Who are you eyeing with the Chicago pick?

[RookieStar]

What about the Chi pick, plus 2022 1st, top 3 protected and Ross for TJ Warren??
he'd be a FA after 2022, but we'd have the space to sign him.

How did TJ Warren warrant that price tag? Did I sleep through his consecutive all-star seasons or what?

[drsd]

What about the Chi pick, plus 2022 1st, top 3 protected and Ross for TJ Warren??
he'd be a FA after 2022, but we'd have the space to sign him.

You have kind of answered your own question; that is too much to surrender basically only for Bird rights.


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[drsd]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

[RookieStar]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

A 2-3-4 handyman (do-it-all) which still has a lot of upside is a safe choice after all. However, I think a lot would change their picks after the combine/measurement/interviews happen.

[pepe1991]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

I don't really get why. His brother plays for us now, his brother should be better player due bigger, stronger frame, despite that, he is on exit doors of nba after 3 seasons.

[Knightro]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

I don't really get why. His brother plays for us now, his brother should be better player due bigger, stronger frame, despite that, he is on exit doors of nba after 3 seasons.

Franz seems much more versatile defensively than his older brother. He defended in space at a *much* higher level in college than Moritz ever did. From what I recall, Moe defended much more like a center at Michigan than any sort of wing.

Moritz is more of a classic tweener big in my eyes. He’s a poor rebounder, so he can’t really play major minutes at center, but he’s also poor at defending in space which limits his ability to play major minutes at power forward too. So he’s mostly stuck between positions even though he can score a little bit.

Franz really reminds me of a younger, healthier version of Okeke. A high ceiling, mistake free 3/4 who does a little bit of a lot of things well, but nothing incredible.

But considering he’ll be two full years younger than Okeke was when he finally made his NBA debut, the potential for more appears to be there.

[pepe1991]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

I don't really get why. His brother plays for us now, his brother should be better player due bigger, stronger frame, despite that, he is on exit doors of nba after 3 seasons.

Franz seems much more versatile defensively than his older brother. He defended in space at a *much* higher level in college than Moritz ever did. From what I recall, Moe defended much more like a center at Michigan than any sort of wing.

Moritz is more of a classic tweener big in my eyes. He’s a poor rebounder, so he can’t really play major minutes at center, but he’s also poor at defending in space which limits his ability to play major minutes at power forward too. So he’s mostly stuck between positions even though he can score a little bit.

Franz really reminds me of a younger, healthier version of Okeke. A high ceiling, mistake free 3/4 who does a little bit of a lot of things well, but nothing incredible.

But considering he’ll be two full years younger than Okeke was when he finally made his NBA debut, the potential for more appears to be there.

Franz seems much more versatile defensively than his older brother. He defended in space at a *much* higher level in college than Moritz ever did. From what I recall, Moe defended much more like a center at Michigan than any sort of wing.

Because he is 6'8- 6'9 and Mo is 6'11- 7'0.

I just don't see it with Franz. He is still mediocre athlete who is 6'9, who isn't ballhandler and who also can't really shoot from outside all that well. What will his role be? I mean it's not like he will go to nba and become some uber elite defender who you will put on George or Kawhi. He will end up playing PF mostly because he probably won't be able to stay in front of SFs. With Okeke, Isaac why do we want another mediocre shooter who can't put ball on the floor?

To me, Okeke is not lottery worthy type of archetype. You can find guys like him every year later in first round or even second round picks. Pokusevski,McDaniels, Brandon Clarke, Sekou Doumbouya, OG Anunoby, John Collins....
all are fairly swimilar type of players who weren't lottery picks but brought lot of value. Okeke, himself, wasn't lottery pick nor he showed in rookie year ( at age of 22) that he should have been one.

If i'm drafting 9th, or 10th there is chance that my pick will be some bench player ( last 20 years only good players drafted 10th were Joe Johnson, George and McCullum ), why not just gamble on Josh Christopher who was once considered top 5-10 pick and who is uber athletic 6'4 shooting guard in body of strong 215 pounds athlete instad of looking guys like Franz Wagner , unathletic 6'8 PF who also can't really shoot from outside? What are we doing here ? Searching for new Zach Collins? Reforging our bench with no starting caliber players in sight ? You just have to roll with some higher risk moves if you want star player.

[GelbeWand09]

My no.1 priority for the chi pick is still using it for a trade up. With the lone 3rd place now, there is a good chance we land 5th & maybe its enough to get Suggs or Green in that case (Cade probably not).

[tiderulz]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

A 2-3-4 handyman (do-it-all) which still has a lot of upside is a safe choice after all. However, I think a lot would change their picks after the combine/measurement/interviews happen.

what are you expecting to see/hear that would change minds?

[tiderulz]

I don't really get why. His brother plays for us now, his brother should be better player due bigger, stronger frame, despite that, he is on exit doors of nba after 3 seasons.

Franz seems much more versatile defensively than his older brother. He defended in space at a *much* higher level in college than Moritz ever did. From what I recall, Moe defended much more like a center at Michigan than any sort of wing.

Moritz is more of a classic tweener big in my eyes. He’s a poor rebounder, so he can’t really play major minutes at center, but he’s also poor at defending in space which limits his ability to play major minutes at power forward too. So he’s mostly stuck between positions even though he can score a little bit.

Franz really reminds me of a younger, healthier version of Okeke. A high ceiling, mistake free 3/4 who does a little bit of a lot of things well, but nothing incredible.

But considering he’ll be two full years younger than Okeke was when he finally made his NBA debut, the potential for more appears to be there.

