Marc Stein - Doc Rivers or Pat Garrity to Replace Hennigan?

[Nyce_1]

"If he gets fired"

i hope they can find a way to keep him. Hire Doc as PBO and keep Rob as GM. At least he'll have a basketball mind to help him construct the team.

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

[Nemesis21]

i hope they can find a way to keep him. Hire Doc as PBO and keep Rob as GM. At least he'll have a basketball mind to help him construct the team.

I also would like to keep him. Switch out Doc for Grant Hill as PBO(put Martins in a different role or fire him) and I'm good!

I haven't read the thread, so sorry if it's already been discussed but how could Grant work for us in the front office if he's part of the ownership group that just bought part of the Hawks? I hope I'm not remembering it wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's a minority (or maybe even part of the majority) owner.

Umm... he could sell his stake. He's also been known to want to own the Magic. So maybe a front office position could be his way in?? Maybe it gets him close to owning the Magic, if the Devos family sells the team when RDV passes.

[Nemesis21]

i hope they can find a way to keep him. Hire Doc as PBO and keep Rob as GM. At least he'll have a basketball mind to help him construct the team.

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

100 And 1's for this! Somebody who finally understands what has been going on, instead of looking for a scapegoat and just pointing the finger at Rob.

[OrlandoNed]

i hope they can find a way to keep him. Hire Doc as PBO and keep Rob as GM. At least he'll have a basketball mind to help him construct the team.

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

You have no evidence of any meddling, it's just speculation. It has likely happened but because there is no proof of Martins interfering, Hennigan is the only one who's going to be held responsible.

[OrlandoNed]

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

100 And 1's for this! Somebody who finally understands what has been going on, instead of looking for a scapegoat and just pointing the finger at Rob.

Dude, everybody know what's going on. It doesn't matter if Martins has meddled or not, he's a made man to the Devos family and he's not going anywhere. Neither him or Hennigan are innocent in this failed rebuild, but you can be for damn sure that the lower guy on the totem pole is always going to get whacked before his boss does.

[Nemesis21]

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

100 And 1's for this! Somebody who finally understands what has been going on, instead of looking for a scapegoat and just pointing the finger at Rob.

Dude, everybody know what's going on. It doesn't matter if Martins has meddled or not, he's a made man to the Devos family and he's not going anywhere. Neither him or Hennigan are innocent in this failed rebuild, but you can be for damn sure that the lower guy on the totem pole is always going to get whacked before his boss does.

It does to matter. 95% of this board blames Rob only. I'm not saying Rob doesn't deserve blame, but he doesn't deserve to shoulder all of it. Martins deserves his fare share.

Also you just said everybody knows what's going on, but a few posts ago you denied it and said you need full proof. WTF?

[Nyce_1]

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

You have no evidence of any meddling, it's just speculation. It has likely happened but because there is no proof of Martins interfering, Hennigan is the only one who's going to be held responsible.

Spicer?

[Nemesis21]

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

You have no evidence of any meddling, it's just speculation. It has likely happened but because there is no proof of Martins interfering, Hennigan is the only one who's going to be held responsible.

Spicer?

[OrlandoNed]

100 And 1's for this! Somebody who finally understands what has been going on, instead of looking for a scapegoat and just pointing the finger at Rob.

Dude, everybody know what's going on. It doesn't matter if Martins has meddled or not, he's a made man to the Devos family and he's not going anywhere. Neither him or Hennigan are innocent in this failed rebuild, but you can be for damn sure that the lower guy on the totem pole is always going to get whacked before his boss does.

It does to matter. 95% of this board blames Rob only. I'm not saying Rob doesn't deserve blame, but he doesn't deserve to shoulder all of it. Martins deserves his fare share.

Also you just said everybody knows what's going on, but a few posts ago you denied it and said you need full proof. WTF?

No it does not matter how accurately fans can divvy up the blame between Hennigan and Martins. It's irrelevant, because the only one who's going to fired over this situation is Hennigan. Martins knows fans are pissed and he's going to let Hennigan take 100% of the blame when he cans his ass.

[Nyce_1]

100 And 1's for this! Somebody who finally understands what has been going on, instead of looking for a scapegoat and just pointing the finger at Rob.

Dude, everybody know what's going on. It doesn't matter if Martins has meddled or not, he's a made man to the Devos family and he's not going anywhere. Neither him or Hennigan are innocent in this failed rebuild, but you can be for damn sure that the lower guy on the totem pole is always going to get whacked before his boss does.

