Orlando Magic Official Training Camp Thread - 9/27 to 10/9

[Skybox]

Got to give RJ his flowers.... Just 1 game but he seems ALOT more controlled.... Last season he was out there like a chicken with his head cut off.... So far, night and day difference

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Exciting to hear "the game is slowing down" for him. Being super quick is negated if you're always moving super quick. Change of pace is what makes it tough to guard. He said the right things about prep & film for the MEM game. He could be relevant this year...as much as any of the guards.

[jonbob17]

Got to give RJ his flowers.... Just 1 game but he seems ALOT more controlled.... Last season he was out there like a chicken with his head cut off.... So far, night and day difference

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Exciting to hear "the game is slowing down" for him. Being super quick is negated if you're always moving super quick. Change of pace is what makes it tough to guard. He said the right things about prep & film for the MEM game. He could be relevant this year...as much as any of the guards.

Before the Suggs and Franz picks I would have argued that RJ had as much upside as anybody on this team, and i am sure I did. It was always going to take him a long time as he was so raw.

The shooting was the concern coming in, and he's worked hard at. He shot 38% last year until April when he shot 26%.

He's been wildly inconsistent in the area of the game you would think he would excel...At the rim. 66% as a rookie and 53% last year. He needs to learn how to play under control and finish at the rim and in the paint. It may take him another year or so, but i don't see any reason why he can't be a starting 2 guard with good size and athleticism, that can also be on ball as a secondary playmaker.

I think we are really underestimating him after the egg he laid last year. A lot of these young athletic guards take longer to come around. Simons was atrocious through three years, and broke out in a big way last year. The difference here is RJ might actually turn into a good defender, that and RJ is just entering year 3.

With RJ patience was, and maybe is, always/still the key. We can't speak with such absolution on these young guys. It takes time. Players peak on average at 26-27 not 19.

[Skybox]

I guess that once they're drafted, draft position is no longer relevant (even negative for salary?), like driving a new car off the lot...

I'd say Suggs, Fultz, Cole, RJ are all around the same age and all will have every opportunity to grab their spot in the rotation. Harris and TRoss have their ages and contracts working against them, but are still in the mix. I hope some clear leaders emerge quickly from the pack...we can't go forward with such incredible uncertainty - especially at PG. I really hope the FO is not content to watch a backcourt dumpster fire like last year for very long...trade deadline at the latest, IMO, but preferably sooner.

RJ was a mess last year and looked worse in Summer League, but he's got a real shot to grab it away from Cole and Suggs.

[KillMonger]

Maybe Jalen won't be out as long as we think? Going by his interview he said the medical staff says take it day to day and see how he feels.... Etc...... Injury not as bad as we think?

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[pepe1991]

Maybe Jalen won't be out as long as we think? Going by his interview he said the medical staff says take it day to day and see how he feels.... Etc...... Injury not as bad as we think?

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We'll see MRi results.

If it's negative, like X reys were, we could see him around December or maybe January to get into playing shape.

I don't think we'll see him sooner than that.

If MRI gives not desired results, probably done for a year

[jonbob17]

Maybe Jalen won't be out as long as we think? Going by his interview he said the medical staff says take it day to day and see how he feels.... Etc...... Injury not as bad as we think?

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We'll see MRi results.

If it's negative, like X reys were, we could see him around December or maybe January to get into playing shape.

I don't think we'll see him sooner than that.

If MRI gives not desired results, probably done for a year

I am so sick of the FO playing games with giving out information on injuries. Suggs suggesting he was given a day to day prognosis.
For as ridiculous as Pepe's baseless speculation of a December or January return...it also doesn't seem that out of the question based on previous injuries and lack of communication.

I don't think management would get away with this in a market with a proper media presence. It's one thing for a team to constantly list players as questionable, when they are going to play, but what the Magic is doing is far worse. It's worse for the fanbase, just tell us the truth.

I think the NBA has rules on injury disclosures... i am not sure if the rules are just the injury tags and to "protect" bettors. What the Magic are doing is bull sh*t. Other small market teams play these games too, Memphis is bad at it too.

Every one of the alleged Magic media should ask Weltman about every Magic injured player at the next press conference until they give a proper answer

[pepe1991]

Maybe Jalen won't be out as long as we think? Going by his interview he said the medical staff says take it day to day and see how he feels.... Etc...... Injury not as bad as we think?

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We'll see MRi results.

If it's negative, like X reys were, we could see him around December or maybe January to get into playing shape.

I don't think we'll see him sooner than that.

If MRI gives not desired results, probably done for a year

I am so sick of the FO playing games with giving out information on injuries. Suggs suggesting he was given a day to day prognosis.
For as ridiculous as Pepe's baseless speculation of a December or January return...it also doesn't seem that out of the question based on previous injuries and lack of communication.

I don't think management would get away with this in a market with a proper media presence. It's one thing for a team to constantly list players as questionable, when they are going to play, but what the Magic is doing is far worse. It's worse for the fanbase, just tell us the truth.

I think the NBA has rules on injury disclosures... i am not sure if the rules are just the injury tags and to "protect" bettors. What the Magic are doing is bull sh*t. Other small market teams play these games too, Memphis is bad at it too.

Every one of the alleged Magic media should ask Weltman about every Magic injured player at the next press conference until they give a proper answer

"baseless"

According to Dr. Tony Wanich, MD, an orthopedic surgeon at the HSS Sports Medicine Institute in New York, a capsule sprain typically takes 2-4 weeks to heal. Though, a bone bruise can take up to six weeks to recover.

“The nice thing is, a lot of it is really going to be driven by his symptoms” explains Wanich. “With these types of injuries, it’s sore and painful, but as soon as his pain subsides, he really can start to resume training and playing. Structurally, everything is intact.”

Literally orthopedic surgeon's opinion. 4 to 6 weeks + proper training means timetable is December / January..

[Magic_Kingdom]

So Suggs only played 48 games his rookie year, and could potentially miss up to 2 months to start this season. Guess we'll just wait until next season to see if he can improve his shot. Nice pick!

[jonbob17]

"baseless"

According to Dr. Tony Wanich, MD, an orthopedic surgeon at the HSS Sports Medicine Institute in New York, a capsule sprain typically takes 2-4 weeks to heal. Though, a bone bruise can take up to six weeks to recover.

“The nice thing is, a lot of it is really going to be driven by his symptoms” explains Wanich. “With these types of injuries, it’s sore and painful, but as soon as his pain subsides, he really can start to resume training and playing. Structurally, everything is intact.”

Literally orthopedic surgeon's opinion. 4 to 6 weeks + proper training means timetable is December / January..

Sorry, i guess you did base it off a doctors opinion who says he should be ready between October 21st(2 weeks) and Nov 18th (6 weeks), while also being able to resume training as soon as pain subsides. So if it takes a while (6 weeks); suggesting at least 34 days for him to get into game shape, if he were to return Jan1. Mid January call it 49 days of getting into game shape.

I said you could be right, we won't know, because the Magic won't tell us. And even if they do it could be part of a strategy to lose more games, though I am not positive Suggs being off the court helps too much in that matter, other than defensively, at least at the moment.

[pepe1991]

"baseless"

According to Dr. Tony Wanich, MD, an orthopedic surgeon at the HSS Sports Medicine Institute in New York, a capsule sprain typically takes 2-4 weeks to heal. Though, a bone bruise can take up to six weeks to recover.

“The nice thing is, a lot of it is really going to be driven by his symptoms” explains Wanich. “With these types of injuries, it’s sore and painful, but as soon as his pain subsides, he really can start to resume training and playing. Structurally, everything is intact.”

Literally orthopedic surgeon's opinion. 4 to 6 weeks + proper training means timetable is December / January..

Sorry, i mispoke not baseless you are basing this off a doctors opinion who says he should be ready between October 21st(2 weeks) and Nov 18th (6 weeks), while also being able to resume training as soon as pain subsides. So if it takes a while (6 weeks); suggesting at least 34 days for him to get into game shape, if he were to return Jan1. Mid January call it 49 days of getting into game shape.

I said you could be right, we won't know, because the Magic won't tell us. And even if they do it could be part of a strategy to lose more games, though I am not positive Suggs being off the court helps in that matter.

I only replyed because i lauged at "baseless" part of comment.
My " late december/ January" was something that probably is most realistic target. Now few weeks earlier or later won't really make that much difference.

But ofc, it's same injury ( i think? I'm no doctor) that kept Lonzo for almost whole year. But also some players returned fairly quick.


As for second part, Suggs probably doesn't move winning needle to the point where holding him back would make sense, especially because he is 5th pick himself and needs to show progress but more than anything needs repetition to get better.

[JF5]

Maybe Jalen won't be out as long as we think? Going by his interview he said the medical staff says take it day to day and see how he feels.... Etc...... Injury not as bad as we think?

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We'll see MRi results.

If it's negative, like X reys were, we could see him around December or maybe January to get into playing shape.

I don't think we'll see him sooner than that.

If MRI gives not desired results, probably done for a year

They already did the MRI...

Given his age (He heals quickly) and there isn't much structural damage with no fracture/tear he could be back by the start of the season. I'm certain he'd most likely return before the month ends (IMO).

[KillMonger]

Looks like I was kinda right

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