What do we give to get Ben Simmons?

[basketballRob]

Ben Simmons makes nearly double what Isaac makes. I don't think Simmons impact on winning is twice as much as Isaac. And yes Isaac is a physical late bloomer. Some people physically develop at different rates than others. Ben Simmons has been the same size since his Montverde days.

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[Knightro]

I'm really high on Isaac but, even without injuries (!) he cannot be compared to Ben Simmons' on-court skillset. You can run that "scared to dunk" reel over and over in your head all you want, but Simmons has (read Pepe's highlight reel for details)...Isaac, IMO, has top 25 potential ...but it's a longshot. I'm happy to roll with Isaac, but Simmons would be a MAJOR upgrade.

Ben Simmons is a top 30 player in the league right now. He certainly has warts, but he's a legitimate all-star and all-NBA defender.

Isaac has great defensive potential, but he's suffered multiple major injuries already and hasn't shown much offensively all things considered. Plus he's only a year younger than Simmons, so it's not like Isaac has a ton of untapped growth.

[basketballRob]

I still think Isaac can be a 40% 3 pt shooter. He was up to 50/40/90 for a brief stint in his last season.

If healthy for the next 4 seasons, I think Isaac makes 1 or 2 allstar teams.

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[tiderulz]

I still think Isaac can be a 40% 3 pt shooter. He was up to 50/40/90 for a brief stint in his last season.

If healthy for the next 4 seasons, I think Isaac makes 1 or 2 allstar teams.

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that was literally 4 games. and was only because of one night of 5-7. he was 0-5 combined in the 3 other games.

[PrimeThyme]

Even if you ignored the fact that Ben is going to make 35 plus million dollars a year over the next 3 seasons and proved to be almost unplayable during crunch time in the playoffs last year, the glaring reality that we are a small market team and Simmons is an insecure superstar who is managed by Klutch Sports would be enough to deter me from this trade.

There are a lot of concerning factors at play here, that we as a small market rebuilding team need to consider.

[basketballRob]

I still think Isaac can be a 40% 3 pt shooter. He was up to 50/40/90 for a brief stint in his last season.

If healthy for the next 4 seasons, I think Isaac makes 1 or 2 allstar teams.

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that was literally 4 games. and was only because of one night of 5-7. he was 0-5 combined in the 3 other games.

I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

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[Knightro]

I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

I will gladly bet any terms you are comfortable with that Isaac doesn't even come within 5% of any of the three categories of a 50/40/90.

The dude is a career .435/.330/.797 for goodness sake

[Knightro]

Even if you ignored the fact that Ben is going to make 35 plus million dollars a year over the next 3 seasons and proved to be almost unplayable during crunch time in the playoffs last year, the glaring reality that we are a small market team and Simmons is an insecure superstar who is managed by Klutch Sports would be enough to deter me from this trade.

There are a lot of concerning factors at play here, that we as a small market rebuilding team need to consider.

I go the opposite way with it. I think Simmons would benefit immensely from being at a place where the media pretty much doesn't exist and there would be no spotlight or microscope on him whatsoever.

That said, I don't think the Magic have the desire to make a trade for Simmons. I think Weltman and Hammond are perfectly content just riding things out and being bad for the next 2-3 years. They got contract extensions, so they're perfectly safe.

[tiderulz]

I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

I will gladly bet any terms you are comfortable with that Isaac doesn't even come within 5% of any of the three categories of a 50/40/90.

The dude is a career .435/.330/.797 for goodness sake

yeah, this is where i am at. do i think he will improve? i hope so. i do not see 50/40/90. he just isnt that good offensively. and its okay, he is a defensive role player. he just needs to figure out what he can do to stay healthy.

[SOUL]

I still think Isaac can be a 40% 3 pt shooter. He was up to 50/40/90 for a brief stint in his last season.

If healthy for the next 4 seasons, I think Isaac makes 1 or 2 allstar teams.

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that was literally 4 games. and was only because of one night of 5-7. he was 0-5 combined in the 3 other games.

I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

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You invite trolling to all the comments you make man lol

50/40/90???

I love Isaac and think his offense isn't as bad as people think but come on.

[MagicFan101]

I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

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Wow …. We need to bookmark this quote.

Forget this season, I’ll give you his entire career!! It still ain’t happening! lol

[nicnac215]

I still think Isaac can be a 40% 3 pt shooter. He was up to 50/40/90 for a brief stint in his last season.

If healthy for the next 4 seasons, I think Isaac makes 1 or 2 allstar teams.

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that was literally 4 games. and was only because of one night of 5-7. he was 0-5 combined in the 3 other games.