It does to matter. 95% of this board blames Rob only. I'm not saying Rob doesn't deserve blame, but he doesn't deserve to shoulder all of it. Martins deserves his fare share.

Also you just said everybody knows what's going on, but a few posts ago you denied it and said you need full proof. WTF?

Glad I didn't have to point this out myself.

OrlandoNed,

I get what you're saying but my point is that it is hard for someone to do a job they were hired to do, effectively, when their boss keeps overstepping their boundary. Plenty of blame to go around. This rebuild has been a failure but I really think Rob deserves a chance to carry out his plan without a non-basketball person affecting the decision making. And at the very least, I feel he should get that chance with a true basketball mind as his boss; not some PR guy that's more focused on profits, sponsors, and competing against Orlando City in a popularity contest.

Bring in Doc, Grant, or Ferry, and let THEM evaluate Rob and his decisions.

[FRESHsince1983]

That Spicer dig was well played my friend.....well played lol. I do agree with the sentiment that Henny has had some meddling from Alex and co hence some of the moves made (Skiles hiring was all Alex and the Tobias trade reaked of Skiles/Martins panicking). That said I don't think that Henny should get another year to pull us out of this hole unless there is truly not a better candidate available. Even then if brought back I think that Henny would be on a very short leash for the 2017-2018 season. I'm not sure if management would let him spend as freely this summer given lasts summers failures, but that's purely my own speculation.

[Nyce_1]

That Spicer dig was well played my friend.....well played lol. I do agree with the sentiment that Henny has had some meddling from Alex and co hence some of the moves made (Skiles hiring was all Alex and the Tobias trade reaked of Skiles/Martins panicking). That said I don't think that Henny should get another year to pull us out of this hole unless there is truly not a better candidate available. Even then if brought back I think that Henny would be on a very short leash for the 2017-2018 season. I'm not sure if management would let him spend as freely this summer given lasts summers failures, but that's purely my own speculation.

Honestly, i wouldn't expect a lot of spending this summer. I think they should hire a PBO to get Alex out of this lane, and let that new hire evaluate Rob after 1 year (see how he handles draft, trade talks, and roster tweaks (with PBO approval)). If then, the PBO thinks Rob isn't adequate enough to carry us forward, fire him. But if he thinks Rob and his ideas have us in the right direction and decides to keep him another couple years, cool. Regardless, Martins shouldn't be the one to fire Rob for past mistakes that Alex initiated.

[OrlChamps2030]

Dude, everybody know what's going on. It doesn't matter if Martins has meddled or not, he's a made man to the Devos family and he's not going anywhere. Neither him or Hennigan are innocent in this failed rebuild, but you can be for damn sure that the lower guy on the totem pole is always going to get whacked before his boss does.

It does to matter. 95% of this board blames Rob only. I'm not saying Rob doesn't deserve blame, but he doesn't deserve to shoulder all of it. Martins deserves his fare share.

Also you just said everybody knows what's going on, but a few posts ago you denied it and said you need full proof. WTF?

No it does not matter how accurately fans can divvy up the blame between Hennigan and Martins. It's irrelevant, because the only one who's going to fired over this situation is Hennigan. Martins knows fans are pissed and he's going to let Hennigan take 100% of the blame when he cans his ass.

Exactly this.

Martins getting fired really isn't even an option.

It's such an easy out for the Magic brass to fire Hennigan.. Not sure how some aren't seeing that.

[amkyka1956]

i hope they can find a way to keep him. Hire Doc as PBO and keep Rob as GM. At least he'll have a basketball mind to help him construct the team.

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

Please provide concrete evidence concerning meddling and hinder ace.

[Nemesis21]

That Spicer dig was well played my friend.....well played lol. I do agree with the sentiment that Henny has had some meddling from Alex and co hence some of the moves made (Skiles hiring was all Alex and the Tobias trade reaked of Skiles/Martins panicking). That said I don't think that Henny should get another year to pull us out of this hole unless there is truly not a better candidate available. Even then if brought back I think that Henny would be on a very short leash for the 2017-2018 season. I'm not sure if management would let him spend as freely this summer given lasts summers failures, but that's purely my own speculation.

Honestly, i wouldn't expect a lot of spending this summer. I think they should hire a PBO to get Alex out of this lane, and let that new hire evaluate Rob after 1 year (see how he handles draft, trade talks, and roster tweaks (with PBO approval)). If then, the PBO thinks Rob isn't adequate enough to carry us forward, fire him. But if he thinks Rob and his ideas have us in the right direction and decides to keep him another couple years, cool. Regardless, Martins shouldn't be the one to fire Rob for past mistakes that Alex initiated.

