Aaron Gordon - In or Out?

[fendilim]

I just dont see us trading AG with Isaacs injury. We have still to see Isaac play a full season. Until he does that if he ever does, cant trade AG. Our offense is already subpar.

Arguable. If we can trade AG for Covington or a better shooter, I think it opens up opportunities for Fultz and even Fournier to drive to the hole.

Shooting is at a premium in this league.

[zaymon]

I just dont see us trading AG with Isaacs injury. We have still to see Isaac play a full season. Until he does that if he ever does, cant trade AG. Our offense is already subpar.

Arguable. If we can trade AG for Covington or a better shooter, I think it opens up opportunities for Fultz and even Fournier to drive to the hole.

Shooting is at a premium in this league.

With Okeke, Aminu, potentially Ennis, #15 and even Clark we are more than capable of replacing Gordon
Fournier can play 3, Ross can play 3, MCW can.
With Fultz making another step we will not need AG limited ball handling.

[fendilim]

I just dont see us trading AG with Isaacs injury. We have still to see Isaac play a full season. Until he does that if he ever does, cant trade AG. Our offense is already subpar.

Arguable. If we can trade AG for Covington or a better shooter, I think it opens up opportunities for Fultz and even Fournier to drive to the hole.

Shooting is at a premium in this league.

With Okeke, Aminu, potentially Ennis, #15 and even Clark we are more than capable of replacing Gordon
Fournier can play 3, Ross can play 3, MCW can.
With Fultz making another step we will not need AG limited ball handling.

Iirc, evan played better as a 3 because he isnt fast enough against other 2s.

Anyway, i’m torn on ennis and clark as a capable replacement for AG tbh. Trading AG will leave a hole in our offense, dont get me wrong. But I think if we can get a 40% shooter 3pt shooter as a replacement, I think it will be addition by subtraction even if we trade him for a player that is less athletic but better shooter

[zaymon]

Arguable. If we can trade AG for Covington or a better shooter, I think it opens up opportunities for Fultz and even Fournier to drive to the hole.

Shooting is at a premium in this league.

With Okeke, Aminu, potentially Ennis, #15 and even Clark we are more than capable of replacing Gordon
Fournier can play 3, Ross can play 3, MCW can.
With Fultz making another step we will not need AG limited ball handling.

Iirc, evan played better as a 3 because he isnt fast enough against other 2s.

Anyway, i’m torn on ennis and clark as a capable replacement for AG tbh. Trading AG will leave a hole in our offense, dont get me wrong. But I think if we can get a 40% shooter 3pt shooter as a replacement, I think it will be addition by subtraction even if we trade him for a player that is less athletic but better shooter

Ennis and Clark wont replace Gordon, but will hold the fort until Isaac returns. Okeke is 22, from all the hype Weltman makes around him i suppose he could be our starter since day 1.
Lets say Fultz makes enough progress as a ball handler ( and from conditioning perspective) that he can be our de facto first option. Fournier is a better second option than Gordon. Okeke is a better shooter than Gordon, Vucevic is a better shooter and passer. What will Gordon do ? Post up again?
If we dont trade him now i fear his value is zero at the deadline.....

[Skybox]

With Okeke, Aminu, potentially Ennis, #15 and even Clark we are more than capable of replacing Gordon
Fournier can play 3, Ross can play 3, MCW can.
With Fultz making another step we will not need AG limited ball handling.

Iirc, evan played better as a 3 because he isnt fast enough against other 2s.

Anyway, i’m torn on ennis and clark as a capable replacement for AG tbh. Trading AG will leave a hole in our offense, dont get me wrong. But I think if we can get a 40% shooter 3pt shooter as a replacement, I think it will be addition by subtraction even if we trade him for a player that is less athletic but better shooter

Ennis and Clark wont replace Gordon, but will hold the fort until Isaac returns. Okeke is 22, from all the hype Weltman makes around him i suppose he could be our starter since day 1.
Lets say Fultz makes enough progress as a ball handler ( and from conditioning perspective) that he can be our de facto first option. Fournier is a better second option than Gordon. Okeke is a better shooter than Gordon, Vucevic is a better shooter and passer. What will Gordon do ? Post up again?
If we dont trade him now i fear his value is zero at the deadline.....

