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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#181 » by j-ragg » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:21 pm

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If Kings are stupid enough to accept a deal like that, you take it and run.

I dont think trading good starter for overpriced backup with bad attitude is such a great idea.


Hmmm, what do I want... a guard who scores 20ppg on 39% from 3 (with extremely high volume), or a bad defensive C who is soft and shoots jumpers most of the time. I guess if you're a massive homer, you'd take Vuc.

I doubt the Kings would do it, but can't hurt to try. Buddy's archetype of player is much more valuable in today's NBA imo.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#182 » by OrlandoNed » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:36 pm

j-ragg wrote:
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zaymon wrote:I dont think trading good starter for overpriced backup with bad attitude is such a great idea.


Hmmm, what do I want... a guard who scores 20ppg on 39% from 3 (with extremely high volume), or a bad defensive C who is soft and shoots jumpers most of the time. I guess if you're a massive homer, you'd take Vuc.

I doubt the Kings would do it, but can't hurt to try. Buddy's archetype of player is much more valuable in today's NBA imo.

I mean, that Fournier + Vuc for Cousins was a rumor that floated around a little in the late stages of the Henny Era. Never doubt the ability of the Kings doing Kings stuff.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#183 » by pepe1991 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:40 pm

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j-ragg wrote:
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Hmmm, what do I want... a guard who scores 20ppg on 39% from 3 (with extremely high volume), or a bad defensive C who is soft and shoots jumpers most of the time. I guess if you're a massive homer, you'd take Vuc.

I doubt the Kings would do it, but can't hurt to try. Buddy's archetype of player is much more valuable in today's NBA imo.

I mean, that Fournier + Vuc for Cousins was a rumor that floated around a little in the late stages of the Henny Era. Never doubt the ability of the Kings doing Kings stuff.


That Vuc and Evan for Cousins would have been Kings robbery.
If he got to Orlando he would either walk as free agent or sing max contract, and last time he looked good was in February of 2018. Two years ago.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#184 » by OrlandoNed » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:46 pm

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j-ragg wrote:I doubt the Kings would do it, but can't hurt to try. Buddy's archetype of player is much more valuable in today's NBA imo.

I mean, that Fournier + Vuc for Cousins was a rumor that floated around a little in the late stages of the Henny Era. Never doubt the ability of the Kings doing Kings stuff.


That Vuc and Evan for Cousins would have been Kings robbery.
If he got to Orlando he would either walk as free agent or sing max contract, and last time he looked good was in February of 2018. Two years ago.

Tearing an Achilles doesn't help.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#185 » by pepe1991 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:03 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:I mean, that Fournier + Vuc for Cousins was a rumor that floated around a little in the late stages of the Henny Era. Never doubt the ability of the Kings doing Kings stuff.


That Vuc and Evan for Cousins would have been Kings robbery.
If he got to Orlando he would either walk as free agent or sing max contract, and last time he looked good was in February of 2018. Two years ago.

Tearing an Achilles doesn't help.


He only played 17 games for Pelicans after a trade, and next season he lasted for 48 games, and that's pretty much it.
Everything with Warriors was just painful to watch.

Another player that plyed his best games before turning 28.

Crazy part about him is that he is only 29, yet it feels like ages since he has been relevant or "star"
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#186 » by j-ragg » Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:06 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
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j-ragg wrote:I doubt the Kings would do it, but can't hurt to try. Buddy's archetype of player is much more valuable in today's NBA imo.

I mean, that Fournier + Vuc for Cousins was a rumor that floated around a little in the late stages of the Henny Era. Never doubt the ability of the Kings doing Kings stuff.


That Vuc and Evan for Cousins would have been Kings robbery.
If he got to Orlando he would either walk as free agent or sing max contract, and last time he looked good was in February of 2018. Two years ago.

Boogie was thought of as a legit star back then. It would've been robbery like our Dwight to LA trade was a robbery. Looked bad at the time but a bunch of **** happened no one really expected so we kinda won by default. Funny how stuff works out, people said Heild and the 10th pick was a crap return. Not bad given everything that happened.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#187 » by pepe1991 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:58 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:I mean, that Fournier + Vuc for Cousins was a rumor that floated around a little in the late stages of the Henny Era. Never doubt the ability of the Kings doing Kings stuff.


That Vuc and Evan for Cousins would have been Kings robbery.
If he got to Orlando he would either walk as free agent or sing max contract, and last time he looked good was in February of 2018. Two years ago.

Boogie was thought of as a legit star back then. It would've been robbery like our Dwight to LA trade was a robbery. Looked bad at the time but a bunch of **** happened no one really expected so we kinda won by default. Funny how stuff works out, people said Heild and the 10th pick was a crap return. Not bad given everything that happened.



yea it takes time to know who won trade. Except it's Sabonis and Oladipo for Ibaka :lol:
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#188 » by OrlMagic05 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:04 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
That Vuc and Evan for Cousins would have been Kings robbery.
If he got to Orlando he would either walk as free agent or sing max contract, and last time he looked good was in February of 2018. Two years ago.

