Official Speculation & Free Agency Thread (PtXI, Mods close)

ZeusIsLoose · Post #181 » by **ZeusIsLoose** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:45 pm

MoMM wrote:Well, add to this 3mi the taxes he wouldnt pay in Orlando.

rcklsscognition · Post #182 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:50 pm

MoMM wrote:Well, add to this 3mi the taxes he wouldnt pay in Orlando.

They only pay no taxes on income earned in Florida (and other states with no income tax). When he plays games on the road he's got to pay taxes on those earnings. Not sure if that's included in the 3 mil or not, if it is, disregard.

MagicFan41 · Post #183 » by **MagicFan41** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:22 pm

I said all of this many, many times the second the CBA came out and people started blabbing about how Dwight was never gonna leave "30 million" on the table. It's not even close to true. Nothing new here. Hell the taxation difference between Orlando and NYC is the REAL issue people should be discussing, but nobody really ever gets into that. Either one though, is not going to determine where a guy worth essentially like $300 million (after his Adidas contract) is going to spend his prime.

Although he does make a stupid point about Orlando not being to the only team able to offer him the most because if he is traded then he will still get Bird rights. Yes, but then Orlando won't have the opportunity to offer him that if traded. The whole concept is that they keep him, so he only has Bird rights here, so that Orlando IS the only team that can offer him the max.

rcklsscognition · Post #184 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:25 pm

For whatever reason, reading this made me a little nervous about Dwight just going to NJ with no trade. NJ keeps their roster and we get nothing. Would Dwight do us like that? Even if Otis proposes a trade to NJ, would they just decline? I hope our deal for J-Rich gets Feagan to get us a trade if it comes down to it. Of course, priority #1 is keep Dwight, trade for some other border-line all-star who can score.

Speaking of which, anyone listen to Barkley last night saying the Thunder have too many go-to scorers and they won't win because of it? Opposite problem we have. Too bad they probably won't deal Harden.

I Rasharted · Post #185 » by **I Rasharted** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:34 pm

March 15th is gonna be interesting.

Just Plain Mark · Post #186 » by **Just Plain Mark** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:50 pm

When informed people say that Dwight is going to leave $30 million on the table if his new team doesn't inherit Dwight's Bird rights those individuals are referring to "gauranteed" money. Otis certainly isn't saying that (gauranteed), but that aspect is well known at this point. So Kyler is creating a straw man to criticize the Magic. (There are enough legit reasons to complain about Otis, don't need to make up serious accusations).

Do I expect Dwight sign another contract in 4 or 5 years? Absolutely, but we have no idea what his market value will be like at that point, who will have cap space at that point, and whether he'll be healthy. Is it a terrible risk for Dwight to take to assume he'll be healthy, productive and that a team he likes will have cap space? No. Is there a real risk? Absolutely.

Post #187 » by **Def Swami** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:30 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:For whatever reason, reading this made me a little nervous about Dwight just going to NJ with no trade. NJ keeps their roster and we get nothing. Would Dwight do us like that? Even if Otis proposes a trade to NJ, would they just decline? I hope our deal for J-Rich gets Feagan to get us a trade if it comes down to it. Of course, priority #1 is keep Dwight, trade for some other border-line all-star who can score.

Speaking of which, anyone listen to Barkley last night saying the Thunder have too many go-to scorers and they won't win because of it? Opposite problem we have. Too bad they probably won't deal Harden.

After the Melo situation and how much NY gave up for him, I could very well see Dwight just walk there. But that is why Otis is playing nice with his agent.

arkknight1988 · Post #188 » by **arkknight1988** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:53 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:For whatever reason, reading this made me a little nervous about Dwight just going to NJ with no trade. NJ keeps their roster and we get nothing. Would Dwight do us like that? Even if Otis proposes a trade to NJ, would they just decline? I hope our deal for J-Rich gets Feagan to get us a trade if it comes down to it. Of course, priority #1 is keep Dwight, trade for some other border-line all-star who can score.