I totally agree with this analysis, from Magic roster perspective, but I also think AG could bring a substantial benefit to the right team/system. In fact, I wouldn’t bet against him ever being an all-star ...unless he stays in Orl. I’d like to look at spot-up guys in a trade and try to draft creator(s). Whole different look by removing AG’s non-shooting, non-posting game from our sometimes stagnant offense. Would Markannen be in play, or Cam Johnson and #10? There are redundancies but could lead to a re-shaping of our offense over a couple of years. I think AG would do really well in BRK, MIN off the top of my head. BRK with AG could out death-lineup GSW with KD and AG as small bigs.

[basketballRob]

With Okeke, Aminu, potentially Ennis, #15 and even Clark we are more than capable of replacing Gordon
Fournier can play 3, Ross can play 3, MCW can.
With Fultz making another step we will not need AG limited ball handling.

Iirc, evan played better as a 3 because he isnt fast enough against other 2s.

Anyway, i’m torn on ennis and clark as a capable replacement for AG tbh. Trading AG will leave a hole in our offense, dont get me wrong. But I think if we can get a 40% shooter 3pt shooter as a replacement, I think it will be addition by subtraction even if we trade him for a player that is less athletic but better shooter

Ennis and Clark wont replace Gordon, but will hold the fort until Isaac returns. Okeke is 22, from all the hype Weltman makes around him i suppose he could be our starter since day 1.
Lets say Fultz makes enough progress as a ball handler ( and from conditioning perspective) that he can be our de facto first option. Fournier is a better second option than Gordon. Okeke is a better shooter than Gordon, Vucevic is a better shooter and passer. What will Gordon do ? Post up again?
If we dont trade him now i fear his value is zero at the deadline.....

Our defense would take a big hit if we trade him. He's probably our best man defender at a vital position. Plus we have Vuc and Fournier in the starting lineup, who are both cones. Fournier gives effort, but he just vertically and athletically challenged. I kind of like the idea of seeing what AG looks like without Fournier.

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[zaymon]

Iirc, evan played better as a 3 because he isnt fast enough against other 2s.

Anyway, i’m torn on ennis and clark as a capable replacement for AG tbh. Trading AG will leave a hole in our offense, dont get me wrong. But I think if we can get a 40% shooter 3pt shooter as a replacement, I think it will be addition by subtraction even if we trade him for a player that is less athletic but better shooter

Ennis and Clark wont replace Gordon, but will hold the fort until Isaac returns. Okeke is 22, from all the hype Weltman makes around him i suppose he could be our starter since day 1.
Lets say Fultz makes enough progress as a ball handler ( and from conditioning perspective) that he can be our de facto first option. Fournier is a better second option than Gordon. Okeke is a better shooter than Gordon, Vucevic is a better shooter and passer. What will Gordon do ? Post up again?
If we dont trade him now i fear his value is zero at the deadline.....

I totally agree with this analysis, from Magic roster perspective, but I also think AG could bring a substantial benefit to the right team/system. In fact, I wouldn’t bet against him ever being an all-star ...unless he stays in Orl. I’d like to look at spot-up guys in a trade and try to draft creator(s). Whole different look by removing AG’s non-shooting, non-posting game from our sometimes stagnant offense. Would Markannen be in play, or Cam Johnson and #10? There are redundancies but could lead to a re-shaping of our offense over a couple of years. I think AG would do really well in BRK, MIN off the top of my head. BRK with AG could out death-lineup GSW with KD and AG as small bigs.

