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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#181 » by The Real Dalic » Fri Aug 4, 2023 5:57 pm

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fendilim wrote:Meh, everyone bends their principle when it benefits them.
I work in a very Left leaning Organization, but I do not bend my principles. I agree that many do though. But if they start forcing me to support or say I agree with Leftist things, I will tell them no, or I will find another job. Sometimes risks have to be taken for your principles. No matter how scary.

It's also funny because every political event at the place I work is only honoring people on the Left with anything Conservative not being allowed.

Meanwhile, the Orlando Magic are clearly a right-leaning Organization, but they allow some left-leaning events, like Pride night. That's called being fair and treating everyone equally. That's all we ever ask for from the Left. It rarely happens that way though.

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is the company you work for a private company that receives no public funding?
It's a University.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#182 » by theBigLip » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:00 pm

RichCollab wrote:Political parties and politicians always fear losing power. That’s why checks and balances are important. Power steadily changes your perceptions and usually it’s not for the best of the common citizen.


Isn’t that the truth. While everyone seems intent on a Left vs Right pissing match, both sides should wake up and realize the real war is the Working Class vs the Super Wealthy.
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

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fendilim wrote:Meh, everyone bends their principle when it benefits them.
I work in a very Left leaning Organization, but I do not bend my principles. I agree that many do though. But if they start forcing me to support or say I agree with Leftist things, I will tell them no, or I will find another job. Sometimes risks have to be taken for your principles. No matter how scary.

It's also funny because every political event at the place I work is only honoring people on the Left with anything Conservative not being allowed.

Meanwhile, the Orlando Magic are clearly a right-leaning Organization, but they allow some left-leaning events, like Pride night. That's called being fair and treating everyone equally. That's all we ever ask for from the Left. It rarely happens that way though.

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Working for them is also supporting them, no?
Not really, because it's a University, they're not making political stances as a company, more of just in company events that are Leftist. If they did start doing things or forcing me to do things that would jeopardize my beliefs, then I would find another job.

Stuff like limiting my speech or hiding my religious beliefs, which they haven't done yet, thankfully.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#184 » by Fortune Teller » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:00 pm

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Imagine getting less votes than an orange man in an orange jumpsuit :nonono: What have we come to? Really stupid move organizationally...my own politics aside, dumb business move. GM can't be happy about that "optic" being attached to his recruiting efforts.

As Xatticus expounded above, corporate donation loopholes big enough to drive a battleship through are one of the truly despicable problems with our (USA) system.


...wait, Xatticus?


Do you applaud that mass donations to Democrats from the NBA and their constant pushing of organizations' that if donated to your money goes to nothing but getting Democrats elected?

No one ever seems to have an issue with the above. Flip it around and people like you are ready to jump off a cliff.


First of all, don't say "people like you" because you don't know Jack S**t about me. Secondly, as you can see from the media and NBAPA response- it was a stupid business decision...I'm talking about stirring up things when there's no need to do so. The Devos family probably have dozens of corps (largely based on shell games, but I digress) to run their "contributions" through. Why run such a relatively small amount ($50k) through an organization dependent on a largely liberal African-American population and, generally speaking, progressive stance on things? Winning in the NBA relies, in part, in being able to recruit talent, endear yourself to agents, etc...It's just bad business to make unnecessary, highly visible, potentially divisive moves that could affect your GM's ability to build a better team.

I wouldn't endorse similar contributions in the other direction either - why be potentially divisive? Donate to kids, local initiatives, etc. Politics today is way too explosive...as you can see by the two ass clowns who immediately labeled me after my post.

FYI, I'm a registered Republican, by the way, I just don't support liars, racists, Medicare frauds, Insurance industry lackeys, or pathological hypocrites. I don't think slavery was trade school, I can't recall any positive figures in history that banned books, and I don't think drag shows are a higher priority than, well, just about any of the other hundred things that need work. I'm an old, straight, white male who owns a successful business...I'm just trying not to be a jerk.

Good post.

The thing is, the phony culture war initiatives are just that -- phony. Many republican leaders couldn't care less about drag shows, African-American studies, gay marriage, abortion, etc. It's all part of a strategy that has been decades in the making. Most republican economic policies are bad for blue-collar and lower-income white Americans. This is why blue-collar whites used to always be democrats. Republicans had to figure out how to change that, so what did they do? Started talking about the Bible, gay marriage, abortion, immigration, transsexuals, etc. This distracts blue-collar and lower-income white Americans from things that likely have way more impact on their daily lives, like the fact that the minimum wage hasn't been raised in years, the income gap has grown exponentially since the 1950s, the super wealthy pay less tax proportionally than average Americans, the middle class is vanishing, etc.

Just take the issue of de-regulation. If you are a factory worker, you want regulations in place because they make you safer. If you are a laborer, you want your employer to have to pay you overtime pay when you work more than 40 hours a week. Unions benefit you. Lower-income towns across America are the ones usually impacted most by water and air contamination issues. So theoretically, these people should not vote republican. How to get them to vote against their own self-interest? Tell them you're on their side simply because they are white. Scare them into thinking homosexuals are trying to indoctrinate their children. Show them pictures of migrant caravans coming to take their jobs and kill them. Play on their racism, misogyny and xenophobia. Hold a Bible in the air. I mean is anyone stupid enough to believe republican lawmakers aren't paying for just as many abortions as democrats? It's all a charade.

Most of the Supreme Court Justices who decided Roe v. Wade in 1973 were republican appointees. In other words, it was a majority conservative court and it voted 7-2 in favor of a woman's 14th Amendment right to make her own reproductive decisions. 7-2! Obviously that would never happen today because now republicans use abortion as a litmus test for judicial appointments, knowing it's one of their biggest rallying cries in rural America. It's all a farce. Like the line from the Wizard of Oz -- "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#185 » by basketballRob » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:04 pm

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Just stop. You clearly have no idea.

Use whatever definition you want, but there is only one side that controls mass media, censors people they disagree with, attempts to jail their political rivals, and has mobs that threaten violence if they don't get their way. That is what Fascism looks like.
Fascism is the far right and throughout history have had racist policies.

The far left would be socialism.





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Incorrect, Fascism is the Far Left and a certain guy from Germany in the 1930's and 1940's that I don't want to name was a part of, and supported by, the National Socialist party.

Also, the Left has censored Conservatives on every platform. To the point that an independent who used to lean Left had to buy one of the platforms on Social Media just to allow us to finally speak a tiny bit more freely.

Also, just because you disagree with someone, doesn't make them evil, racist, or a fascist.

Also, no, showing ID is not supressing votes, it's doing what we've always done which is verifying you are who you say you are and not allowing you to vote for the same candidate mulitple time. Allowing the murder of babies due to bad choices someone makes in 99.9% of cases is not controlling someones bodies, forcing them to take an untested drug or lose your job ironically is.

Finally, since I've seen this a couple of times from others on here, we are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Which is different since Democracy is mob rule.

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Facist are nationalist and that's exactly what Trump and DeSantis run on.

The Nazis were fascist who believed in nationalism and were anti immigrants.

The players can run the Devos family out of the NBA if they choose to. Without players, they have no league.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#186 » by theBigLip » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:04 pm

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Imagine getting less votes than an orange man in an orange jumpsuit :nonono: What have we come to? Really stupid move organizationally...my own politics aside, dumb business move. GM can't be happy about that "optic" being attached to his recruiting efforts.

As Xatticus expounded above, corporate donation loopholes big enough to drive a battleship through are one of the truly despicable problems with our (USA) system.


...wait, Xatticus?


Do you applaud that mass donations to Democrats from the NBA and their constant pushing of organizations' that if donated to your money goes to nothing but getting Democrats elected?

No one ever seems to have an issue with the above. Flip it around and people like you are ready to jump off a cliff.


First of all, don't say "people like you" because you don't know Jack S**t about me. Secondly, as you can see from the media and NBAPA response- it was a stupid business decision...I'm talking about stirring up things when there's no need to do so. The Devos family probably have dozens of corps (largely based on shell games, but I digress) to run their "contributions" through. Why run such a relatively small amount ($50k) through an organization dependent on a largely liberal African-American population and, generally speaking, progressive stance on things? Winning in the NBA relies, in part, in being able to recruit talent, endear yourself to agents, etc...It's just bad business to make unnecessary, highly visible, potentially divisive moves that could affect your GM's ability to build a better team.

I wouldn't endorse similar contributions in the other direction either - why be potentially divisive? Donate to kids, local initiatives, etc. Politics today is way too explosive...as you can see by the two ass clowns who immediately labeled me after my post.

FYI, I'm a registered Republican, by the way, I just don't support liars, racists, Medicare frauds, Insurance industry lackeys, or pathological hypocrites. I don't think slavery was trade school, I can't recall any positive figures in history that banned books, and I don't think drag shows are a higher priority than, well, just about any of the other hundred things that need work. I'm an old, straight, white male who owns a successful business...I'm just trying not to be a jerk.


Your last paragraph should be loved by everyone in the working class. Who cares about drag shows when our “for profit” healthcare system is totally broken?
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#187 » by theBigLip » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:10 pm

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Just stop. You clearly have no idea.

Use whatever definition you want, but there is only one side that controls mass media, censors people they disagree with, attempts to jail their political rivals, and has mobs that threaten violence if they don't get their way. That is what Fascism looks like.

you mean like denying press access? or taking choices away from people? making it harder for people to vote? throwing out voting results if you dont like/agree with them?

seeing the majority of that from 1 side.


Not even sure what you are talking about when you say denying press access. Trump got on a microphone every day for 4 years and gave everyone his thoughts. No one was denied press access. Biden doesn't even speak to the press.

Taking choices away from people? Assuming you are talking about abortion. Nothing was taken away. It's a state issue now just like it's supposed to be. If you want an abortion you can have one, doesn't mean I should be paying for it.

These next two are my favorites. Making it harder to vote how? By requiring an ID? Are you in the camp that thinks black Americans are so incapable of acquiring an ID that somehow it's voter suppression? All while at the same time crying that voter fraud doesn't exist while you simultaneously try and make it easier for fraud to occur by removing the ID requirement. This is the kind of shenanigans/propagandists we are dealing with.


You over simplify the “ID” thing. Younger people tend to vote more progressive. They also are not settled down yet and tend to move, so their IDs don’t match their address. Conservatives love to disqualify their votes for things like that.
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#188 » by MAGICian619 » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:12 pm

The TLDR version of this thread is:

Everyone better agree on voting for Democrats and if not then there will be a massive story about it.

What. A. Joke.
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Post#189 » by basketballRob » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:13 pm

Why does it always seem like the ultra conservative owners never spend money to sustain winning? Sterling, Starver, and the Devos family.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#190 » by basketballRob » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:15 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:The TLDR version of this thread is:

Everyone better agree on voting for Democrats and if not then there will be a massive story about it.

What. A. Joke.
If they aren't advocating for violence or propagating racist and homophobic rhetoric, I'm okay with whoever.

Just yesterday, DeSantis was saying he was going to cut Democrats throats. He knows what he's doing. Just like his comment about monkeys when he was running against a black candidate.

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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#191 » by MAGICian619 » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:19 pm

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MAGICian619 wrote:The TLDR version of this thread is:

Everyone better agree on voting for Democrats and if not then there will be a massive story about it.

What. A. Joke.
If they aren't advocating for violence or propagating racist and homophobic rhetoric, I'm okay with whoever.

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Sounds like you will be voting Republican then.
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Post#192 » by JF5 » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:19 pm

I used to be heavy into politics but as you grow older you realize a lot of it is theater and manipulation. Most of these guys are friends and have known each other for a very long time whether it be politicians or political analyst themselves. It's really about making money and remaining in power to keep people divided.

I see a couple post here defending Trump. I want to remind everyone that regardless if your team won or lost politically, everyone respected the process of transition regardless because that's how it was since the late 18th century and that's what life separated us from 3rd world dictatorships with constant instability.

Seeing how this man literally has done everything possible to overturn that process is absolutely terrifying. I understand being mad as hell but to put your feelings first sews the seeds of the US exploring the ideas of a King/Dictator to "solve all our problems".

Yes, corporations have a much tighter grip on all essential aspects of out lives and makes things truly difficult and expensive to fight against with congress not necessarily working for us entirely. There needs to be reforms no doubt. But rejecting a transition of power is the first sign of turning a country like Russia or North Korea.

For me personally it feels like in 12-20 years if we don't adjust our attitudes and not fall for extremism and have the majority moderates stand up this country might be a place we don't recognize. I'm still shocked Trump has a base given everything hes done is widely anti-american which that branch of conservatives would reject and not support in prior years. It's just weird to me.
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Re: Orlando Magic Gave $50,000 to Never Back Down 

Post#193 » by basketballRob » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:24 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
MAGICian619 wrote:The TLDR version of this thread is:

Everyone better agree on voting for Democrats and if not then there will be a massive story about it.

What. A. Joke.
If they aren't advocating for violence or propagating racist and homophobic rhetoric, I'm okay with whoever.

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Sounds like you will be voting Republican then.
I don't consider any of the Maga politicians as Republicans.

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Post#194 » by tiderulz » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:29 pm

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Just stop. You clearly have no idea.

Use whatever definition you want, but there is only one side that controls mass media, censors people they disagree with, attempts to jail their political rivals, and has mobs that threaten violence if they don't get their way. That is what Fascism looks like.

you mean like denying press access? or taking choices away from people? making it harder for people to vote? throwing out voting results if you dont like/agree with them?

seeing the majority of that from 1 side.


Not even sure what you are talking about when you say denying press access. Trump got on a microphone every day for 4 years and gave everyone his thoughts. No one was denied press access. Biden doesn't even speak to the press.

Taking choices away from people? Assuming you are talking about abortion. Nothing was taken away. It's a state issue now just like it's supposed to be. If you want an abortion you can have one, doesn't mean I should be paying for it.

These next two are my favorites. Making it harder to vote how? By requiring an ID? Are you in the camp that thinks black Americans are so incapable of acquiring an ID that somehow it's voter suppression? All while at the same time crying that voter fraud doesn't exist while you simultaneously try and make it easier for fraud to occur by removing the ID requirement. This is the kind of shenanigans/propagandists we are dealing with.

except now republican controlled states are even trying to target anyone that leaves the state for an abortion, or anyone who helps (drives them)

as for making it harder to vote. removing polling places in lower income neighborhoods and reducing the hours/days they can vote. as i said in other posts, i have zero problem with requiring an ID to vote.
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Post#195 » by tiderulz » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:30 pm

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Also, no, showing ID is not supressing votes, it's doing what we've always done which is verifying you are who you say you are and not allowing you to vote for the same candidate mulitple time. Allowing the murder of babies due to bad choices someone makes in 99.9% of cases is not controlling someones bodies, forcing them to take an untested drug or lose your job ironically is.

Finally, since I've seen this a couple of times from others on here, we are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Which is different since Democracy is mob rule.

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i have no problem requiring ID's to vote. i do have issues with closing polling places a week before elections. i do have issues curtailing hours when people can vote, which severely benefit one party. I do have issues with enacting laws to allow voting results to be thrown out (if a certain party does not agree with them)


^^^^^^^ ALL PROPOGANDA. It used to be voting day and you are crying about not having 6 months to vote from your couch.

except its not propaganda. I live in GA and watched it happen.
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Post#196 » by pepe1991 » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:34 pm

Facism doesn't mean nor in root is what some of you think/type that means :lol:

Traits of facism are :
nationalizm (extreme one)
cult of personality of leader
military mobilization


Mussolini himself glorified workers and middle class empowring their history and comparing them to sucess of ancient Rome, and masses loved him.

So it's just dumb when you describe person in position of power you hate as facist in western world. That person probably doesn't do any of facist traits, nobody is gearing up to war, nobody has cult of personality, nobody is telling you that you are ancestor of ancient Gods and nobody cares about you.
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Post#197 » by tiderulz » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:35 pm

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Also, no, showing ID is not supressing votes, it's doing what we've always done which is verifying you are who you say you are and not allowing you to vote for the same candidate mulitple time. Allowing the murder of babies due to bad choices someone makes in 99.9% of cases is not controlling someones bodies, forcing them to take an untested drug or lose your job ironically is.

Finally, since I've seen this a couple of times from others on here, we are not a Democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Which is different since Democracy is mob rule.

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i have no problem requiring ID's to vote. i do have issues with closing polling places a week before elections. i do have issues curtailing hours when people can vote, which severely benefit one party. I do have issues with enacting laws to allow voting results to be thrown out (if a certain party does not agree with them)

your views on abortion are yours, not going to tell you that you are right or wrong on them. But that is your view. there are religions that have allow abortions. for a country founded on religious freedom, forcing one set of views on over half the population isnt right to me. Allow the choice to be there. If a group wants to push a certain view, use education not enforcement of their views.


We should be throwing illegitimate votes out, yes. If you didn't verify who you were, or voted multiple times, or are dead, you should not have been able to vote. Yes, I agree, throw those out. Same if you voted from a district that you do not live in.

We have religious freedom in that you can choose to worship, or not worship, whoever you want. But this Country was founded on and guided by Christian principles. Plus, we should both force and educate on not murdering babies, just like we do with adults and children in general.

I'm wondering why the Magic did it with the team name more out of curiosity than anything though. I don't hate it, obviously, but just wondering why they chose now to do it and not through the DeVos name.

For the record, I'm a huge Rays fan and they do Leftist things all the time. The most I've ever done when they speak out against Conservative beliefs is roll my eyes, like people on the Left should've done here. Outside of those just genuinely asking questions of course and not just from a hating Conservatives, political kind of way.

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republicans in GA made it legal now that if they dont like the results of a county, the state board can come in and put their own people in charge of elections. also allows any person to challenge another voter's qualifications, unlimited. I could sit at a polling center and challenge every single person that walked in.
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Post#198 » by basketballRob » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:35 pm

I'm starting to wake up and realize that our team is the Donald Sterling Clippers.


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Post#199 » by pepe1991 » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:38 pm

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Sources? Literally nothing comes up for either.


https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=orlando+magic

I found it on reddit

It's not new, especially for the Magic.

The Magic (the team, not the owner) have made hundreds of contributions to politicians
, nearly all of them Republicans. They donated to DeSantis in 2020 and 2022, and they donated to previous Republican governors in 2014 (Rick Scott) and 1998 (Jeb Bush). They also donated to Matt Gaetz in 2020.

The Nets gave to NY AG Letitia James in 2018.

The Warriors gave to CA AG Rob Bonta in 2018.

The Bobcats gave to DC mayoral candidate Linda Cropp in 2006.

The Sonics gave to gubernatorial candidate Ron Sims in 2004.


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Clippers owner over span of 5 years donated $8M to left political wing. :crazy:

It gets crazy once you figure almost all nba owners donate money to both parties. Money talks, BS walks at the end of a day i guess.


Does someone else’s post on Reddit qualify as a “source”?


There is link in comment where you can track donations made by people, teams , companies. or just google Donor Lookup.
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Post#200 » by tiderulz » Fri Aug 4, 2023 6:40 pm

JF5 wrote:For me personally it feels like in 12-20 years if we don't adjust our attitudes and not fall for extremism and have the majority moderates stand up this country might be a place we don't recognize. I'm still shocked Trump has a base given everything hes done is widely anti-american which that branch of conservatives would reject and not support in prior years. It's just weird to me.

i barely recognize it now. I honestly saw it get worse since 2016

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