[Nemesis21]

It does to matter. 95% of this board blames Rob only. I'm not saying Rob doesn't deserve blame, but he doesn't deserve to shoulder all of it. Martins deserves his fare share.

Also you just said everybody knows what's going on, but a few posts ago you denied it and said you need full proof. WTF?

No it does not matter how accurately fans can divvy up the blame between Hennigan and Martins. It's irrelevant, because the only one who's going to fired over this situation is Hennigan. Martins knows fans are pissed and he's going to let Hennigan take 100% of the blame when he cans his ass.

Exactly this.

Martins getting fired really isn't even an option.

It's such an easy out for the Magic brass to fire Hennigan.. Not sure how some aren't seeing that.

Lol that's a cop out. Just because it's an easy out, doesn't make it right. Martins has no business being in the position he is in, yes even though he's tight with RDV.

[Nemesis21]

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

Please provide concrete evidence concerning meddling and hinder ace.

Please provide concrete evidence that there has not been any meddling.

[OrlandoNed]

Dude, everybody know what's going on. It doesn't matter if Martins has meddled or not, he's a made man to the Devos family and he's not going anywhere. Neither him or Hennigan are innocent in this failed rebuild, but you can be for damn sure that the lower guy on the totem pole is always going to get whacked before his boss does.

It does to matter. 95% of this board blames Rob only. I'm not saying Rob doesn't deserve blame, but he doesn't deserve to shoulder all of it. Martins deserves his fare share.

Also you just said everybody knows what's going on, but a few posts ago you denied it and said you need full proof. WTF?

Glad I didn't have to point this out myself.

OrlandoNed,

I get what you're saying but my point is that it is hard for someone to do a job they were hired to do, effectively, when their boss keeps overstepping their boundary. Plenty of blame to go around. This rebuild has been a failure but I really think Rob deserves a chance to carry out his plan without a non-basketball person affecting the decision making. And at the very least, I feel he should get that chance with a true basketball mind as his boss; not some PR guy that's more focused on profits, sponsors, and competing against Orlando City in a popularity contest.

Bring in Doc, Grant, or Ferry, and let THEM evaluate Rob and his decisions.

My question for you is: How are we going to know when Rob is or isn't being interfered with?

It'd be nice if Martins was gone, but he's not going to recuse himself to make sure Hennigan is getting a fair shake. Martins knows fans are pissed and he's going to put Rob in front of the firing squad to take the blame and hire someone else. I don't care if the situation is fair to Rob or not, both he and Martins are responsible for this mess but he is the only one who will be held accountable because Martins is the one with the authority to fire him. Martins is not going to fall on the sword of his that he just used to whack his scapegoat Hennigan for the sake of fairness. We simply have to accept that Martins is sticking around and is going to have some say over roster decisions.

[Nyce_1]

If a GM doesn't know how to construct a team after 5 years then he shouldn't be a GM. Hennigan had his chance and failed. There is zero reason for him to stay employed.

if he had 5 years to do his job with zero interference from dumbass, 1000% agree. But, when your boss is meddling and hindering your process, then I'm gonna give you benefit of doubt.

Please provide concrete evidence concerning meddling and hinder ace.

Kellyanne?

[FRESHsince1983]

That Spicer dig was well played my friend.....well played lol. I do agree with the sentiment that Henny has had some meddling from Alex and co hence some of the moves made (Skiles hiring was all Alex and the Tobias trade reaked of Skiles/Martins panicking). That said I don't think that Henny should get another year to pull us out of this hole unless there is truly not a better candidate available. Even then if brought back I think that Henny would be on a very short leash for the 2017-2018 season. I'm not sure if management would let him spend as freely this summer given lasts summers failures, but that's purely my own speculation.

Honestly, i wouldn't expect a lot of spending this summer. I think they should hire a PBO to get Alex out of this lane, and let that new hire evaluate Rob after 1 year (see how he handles draft, trade talks, and roster tweaks (with PBO approval)). If then, the PBO thinks Rob isn't adequate enough to carry us forward, fire him. But if he thinks Rob and his ideas have us in the right direction and decides to keep him another couple years, cool. Regardless, Martins shouldn't be the one to fire Rob for past mistakes that Alex initiated.

I can get behind that plan!