On the other hand i can see a scenario where we wont get a good enough package for Gordon this offseason and we try to raise his value until 2021 deadline. If AG plays smart, adding Okeke could do wonders for our spacing, same as Fultz and Vucevic progress as shooters. It all depends on Clifford scheme and i think he is willing to sacrifice some winning for well being of organization.
Best case unreal scenario is AG being all star and trading him in a package for Harden.

[MagicFan101]

Ennis and Clark wont replace Gordon, but will hold the fort until Isaac returns. Okeke is 22, from all the hype Weltman makes around him i suppose he could be our starter since day 1.
Lets say Fultz makes enough progress as a ball handler ( and from conditioning perspective) that he can be our de facto first option. Fournier is a better second option than Gordon. Okeke is a better shooter than Gordon, Vucevic is a better shooter and passer. What will Gordon do ? Post up again?
If we dont trade him now i fear his value is zero at the deadline.....

I totally agree with this analysis, from Magic roster perspective, but I also think AG could bring a substantial benefit to the right team/system. In fact, I wouldn’t bet against him ever being an all-star ...unless he stays in Orl. I’d like to look at spot-up guys in a trade and try to draft creator(s). Whole different look by removing AG’s non-shooting, non-posting game from our sometimes stagnant offense. Would Markannen be in play, or Cam Johnson and #10? There are redundancies but could lead to a re-shaping of our offense over a couple of years. I think AG would do really well in BRK, MIN off the top of my head. BRK with AG could out death-lineup GSW with KD and AG as small bigs.

On the other hand i can see a scenario where we wont get a good enough package for Gordon this offseason and we try to raise his value until 2021 deadline. If AG plays smart, adding Okeke could do wonders for our spacing, same as Fultz and Vucevic progress as shooters. It all depends on Clifford scheme and i think he is willing to sacrifice some winning for well being of organization.
Best case unreal scenario is AG being all star and trading him in a package for Harden.

AG for Harden?

Why not make it a 3-team deal for Harden + Giannis back to Orlando while you’re at it.

[zaymon]

I totally agree with this analysis, from Magic roster perspective, but I also think AG could bring a substantial benefit to the right team/system. In fact, I wouldn’t bet against him ever being an all-star ...unless he stays in Orl. I’d like to look at spot-up guys in a trade and try to draft creator(s). Whole different look by removing AG’s non-shooting, non-posting game from our sometimes stagnant offense. Would Markannen be in play, or Cam Johnson and #10? There are redundancies but could lead to a re-shaping of our offense over a couple of years. I think AG would do really well in BRK, MIN off the top of my head. BRK with AG could out death-lineup GSW with KD and AG as small bigs.

On the other hand i can see a scenario where we wont get a good enough package for Gordon this offseason and we try to raise his value until 2021 deadline. If AG plays smart, adding Okeke could do wonders for our spacing, same as Fultz and Vucevic progress as shooters. It all depends on Clifford scheme and i think he is willing to sacrifice some winning for well being of organization.
Best case unreal scenario is AG being all star and trading him in a package for Harden.

AG for Harden?

Why not make it a 3-team deal for Harden + Giannis back to Orlando while you’re at it.

We could also trade your intelect and sense of humor, well only if Houston can be convinced you are such a gifted person without ability to read with understanding.

[MagicFan101]

On the other hand i can see a scenario where we wont get a good enough package for Gordon this offseason and we try to raise his value until 2021 deadline. If AG plays smart, adding Okeke could do wonders for our spacing, same as Fultz and Vucevic progress as shooters. It all depends on Clifford scheme and i think he is willing to sacrifice some winning for well being of organization.
Best case unreal scenario is AG being all star and trading him in a package for Harden.

AG for Harden?

Why not make it a 3-team deal for Harden + Giannis back to Orlando while you’re at it.

We could also trade your intelect and sense of humor, well only if Houston can be convinced you are such a gifted person without ability to read with understanding.