Speaking of which, anyone listen to Barkley last night saying the Thunder have too many go-to scorers and they won't win because of it? Opposite problem we have. Too bad they probably won't deal Harden.

yes dwight would just walk there, in fact i think that is what he wants to happen. He still gets to play in the playoffs with orlando this year and then walk to the nets who still have all their assets and a lotto pick.

i think u HAVE to trade him if he doesn't commit by the trade deadline. Losing him for nothing would be the worst thing possible. Only way u keep him is if u land a monta caliber player and then take the risk of him walking away.

rcklsscognition · Post #189 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:30 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:For whatever reason, reading this made me a little nervous about Dwight just going to NJ with no trade. NJ keeps their roster and we get nothing. Would Dwight do us like that? Even if Otis proposes a trade to NJ, would they just decline? I hope our deal for J-Rich gets Feagan to get us a trade if it comes down to it. Of course, priority #1 is keep Dwight, trade for some other border-line all-star who can score.

Speaking of which, anyone listen to Barkley last night saying the Thunder have too many go-to scorers and they won't win because of it? Opposite problem we have. Too bad they probably won't deal Harden.

yes dwight would just walk there, in fact i think that is what he wants to happen. He still gets to play in the playoffs with orlando this year and then walk to the nets who still have all their assets and a lotto pick.

i think u HAVE to trade him if he doesn't commit by the trade deadline. Losing him for nothing would be the worst thing possible. Only way u keep him is if u land a monta caliber player and then take the risk of him walking away.

But what happens if the Nets say no? No trade. He's just going to walk here, we won't entertain a trade. Mavs also a walk-on situation. So then we are left with LA?

Post #190 » by **eyriq** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:37 pm

I've said this before but Dwight walking isn't a bad option as far as possible scenarios go. The non-Dwight scenario's are ALWAYS going to be about rebuilding, not contending. The NJ package does neither, and in fact may cost us some lottery picks in the big picture. Dwight walks and we get a ton of cap space in '14 and likely high lottery picks in '13 and '14 too. I think trading Dwight makes us more competitive than otherwise (i.e. no tanking) and also will eat into our eventual cap space when we have to pay Lopez. I'd rather just suck and get some lottery picks and haul in a max contract in free agency in a couple years.

warren4prez · Post #191 » by **warren4prez** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:37 pm

[/quote]But what happens if the Nets say no? No trade. He's just going to walk here, we won't entertain a trade. Mavs also a walk-on situation. So then we are left with LA?[/quote]

This down right scary!!!!

tiderulz · Post #192 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:18 pm

eyriq wrote:I've said this before but Dwight walking isn't a bad option as far as possible scenarios go. The non-Dwight scenario's are ALWAYS going to be about rebuilding, not contending. The NJ package does neither, and in fact may cost us some lottery picks in the big picture. Dwight walks and we get a ton of cap space in '14 and likely high lottery picks in '13 and '14 too. I think trading Dwight makes us more competitive than otherwise (i.e. no tanking) and also will eat into our eventual cap space when we have to pay Lopez. I'd rather just suck and get some lottery picks and haul in a max contract in free agency in a couple years.

the NJ package does help rebuilding as it can help get 1 or 2 bad contracts off the books. If you dont like the players, trade them for other picks, then you can still have a bad team.

letting him walk is just the worst idea anyone can have.

WeAreVenom · Post #193 » by **WeAreVenom** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:22 pm

warren4prez wrote:

But what happens if the Nets say no? No trade. He's just going to walk here, we won't entertain a trade. Mavs also a walk-on situation. So then we are left with LA?[/quote]

This down right scary!!!![/quote]

I doubt they do that, because that Bynum/Dwight deal isn't going anywhere.

