2023 Orlando Magic Draft Day Thread (#6, #11): THE DAY IS HERE!

[JoshuaPotter]

I honestly think we will, and actually think we should, take Coulibaly at 6… You don’t risk him not being available at 11 if he’s your home run pick… I think this throws the draft into chaos… That puts 4 picks between us at 11 and one of Ausar/Amen, Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks possibly available… If not we can take the need pick of Lively or trade back and get a shooter and more assets…

Now there is a hot take and I guess I don't really disagree with it. Depends on how we value it all.

Won't know how good or bad of an idea this thought will be until 4 years from now.

My concern with Coulibaly is that it is all hype.

[djguevara114]

Seeing all this Lakers noise about 17 for possibly Turner or Hield… Really?!

How about 6, 11, 36, 2 2024 2nds, Harris, MCW, and Bitadze for 7, 26, Turner, and Hield

[Skin]

I think that's what worries me as well. The logical thing would be to groom Black to be a Fultz replacement, and jettison Fultz while he has value and is under team control. But this contradicts every report out of Orlando that last season made them Fultz believers and Cole is being dangled in trades.

The thing I can see the Magic doing is drafting Black and believing he has the opportunity to play both SG and backup PG. In that scenario our three point shooting will have to come from Stuff the Magic Dragon. If the Magic do pick Black, you'll hear the slap of my palm on my forehead from whatever state you are in when Weltman says, "What we like most was Anthony offers us positional flexibility..." HE IS A TALL POINT GUARD WHO IS BEST DOING POINT GUARD THINGS. Even he knows it, which is why he is telling people he loves Gilbert Arenas and compares to Josh Giddey.

I remember watching Giddy before the draft and was amazed by his vision and passing. I watch Black and it’s “Player three feet away from him is open...Simple pass...ermergherd!!! Josh Giddy!!”

Just doesn’t have the same vision. He’s a nice structural player who comes in and gives you solid minutes. I don’t see this amazing wow passing or vision like Giddy what so ever.

I see a Haliburton type passer when I look at Black. He can see over the defense and pick it apart.

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"Seeing over the defense" because of height is not a thing.

Black to Haliburton comparison is criminal. They are nothing alike.

[Black and Blue]

I think that's what worries me as well. The logical thing would be to groom Black to be a Fultz replacement, and jettison Fultz while he has value and is under team control. But this contradicts every report out of Orlando that last season made them Fultz believers and Cole is being dangled in trades.

The thing I can see the Magic doing is drafting Black and believing he has the opportunity to play both SG and backup PG. In that scenario our three point shooting will have to come from Stuff the Magic Dragon. If the Magic do pick Black, you'll hear the slap of my palm on my forehead from whatever state you are in when Weltman says, "What we like most was Anthony offers us positional flexibility..." HE IS A TALL POINT GUARD WHO IS BEST DOING POINT GUARD THINGS. Even he knows it, which is why he is telling people he loves Gilbert Arenas and compares to Josh Giddey.

I think people are sleeping on how good Cole was last year, albeit in a very specialized role.

He was one of the very best backup guards in the league and really carried the bench most nights.

Losing him and replacing him with a rookie is going to be a significant downgrade for next season.

I couldn't agree more. I've admittedly been more of a Cole fan than most around here, but last year he took giant steps toward being more of a team-first point guard. He is also two years younger than Fultz, who by all accounts didn't really pop until this past year. There is still a ton of upside there if you ask me.

[Skin]

Seeing all this Lakers noise about 17 for possibly Turner or Hield… Really?!

How about 6, 11, 36, 2 2024 2nds, Harris, MCW, and Bitadze for 7, 26, Turner, and Hield

Source?

[djguevara114]

I honestly think we will, and actually think we should, take Coulibaly at 6… You don’t risk him not being available at 11 if he’s your home run pick… I think this throws the draft into chaos… That puts 4 picks between us at 11 and one of Ausar/Amen, Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks possibly available… If not we can take the need pick of Lively or trade back and get a shooter and more assets…

Now there is a hot take and I guess I don't really disagree with it. Depends on how we value it all.

Won't know how good or bad of an idea this thought will be until 4 years from now.