Franz seems much more versatile defensively than his older brother. He defended in space at a *much* higher level in college than Moritz ever did. From what I recall, Moe defended much more like a center at Michigan than any sort of wing.

Because he is 6'8- 6'9 and Mo is 6'11- 7'0.

I just don't see it with Franz. He is still mediocre athlete who is 6'9, who isn't ballhandler and who also can't really shoot from outside all that well. What will his role be? I mean it's not like he will go to nba and become some uber elite defender who you will put on George or Kawhi. He will end up playing PF mostly because he probably won't be able to stay in front of SFs. With Okeke, Isaac why do we want another mediocre shooter who can't put ball on the floor?

To me, Okeke is not lottery worthy type of archetype. You can find guys like him every year later in first round or even second round picks. Pokusevski,McDaniels, Brandon Clarke, Sekou Doumbouya, OG Anunoby, John Collins....
all are fairly swimilar type of players who weren't lottery picks but brought lot of value. Okeke, himself, wasn't lottery pick nor he showed in rookie year ( at age of 22) that he should have been one.

If i'm drafting 9th, or 10th there is chance that my pick will be some bench player ( last 20 years only good players drafted 10th were Joe Johnson, George and McCullum ), why not just gamble on Josh Christopher who was once considered top 5-10 pick and who is uber athletic 6'4 shooting guard in body of strong 215 pounds athlete instad of looking guys like Franz Wagner , unathletic 6'8 PF who also can't really shoot from outside? What are we doing here ? Searching for new Zach Collins? Reforging our bench with no starting caliber players in sight ? You just have to roll with some higher risk moves if you want star player.

isnt Josh the player you usually criticize? Player who cant shoot relying on athleticism.

[The Effect]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

I don't really get why. His brother plays for us now, his brother should be better player due bigger, stronger frame, despite that, he is on exit doors of nba after 3 seasons.

Yeah i dont get it either
Michigan is my 2nd favorite college team and i REALLY dont get the hype. Hes good, but not top 10 pick good....I MUST be missing something

[The Effect]

My no.1 priority for the chi pick is still using it for a trade up. With the lone 3rd place now, there is a good chance we land 5th & maybe its enough to get Suggs or Green in that case (Cade probably not).

Most wont agree but if we land 5th, im with you, use it to trade up to get cade, green or suggs (in that order for me) i think the drop off between them and everyone else is enough to warrant a trade up

[drsd]

My no.1 priority for the chi pick is still using it for a trade up. With the lone 3rd place now, there is a good chance we land 5th & maybe its enough to get Suggs or Green in that case (Cade probably not).

Most wont agree but if we land 5th, im with you, use it to trade up to get cade, green or suggs (in that order for me) i think the drop off between them and everyone else is enough to warrant a trade up

If the Magic draft 4 and however at 4 picks Green, I would hope that the Kuminga's rights at 5 and the Bulls pick at a probable 9 would be enough to move up a slot.

[tiderulz]

My no.1 priority for the chi pick is still using it for a trade up. With the lone 3rd place now, there is a good chance we land 5th & maybe its enough to get Suggs or Green in that case (Cade probably not).

Most wont agree but if we land 5th, im with you, use it to trade up to get cade, green or suggs (in that order for me) i think the drop off between them and everyone else is enough to warrant a trade up

If the Magic draft 4 and however at 4 picks Green, I would hope that the Kuminga's rights at 5 and the Bulls pick at a probable 9 would be enough to move up a slot.

if we draft at 4, and someone else picks Green(?) at 4, we would draft Kuminga at 5 plus #9 to move up? im a little lost

[RookieStar]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

A 2-3-4 handyman (do-it-all) which still has a lot of upside is a safe choice after all. However, I think a lot would change their picks after the combine/measurement/interviews happen.

what are you expecting to see/hear that would change minds?

Some examples? Well I'll list some and it could rise or fall some stock drafts

1.) Jalen Green is really just 6'3 barefoot
2.) Suggs is 6'4 barefoot but have a lingering medical problem
3.) Jalen Johnson's interview confirmed that he is dumb as bricks and have a tendecncy to quit when things go rough
4.) Kispert has tremendous wingspan and is more athletic than we thought
5.) Mobley's shoulders/build means he won't be effective bulking up
6.) Bouknight is a legit 6'5 with above average wingspan and has a high bbiq
7.) Sengun is really 6'8 barefoot and is hardheaded difficult to teach
8.) Moody has low bbiq

[RookieStar]

Seems like everyone has Wagner on there list, and he is evolving to a consensus choice here.

I don't really get why. His brother plays for us now, his brother should be better player due bigger, stronger frame, despite that, he is on exit doors of nba after 3 seasons.

Yeah i dont get it either
Michigan is my 2nd favorite college team and i REALLY dont get the hype. Hes good, but not top 10 pick good....I MUST be missing something

Maybe because he is 6'9-ish SF that gives them Gordon Hayward vibes? Plus he is young enough that he still has the dreaded "potential" factor.

[Skybox]

I still like Kispert here...he didn't have a great tourney but he's a REAL shooter and he's got a solid, athletic frame and mindset for defense. Unlimited ceiling with our first pick, high floor with our second.

[Gomagic44]

I want Moody or Wagner with Chicago pick, assuming pick 10.

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[Dub_Sax]

Well if the magic don't get #1, Im eyeing them combining the chi pick with WHO/WHAT EVER(literally) to get Cade!

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[RookieStar]

I have a gut feeling due to us having a lack of PFs we pick jalen johnson especially after the interview they see nothing wrong with him. Jalen is a PF and our FO can fool us saying he is a wing lol