I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

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I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

I will gladly bet any terms you are comfortable with that Isaac doesn't even come within 5% of any of the three categories of a 50/40/90.

The dude is a career .435/.330/.797 for goodness sake

Same. I want in on the action too.

[basketballRob]

All arrows point to a big jump in shooting percentages for Isaac.

[basketballRob]

that was literally 4 games. and was only because of one night of 5-7. he was 0-5 combined in the 3 other games.

I'd almost bet the farm that Isaac will be close to 50/40/90 this season.

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You invite trolling to all the comments you make man lol

50/40/90???

I love Isaac and think his offense isn't as bad as people think but come on.

Isaac was a better shooter than his percentages showed in his last season. They should've gave him the occasional night off to keep him fresh. It's obvious his body wasn't ready for 30 mpg with no rest.

I remember his FT percentage being around 90% and hitting a big slump as he got wore down.









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[pepe1991]

Almost 98% of all his 3s are assisted and 64% of all o his 2 FGM are assisted.

And it was on team that wasn't talent depleated and competed for playoffs. Now team has no talent whatsoever and since last time we saw him play, we pretty much traded every single playable basketball player.

He will be rusty, his team won't create easier points for him and he will be higher in "food chain" of offense by default, so teams will defend him more. Guy is career 43,5% FG, 33% for 3 player, given how long he didn't play, it's realistic to expect him play same or worst in terms of efficiency.

[drsd]

Almost 98% of all his 3s are assisted and 64% of all o his 2 FGM are assisted.

And it was on team that wasn't talent depleated and competed for playoffs. Now team has no talent whatsoever and since last time we saw him play, we pretty much traded every single playable basketball player.

He will be rusty, his team won't create easier points for him and he will be higher in "food chain" of offense by default, so teams will defend him more. Guy is career 43,5% FG, 33% for 3 player, given how long he didn't play, it's realistic to expect him play same or worst in terms of efficiency.

That Orlando has never been linked by the press to a Simmons trade offer, I am surprised we are spending so many pixels on him.

In the end Orlando has mini-Simmons in Fultz, and even there there is a clear non-roster fit. Simmons makes as much nonsense as Fultz to this roster.

Orlando needs a 20 ppg+ SG or SF moving forward. And the assets to get there are expirings, Anthony, a couple draft picks and Fultz. That said: it is a mystery to me how management flips all of that for a Terry Rozier type. But it won't be Simmons.

Maybe Harris goes off and returns to the form of his best-ever season, is resigned for less than 20M a season, stays at an efficient 20 ppg over his whole contract, and it is all rainbows and butterflies for 4 years. But that is also not-Simmons.


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[Knightro]

All arrows point to a big jump in shooting percentages for Isaac.

What arrows specifically? Because I certainly don’t see any. Statistically ther little indication that anything is pointing up and beyond that, theoretically speaking, Isaac is going to be asked to do more offensively with Vucevic, Gordon and Fournier all gone.

Usually an increase in usage/variety of shots leads to a *decrease* in efficiency.

If he was a below average shooter before when he was only taking open shots, what will he be when they stick the ball in his hands more?

[basketballRob]

All arrows point to a big jump in shooting percentages for Isaac.

What arrows specifically? Because I certainly don’t see any. Statistically ther little indication that anything is pointing up and beyond that, theoretically speaking, Isaac is going to be asked to do more offensively with Vucevic, Gordon and Fournier all gone.

Usually an increase in usage/variety of shots leads to a *decrease* in efficiency.

If he was a below average shooter before when he was only taking open shots, what will he be when they stick the ball in his hands more?

They'll keep his legs fresh this season. He's improved his shooting every season. He's done nothing but shooting for the past year.

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[basketballRob]

All arrows point to a big jump in shooting percentages for Isaac.

What arrows specifically? Because I certainly don’t see any. Statistically ther little indication that anything is pointing up and beyond that, theoretically speaking, Isaac is going to be asked to do more offensively with Vucevic, Gordon and Fournier all gone.

Usually an increase in usage/variety of shots leads to a *decrease* in efficiency.

If he was a below average shooter before when he was only taking open shots, what will he be when they stick the ball in his hands more?

I recall a lot of his shots came on broken plays when Fournier would dump it off late in the shot clock. They never ran one play for Isaac, ever.

[Skybox]

How many guys in the league actually hit 50/40/90? That's a huge deal for the best shooters in the league...I'd be pleased if he does that for a week. Setting the bar a bit high...maybe Fultz will shoot 38% from 3 - I'd say that's actually more likely