My concern with Coulibaly is that it is all hype.

I have tried to watch all the good, bad, and ugly I can… I think the hype is justified and will be a bigger, more offensively gifted OG… I think he’s got star written all over him and he fits right into Weltman saying we need a path for development—would slide in the lineup as back-up behind Franz and get plenty of minutes…

[Black and Blue]

I was coming at it strictly from a positional thought.

Black, to me, is a primary ball handler. Suggs is not at this point.

So in order for Black to get on the court, one of the two primary ball handlers in front of him (Fultz/Anthony) would have to go.

Now my fear is that the front office doesn't see it that way and will use Black in an off ball role while also retaining Fultz and Anthony, which I'm firmly against.

I think that's what worries me as well. The logical thing would be to groom Black to be a Fultz replacement, and jettison Fultz while he has value and is under team control. But this contradicts every report out of Orlando that last season made them Fultz believers and Cole is being dangled in trades.

The thing I can see the Magic doing is drafting Black and believing he has the opportunity to play both SG and backup PG. In that scenario our three point shooting will have to come from Stuff the Magic Dragon. If the Magic do pick Black, you'll hear the slap of my palm on my forehead from whatever state you are in when Weltman says, "What we like most was Anthony offers us positional flexibility..." HE IS A TALL POINT GUARD WHO IS BEST DOING POINT GUARD THINGS. Even he knows it, which is why he is telling people he loves Gilbert Arenas and compares to Josh Giddey.

I remember watching Giddy before the draft and was amazed by his vision and passing. I watch Black and it’s “Player three feet away from him is open...Simple pass...ermergherd!!! Josh Giddy!!”

Just doesn’t have the same vision. He’s a nice structural player who comes in and gives you solid minutes. I don’t see this amazing wow passing or vision like Giddy what so ever.

I agree, Giddy's vision and passing are better. Where you are seeing the comparison from scouts is both being tall guards who can see over their defenders and prioritize passing over shooting. Those scouts who then suggested Black is a top 10 pick have argued Black is a better defender with a bigger wingspan and better jumping ability than Giddey.

Again, it's not exact by any means, but the closest thing these writers have to a player comp. Enough that Black himself is now saying it.

[Skin]

I assume most people will not agree with this, but I would rather give Cole 15-20M AAV than I would give Fultz 25+ AAV, especially if that's closer to 15 for Cole.

I say that because we already know for a fact Cole can thrive in a certain role. Not sure if Fultz can.

I would rather give Cole 15-20M AAV + drafting someone else other than Black over drafting Black.

[VFX]

Seeing all this Lakers noise about 17 for possibly Turner or Hield… Really?!

How about 6, 11, 36, 2 2024 2nds, Harris, MCW, and Bitadze for 7, 26, Turner, and Hield

[djguevara114]

Seeing all this Lakers noise about 17 for possibly Turner or Hield… Really?!

How about 6, 11, 36, 2 2024 2nds, Harris, MCW, and Bitadze for 7, 26, Turner, and Hield

Source?

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/6/22/23769852/nba-trade-rumors-lakers-kobe-bufkin-buddy-hield-gary-trent-jr-2023-draft

There are others as well…

[Audi]

I assume most people will not agree with this, but I would rather give Cole 15-20M AAV than I would give Fultz 25+ AAV, especially if that's closer to 15 for Cole.

I say that because we already know for a fact Cole can thrive in a certain role. Not sure if Fultz can.

I have a very hard time believing Fultz wouldn't also thrive off the bench as a #1 option.

[pepe1991]

I honestly think we will, and actually think we should, take Coulibaly at 6… You don’t risk him not being available at 11 if he’s your home run pick… I think this throws the draft into chaos… That puts 4 picks between us at 11 and one of Ausar/Amen, Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks possibly available… If not we can take the need pick of Lively or trade back and get a shooter and more assets…

What are his basketball skills/strenghts today?

[Black and Blue]

I remember watching Giddy before the draft and was amazed by his vision and passing. I watch Black and it’s “Player three feet away from him is open...Simple pass...ermergherd!!! Josh Giddy!!”

Just doesn’t have the same vision. He’s a nice structural player who comes in and gives you solid minutes. I don’t see this amazing wow passing or vision like Giddy what so ever.