Post #194 » by **eyriq** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:30 pm

tiderulz wrote:
eyriq wrote:I've said this before but Dwight walking isn't a bad option as far as possible scenarios go. The non-Dwight scenario's are ALWAYS going to be about rebuilding, not contending. The NJ package does neither, and in fact may cost us some lottery picks in the big picture. Dwight walks and we get a ton of cap space in '14 and likely high lottery picks in '13 and '14 too. I think trading Dwight makes us more competitive than otherwise (i.e. no tanking) and also will eat into our eventual cap space when we have to pay Lopez. I'd rather just suck and get some lottery picks and haul in a max contract in free agency in a couple years.

the NJ package does help rebuilding as it can help get 1 or 2 bad contracts off the books. If you dont like the players, trade them for other picks, then you can still have a bad team.

letting him walk is just the worst idea anyone can have.

The bad contracts come off the books eventually. Yes, you could move Lopez for picks but unless that team is under the cap you are taking back salary. If the goal is to rebuild, (and rebuilding is pretty straight forward, you suck till you get a franchise player via the lottery draft), than taking a circumventive route to get there makes little sense. Especially when trading Dwight means missing out on competing for him in the offseason.

rcklsscognition · Post #195 » by **rcklsscognition** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:37 pm

If he leaves, I just wonder how much is even in the Magic's control, as far as a trade. Many make it out as something we have to choose to do, like if we say we'll trade him, NJ is magically going to sign up. What if they don't want to trade for him? They've got the cap space to sign Dwight outright in the summer. Dwight's agent probably wants him traded before Mar 15 to NJ so he can get max money and max years there. Dwight probably worries NJ ends up like the Knicks if they trade with Orlando, so he wants to walk.

It'll be interesting how it all turns out, especially as Mar 15th nears. More than likely the Magic will find a way to trade him if he wants out.

Ballah · Post #196 » by **Ballah** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:53 pm

The Nets CAN'T say no to a trade, if we give Howard to LA they lose on Howard and they lose Deron. That would be worse than us losing Howard. All this talk about Howard not wanting to play with Kobe is just bs until he removes LA from his list, up until that point we have to assume he would be happy going to LA because he specifically put them on the list.

jezzer45 · Post #197 » by **jezzer45** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:58 pm

you guys are forgetting that they are other teams that will risk the trade with out guarantee. I think the warriors said they would, and I personally believe the bulls would and maybe the hawks. So I think him walking will be a scenario that another team is going to deal with.

InFlames · Post #198 » by **InFlames** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:07 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:If he leaves, I just wonder how much is even in the Magic's control, as far as a trade. Many make it out as something we have to choose to do, like if we say we'll trade him, NJ is magically going to sign up. What if they don't want to trade for him? They've got the cap space to sign Dwight outright in the summer. Dwight's agent probably wants him traded before Mar 15 to NJ so he can get max money and max years there. Dwight probably worries NJ ends up like the Knicks if they trade with Orlando, so he wants to walk.

It'll be interesting how it all turns out, especially as Mar 15th nears. More than likely the Magic will find a way to trade him if he wants out.

The Nets won't let Dwight hit fa.

94_MagicFan · Post #199 » by **94_MagicFan** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:42 am

Ok seeing how NY is winning without amare and melo the rise of Lin and even Miami having trouble with wade and James on the floor together maybe the teaming up wasn't such a good idea I know how we all want. Deron/Ellis here do you think we'd have the same problem

magicman123 · Post #200 » by **magicman123** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:46 am

94_MagicFan wrote:Ok seeing how NY is winning without amare and melo the rise of Lin and even Miami having trouble with wade and James on the floor together maybe the teaming up wasn't such a good idea I know how we all want. Deron/Ellis here do you think we'd have the same problem

no, it comes down to what players you put together,its about the long run, not a few games here for there when the team plays well without the stars...miami has the talent to make the ecf every single year, dwight with deron or a scorer like ellis could be a very good fit, amare and melo are not a good duo, they don't have a huge impact on the game besides scoring, they also have a terrible coach in NY..dwight is basically a good fit with any good player because of what he does, dwight + whoever will work