Boogie was thought of as a legit star back then. It would've been robbery like our Dwight to LA trade was a robbery. Looked bad at the time but a bunch of **** happened no one really expected so we kinda won by default. Funny how stuff works out, people said Heild and the 10th pick was a crap return. Not bad given everything that happened.



yea it takes time to know who won trade. Except it's Sabonis and Oladipo for Ibaka :lol:


That has to go down as one of the worst trades in NBA history! two all stars for a guy that played half a season to later be traded for a mid first rounder that we eventually traded away for NOTHING! lol
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Post#189 » by NBlue » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:46 pm

Max Power wrote:Has any one of us ever stopped and really contemplated the trade ideas that we put up here? I’m guilty of this too so I’m not ripping anyone for their ideas. We’re always putting up trade ideas for guys on teams similar to ours. Mid range teams at best. I’ll use Buddy Hield as the example since he’s the name of the moment. Has Hield lead the Kings anywhere? They’re a 30 win team like the Magic. I had an epiphany, so how would trades for guys like him, John Collins or an Andre Drummond change the fortunes of our franchise when they have the same situation with their current teams. Just food for thought...our fortunes are better with Clifford and Fultz has been a successful move and we’ve got life in Orlando now, but this team needs some lead dogs who’s won some games.


I mean, sure, it would be great if we could trade Vooch and Evan for Kawhi and Steph but that's probably not going to happen. The idea of trading Vooch for Hield would be to change the chemistry and makeup of the team putting more responsibility in other places -- would it work - I have no idea. Could make us worse or maybe other players, coupled with the better shooting from Hield, would vault us forward. I'm assuming your point is that there is a point to be made for developing within our system and while I agree with that -- I don't see Vooch as a cornerstone. Right now that's Fultz and Isaac in my mind and that's about it and you want to build a team to be successful around them. To me a guy like Hield is a better long term fit with those guys than Vooch. If you disagree, fine, but I think its absurd to dismiss players because they are on low performing teams. The Pacers have a decent guard now who used to be on a low performing team -- I think he turned out to be a little better than many thought...
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#190 » by pepe1991 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:00 pm

OrlMagic05 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:Boogie was thought of as a legit star back then. It would've been robbery like our Dwight to LA trade was a robbery. Looked bad at the time but a bunch of **** happened no one really expected so we kinda won by default. Funny how stuff works out, people said Heild and the 10th pick was a crap return. Not bad given everything that happened.



yea it takes time to know who won trade. Except it's Sabonis and Oladipo for Ibaka :lol:


That has to go down as one of the worst trades in NBA history! two all stars for a guy that played half a season to later be traded for a mid first rounder that we eventually traded away for NOTHING! lol


Worst nba trades are all old ones, but in last 10 years it has to be considered top 10 worst.

i like and respect Indiana, but at one point they had Paul Geroge and Kawhi Leonard and.... they traded Kawhi for George Hill :lol:
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#191 » by basketballRob » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:46 pm

The Magic did end up with Ross and Fultz for Sabonis and Oladipo.

I guess OKC ended up with SGA, Gallinari, and 5 number 1 picks. Lol

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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#192 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:21 am

I think Mikal Briges for AG is a better fit for us.

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Post#193 » by cedric76 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:14 am

People want Evan gone and wish we had hield or Beal instead

Guess who r on the worst defensive SG list?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2876876-exposing-nbas-worst-defender-at-every-position
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
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Franz, TDS,
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Post#194 » by OrlandoNed » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:24 pm

cedric76 wrote:People want Evan gone and wish we had hield or Beal instead

Guess who r on the worst defensive SG list?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2876876-exposing-nbas-worst-defender-at-every-position

Couldn't care less. They are both better.
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Re: Summer Trades...never too early 

Post#195 » by Tarheel » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:53 pm

cedric76 wrote:People want Evan gone and wish we had hield or Beal instead

Guess who r on the worst defensive SG list?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2876876-exposing-nbas-worst-defender-at-every-position


They would both still improve us - Beal more so than Hield, obviously.

If you were able to swap Fournier out for Beal on this roster you do it 11 times out of 10.
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Post#196 » by cedric76 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:53 pm

Nba2k syndrome
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
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Post#197 » by Tarheel » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:57 pm

cedric76 wrote:Nba2k syndrome


Lol, are you suggesting swapping Fournier out for Beal wouldn't improve us?
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Post#198 » by NBlue » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:09 pm

basketballRob wrote:The Magic did end up with Ross and Fultz for Sabonis and Oladipo.

I guess OKC ended up with SGA, Gallinari, and 5 number 1 picks. Lol

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Saying that the OKC / Toronto deals had anything to do with the Fultz trade stretches credulity. Unless we finish with a top 10 record in the NBA this year that pick conveys in 2022 as a second round pick.
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Post#199 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:32 pm

cedric76 wrote:People want Evan gone and wish we had hield or Beal instead

Guess who r on the worst defensive SG list?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2876876-exposing-nbas-worst-defender-at-every-position


Defense is not why Evan needs to go. (Lack of) Talent is not why Evan needs to go either ...
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Post#200 » by j-ragg » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:54 pm

Tarheel wrote:
cedric76 wrote:Nba2k syndrome


Lol, are you suggesting swapping Fournier out for Beal wouldn't improve us?

I think he believes we should keep this championship core together.
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