I see a Haliburton type passer when I look at Black. He can see over the defense and pick it apart.

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What makes Halliburton work so effectively is the combination of shooting and his passing. Obviously Black doesn’t have that.

Yes, but this is just the ability that people are using to compare him to current players. The other comparison people have put out there is Shaun Livingston post-injury. This is all to say them citing a pro comparison is more them scrambling to find a handful of similarities to understand a player people aren't very familiar with.

[three3d]

I honestly think we will, and actually think we should, take Coulibaly at 6… You don’t risk him not being available at 11 if he’s your home run pick… I think this throws the draft into chaos… That puts 4 picks between us at 11 and one of Ausar/Amen, Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks possibly available… If not we can take the need pick of Lively or trade back and get a shooter and more assets…

Now there is a hot take and I guess I don't really disagree with it. Depends on how we value it all.

Won't know how good or bad of an idea this thought will be until 4 years from now.

My concern with Coulibaly is that it is all hype.

I have tried to watch all the good, bad, and ugly I can… I think the hype is justified and will be a bigger, more offensively gifted OG… I think he’s got star written all over him and he fits right into Weltman saying we need a path for development—would slide in the lineup as back-up behind Franz and get plenty of minutes…

Hearing the supposed rumors that San Antonio is looking to trading into the lottery to get him is interesting as I trust that front office. Also supposedly OKC was going over to France to watch him, another team that seems to draft well. That’s two legit teams that make me think there really is something special in him.

[djguevara114]

I honestly think we will, and actually think we should, take Coulibaly at 6… You don’t risk him not being available at 11 if he’s your home run pick… I think this throws the draft into chaos… That puts 4 picks between us at 11 and one of Ausar/Amen, Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks possibly available… If not we can take the need pick of Lively or trade back and get a shooter and more assets…

What are his basketball skills/strenghts today?

He has great defensive IQ, extremely high motor, great first step, and elite athleticism…. A better shooter than I think most realize but still needs to improve, but fundamentals at there.

[SOUL]

Seeing all this Lakers noise about 17 for possibly Turner or Hield… Really?!

How about 6, 11, 36, 2 2024 2nds, Harris, MCW, and Bitadze for 7, 26, Turner, and Hield

I think I'd 100% do that but I don't think Indy would. Immediately nets us 2 shooters - dont think Myles would come off the bench though

[three3d]

I honestly think we will, and actually think we should, take Coulibaly at 6… You don’t risk him not being available at 11 if he’s your home run pick… I think this throws the draft into chaos… That puts 4 picks between us at 11 and one of Ausar/Amen, Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks possibly available… If not we can take the need pick of Lively or trade back and get a shooter and more assets…

What are his basketball skills/strenghts today?

He has great defensive IQ, extremely high motor, great first step, and elite athleticism…. A better shooter than I think most realize but still needs to improve, but fundamentals at there.

2-3 dribbles from half court and he’s dunking on you at the age of 18 with not a lot of experience/development. I know it doesn’t make him great, but it reminds me of Giannis .

[Knightro]

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Seeing all this Lakers noise about 17 for possibly Turner or Hield… Really?!

How about 6, 11, 36, 2 2024 2nds, Harris, MCW, and Bitadze for 7, 26, Turner, and Hield

I think I'd 100% do that but I don't think Indy would. Immediately nets us 2 shooters - dont think Myles would come off the bench though

Turner and Hield equals $55m in cap space compared to an outgoing $12m. Myles is nice, but I'm not sure how smart that deal is with this CBA longterm. That package makes sense for a team ready to compete tomorrow.

None of that deal really makes sense within the context of the timeframe or anything Weltman has parroted.

[89Magicfan]

I see a Haliburton type passer when I look at Black. He can see over the defense and pick it apart.

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What makes Halliburton work so effectively is the combination of shooting and his passing. Obviously Black doesn’t have that.

Yes, but this is just the ability that people are using to compare him to current players. The other comparison people have put out there is Shaun Livingston post-injury. This is all to say them citing a pro comparison is more them scrambling to find a handful of similarities to understand a player people aren't very familiar with.

Or MCW with hops?