*Intellect

lol

[zaymon]

AG for Harden?

Why not make it a 3-team deal for Harden + Giannis back to Orlando while you’re at it.

We could also trade your intelect and sense of humor, well only if Houston can be convinced you are such a gifted person without ability to read with understanding.

*Intellect

lol

Thanks man you are raising your trade value just as we need of Gordon.
On a serious note i wrote that is unrealistic trade scenario. Like crazy unrealistic.
Harden for Gordon, Bamba, Fultz, 2021 frp and 2023 frp.
Something like that.

[PrimeThyme]

Clark really grew on me. Put a playmaker/creator next to him and some more floor spacers, && I think he could be a legitimate starting role player in this league.

Not sure if it will be with us though. Seems like he will be the odd man out with Okeke and Aminu getting inserted in to the mix.

He is easily better then Aminu IMO but the FO paid him too much not to play him.

[Magicfanatic82]

Maybe if we move AG. Aminu can regain value as the starting 4. Okeke should start the year off the bench until he is ready like Fultz did. By the time JI returns maybe Aminu is an asset to trade.

[pepe1991]

Maybe if we move AG. Aminu can regain value as the starting 4. Okeke should start the year off the bench until he is ready like Fultz did. By the time JI returns maybe Aminu is an asset to trade.

I highly doubt Aminu or any other vet can play worst than Aminu did.
He was type of player that was signed to take guys like Giannis in playoffs for 15-20 min and switch everything, maybe even experiment with 3 tall forwards with Isaac at C,Gordon at SF and him at PF... But... he played like trash and got hurt really fast.

[drsd]

I highly doubt Aminu or any other vet can play worst than Aminu did.

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[BadMofoPimp]

Everyone should calm down. AG, Fournier and Vooch will retire as Magicians!

[zaymon]

Maybe if we move AG. Aminu can regain value as the starting 4. Okeke should start the year off the bench until he is ready like Fultz did. By the time JI returns maybe Aminu is an asset to trade.

I highly doubt Aminu or any other vet can play worst than Aminu did.
He was type of player that was signed to take guys like Giannis in playoffs for 15-20 min and switch everything, maybe even experiment with 3 tall forwards with Isaac at C,Gordon at SF and him at PF... But... he played like trash and got hurt really fast.

Aminu isnt 20, we knew who he was when we signed him. He was in a bad spot last year, without consistent role and minutes. He is average starter or good backup on one of the most important position for role players. I would definetly not sell low on him.

[pepe1991]

I highly doubt Aminu or any other vet can play worst than Aminu did.

What ?!?!?


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He is career 8 ppg ,51% TS player who signed with Magic , comming off 9 points , 57% TS season, to drop off map and average 4 points on beyond pathetic 39,5% TS. ( one of worst in whole damn league).

At age of 29? That looks like fluky -terrible run that ended in season ending injury more than what is reality of him as a player.

Now, injury might kill his career, but if he can be back in 2019 shape, he will be solid contributor for Orlando. Nothing special, solid.

[drsd]

I highly doubt Aminu or any other vet can play worst than Aminu did.

What ?!?!?


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He is career 8 ppg ,51% TS player who signed with Magic , comming off 9 points , 57% TS season, to drop off map and average 4 points on beyond pathetic 39,5% TS. ( one of worst in whole damn league).

At age of 29? That looks like fluky -terrible run that ended in season ending injury more than what is reality of him as a player.

Now, injury might kill his career, but if he can be back in 2019 shape, he will be solid contributor for Orlando. Nothing special, solid.

You said, "I highly doubt Aminu ... can play worst than Aminu ..."

If you are saying next year's Aminu will be better than last year's, then fine. But the structure of the sentence does not lead to that point.

I had assumed one of the two Amino's was meant to be "Gordon".


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[UnFadeable21]

Would Magic Fans do #15, Gordon and a 2021 1st for # 1, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman?