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2022-2023 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (28-40) at San Antonio Spurs (17-50) - 8pm

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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (28-40) at San Antonio Spurs (17-50) - 8pm 

Post#181 » by SOUL » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:19 am

thelead wrote:He had 15 in the first quarter and then sat until the 4:41 mark of the 2nd quarter. The opposing coach couldn't ice a player any better :lol:


I mean I would personally bring him back around 6:41, but if we're nitpicking 2 mins I think we have a lot more issues going on :lol:
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Post#182 » by thelead » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:20 am

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thelead wrote:Nice loss. Thanks Spurs.

I don't know how you guys can feel good about any of this. It's like I just feel it in the pit of my stomach, that something is incredibly wrong with this team and yet you guys think an additional draft pick is going to fix it. It's not. There is something internally that's just not working and have not been working for a while. Another round of rookies on this team will not fix this team.

Better players will fix this. And the best shot for us to get better players is with better picks. It is what it is.
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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (28-40) at San Antonio Spurs (17-50) - 8pm 

Post#183 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:21 am

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thelead wrote:Nice loss. Thanks Spurs.

I don't know how you guys can feel good about any of this. It's like I just feel it in the pit of my stomach, that something is incredibly wrong with this team and yet you guys think an additional draft pick is going to fix it. It's not. There is something internally that's just not working and have not been working for a while. Another round of rookies on this team will not fix this team.
None of our guards can shoot at all, and the only one that does barely shoots. It's fundamentally broken from a guard rotation perspective. That's a massive problem.

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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (28-40) at San Antonio Spurs (17-50) - 8pm 

Post#184 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:21 am

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thelead wrote:Nice loss. Thanks Spurs.

I don't know how you guys can feel good about any of this. It's like I just feel it in the pit of my stomach, that something is incredibly wrong with this team and yet you guys think an additional draft pick is going to fix it. It's not. There is something internally that's just not working and have not been working for a while. Another round of rookies on this team will not fix this team.
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Post#185 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:23 am

The franchise just continues to humiliate itself. Magic team motto: Everyone gets a franchise record!

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Post#186 » by KillMonger » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:24 am

Did Fultz attempt a 3? I remember the wide open one he didn't take....

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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (28-40) at San Antonio Spurs (17-50) - 8pm 

Post#187 » by Knightro » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:25 am

thelead wrote:And then sat until the 4:41 mark in the 2nd :lol:


Yeah I mean I guess I just don't really get too hung up on that kind of stuff.

If he checks in two dead balls earlier it's only the 5:27 mark, ya know?

And it's not like sitting a long time made him go cold anyway, as he made his first two shots of the 2nd quarter.
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Post#188 » by thelead » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:25 am

We're going to need improvement from the current core (Paolo, Franz, WCJ, Suggs). 1 of Paolo or Franz (preferably both) NEEDS to develop into a bonafide star. We need JI's defense or a replacement for that defense (defensive big). We need a PG that can run an offense and hit 3's. And finally, we need 2 or 3 VERY solid 3&D players.
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Post#189 » by richi_v25 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:26 am

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
thelead wrote:Nice loss. Thanks Spurs.

I don't know how you guys can feel good about any of this. It's like I just feel it in the pit of my stomach, that something is incredibly wrong with this team and yet you guys think an additional draft pick is going to fix it. It's not. There is something internally that's just not working and have not been working for a while. Another round of rookies on this team will not fix this team.
None of our guards can shoot at all, and the only one that does barely shoots. It's fundamentally broken from a guard rotation perspective. That's a massive problem.

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I was really hoping to flip Ross, RJ and bamba for a sg or pg that could shoot but nope we just got a buyout instead... maybe next time.
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Post#190 » by SOUL » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:27 am

I just think posters fundamentally do not know how coaching works in the NBA, good or bad. In a vacuum, coaches are going to make bad decisions every game. It's up to them to adjust and mitigate any damage. It is incredibly easy to sit back and say you would do x, x and x without any sort of clue about the inner workings of the team, rotation, role, what the FO wants, what players feel comfortable doing, etc.

Coaches aren't icing their own players or calling plays to try to hurt their own players. When other players get hot and don't score much in the second half, it's not Billups not wanting Lillard to continue for 60 ppg, it's not Kerr icing Klay, it's not whoever icing whoever. Banchero got pulled after 12 minutes because that's a lot of minutes straight. People get tired.

And players usually know their optimal minutes per game, where Banchero feels comfortable around 34. Giannis averages what Banchero ended with tonight at 32, Jokic 3.. Nick Nurse and Thibs burn out all of their players even if they get huge numbers.
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Post#191 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:27 am

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ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:The worst part of this loss is Paolo ending up with only 27 points when he was really hot in the first quarter with 15. Sometimes I think coach need to learn to pivot with whatever he's doing and just let the hot hand ride.


This.. isn't really a thing though. He had the most attempts in the game (21) and 5 free throws as well. That's plenty of usage. You can't look at a hot start and go "15x4... Paolo should end with 60!" Teams adjust. They don't want that to happen. And coaches certainly aren't going to play a guy an entire half like you mentioned :D

There have been frustrating times though like when Franz was hot one game and Cole just took the ball out of his hands for 10 straight possessions.

He had the better matchup. And I assume he had 21 attempts because Franz just wasn't himself today, so I'm sure he just took Franz possessions. I am in no way thinking that he'll get 60 points-he's not that efficient, but he most certainly should not have end with 8 points. And quite frankly, I don't care if he attempted 40 shots he was the only one on this team that had it going.
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Post#192 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:28 am

Man, JI took our defense with him to the injury list
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Post#193 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:30 am

KillMonger wrote:Did Fultz attempt a 3? I remember the wide open one he didn't take....

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Re: 2022-2023 Regular Season Game 69: Orlando Magic (28-40) at San Antonio Spurs (17-50) - 8pm 

Post#194 » by thelead » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:30 am

SOUL wrote:I just think posters fundamentally do not know how coaching works in the NBA, good or bad. In a vacuum, coaches are going to make bad decisions every game. It's up to them to adjust and mitigate any damage. It is incredibly easy to sit back and say you would do x, x and x without any sort of clue about the inner workings of the team, rotation, role, what the FO wants, what players feel comfortable doing, etc.

Coaches aren't icing their own players or calling plays to try to hurt their own players. When other players get hot and don't score much in the second half, it's not Billups not wanting Lillard to continue for 60 ppg, it's not Kerr icing Klay, it's not whoever icing whoever. Banchero got pulled after 12 minutes because that's a lot of minutes straight. People get tired.

And players usually know their optimal minutes per game, where Banchero feels comfortable around 34. Giannis averages what Banchero ended with tonight at 32, Jokic 3.. Nick Nurse and Thibs burn out all of their players even if they get huge numbers.

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Post#195 » by Knightro » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:31 am

thelead wrote:We're going to need improvement from the current core (Paolo, Franz, WCJ, Suggs). 1 of Paolo or Franz (preferably both) NEEDS to develop into a bonafide star. We need JI's defense or a replacement for that defense (defensive big). We need a PG that can run an offense and hit 3's. And finally, we need 2 or 3 VERY solid 3&D players.


My biggest fear truly is Weltman and Hammond being a little too pleased with the progress of this season.

I am terrified they're gonna be so content with their 33-34 wins this season that they opt to just run it back with the exact same group + a couple of 20 year old lottery picks.

That's not a wise path forward IMO.
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Post#196 » by neuraldarwinism » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:31 am

assuming it was because of franz's ankle but that fultz usage rate was agonizing
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Post#197 » by basketballRob » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:31 am

Portland up on the Knicks. We can be sitting at 5 and 7 tonight.

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Post#198 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:32 am

I don't understand why our talking heads constantly want to praise Fultz
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Post#199 » by Bensational » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:32 am

Raps and Wizards won which is great. Need the Bulls to lose their next couple.
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Post#200 » by thelead » Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:35 am

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thelead wrote:We're going to need improvement from the current core (Paolo, Franz, WCJ, Suggs). 1 of Paolo or Franz (preferably both) NEEDS to develop into a bonafide star. We need JI's defense or a replacement for that defense (defensive big). We need a PG that can run an offense and hit 3's. And finally, we need 2 or 3 VERY solid 3&D players.


My biggest fear truly is Weltman and Hammond being a little too pleased with the progress of this season.

I am terrified they're gonna be so content with their 33-34 wins this season that they opt to just run it back with the exact same group + a couple of 20 year old lottery picks.

That's not a wise path forward IMO.

I'm not sure what the plan is but we shouldn't just run it back... but what happens to the PG position if we miss out on Scoot, FVV, DLo, whoever else we're hoping for? I've seen enough of Fultz 'running' the offense. Forget the 3's. I'm not seeing him make the game easier for his teammates. Just not enough playmaking... on top of the lack of 3's. I bet he's back in the starting lineup if we miss out on our targets.
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