that has a defined role and thrived in it.

It all matters how much $$ though - there is value to his game that is different from Fultz/Suggs.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 4 

Post#1800 » by IllMagic04 » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:31 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:That Anthony Black quote is crazy....I wouldnt draft him just based on that lol
What quote?

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