Orlando Magic vs Milwaukee Bucks

[cedric76]

Cole is like a disease that is killing this team, yet we seem to trick ourselves into believing hes a part of the solution. Make it stop for the love of god.

Fool gold, terrible bbiq but people will look at box score and say he played well

He score 2 pts then give away 4 but making dumb plays or defending poorly

I can't anymore with him

Unless he is our 9th man

[cedric76]

I think Harris has more 0 pt games than any player in league history.

Coach Moses is losing me slowly with his poor rotation and stubbornness with players like Harris and Cole

[Message Boar]

Magic get a good win, so a 10-page thread instead of 20 or 30. It tracks.

I'm guilty of this behaviour too so I guess it's just therapy, but damn. I'm just saying.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Cole is like a disease that is killing this team, yet we seem to trick ourselves into believing hes a part of the solution. Make it stop for the love of god.

Fool gold, terrible bbiq but people will look at box score and say he played well

He score 2 pts then give away 4 but making dumb plays or defending poorly

I can't anymore with him

Unless he is our 9th man

I don't think this is the game to go on a rant about Cole.

[cedric76]

Cole is like a disease that is killing this team, yet we seem to trick ourselves into believing hes a part of the solution. Make it stop for the love of god.

Fool gold, terrible bbiq but people will look at box score and say he played well

He score 2 pts then give away 4 but making dumb plays or defending poorly

I can't anymore with him

Unless he is our 9th man

I don't think this is the game to go on a rant about Cole.

This season enough?

[IllMagic04]

Solid win but the way we almost gagged it still makes it feel somewhat unimpressive. Despite KCPs struggles he’s still bringing it defensively. Cole was outstanding. Paolo and Franz continue to be great. Overall we played well. It just still doesn’t feel like a momentum win if that’ll makes sense.


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[Knightro]

Vest thread is finally up. Sorry about the delay!

[fendilim]

Cole is like a disease that is killing this team, yet we seem to trick ourselves into believing hes a part of the solution. Make it stop for the love of god.

Fool gold, terrible bbiq but people will look at box score and say he played well

He score 2 pts then give away 4 but making dumb plays or defending poorly

I can't anymore with him

Unless he is our 9th man

I don't think this is the game to go on a rant about Cole.

indeed. He brought the energy much missed after Suggs went down.

[Skybox]

This is just a ridiculous post. Losing does nothing for the magic

It absolutely does.

What does it do? Because winning the lottery was slim.

Not as slim as making any playoff noise. We can't tank out of the play-in, but we can move up a couple of spots in the lottery.

[Bergmaniac]

Very good win, I feel that the early 3 point barrage really helped our team's confidence and it carried over even when the 3s dried up later on. We resorted to a bit too many Franz and Paolo ISOs in the fourth for my liking, but they made enough of them to get the W. Cole was excellent. It also helped that Dame is just an awful defender, we exploited this all night, not sure if we would have won if Doc had kept him on the bench for longer in the 4th, the Bucks were finally getting stops and had gotten very close by the time he came back. Franz did a pretty good job on him, I thought, he still scored his usual number, but couldn't create much of r his teammates and he was defended very well on the last possession. Paolo had a really good game offensively, which is nice to see.

Cole was quite good defensively in this one and obviously great on offense, I know people here dislike him, but let's try to be at least somewhat objective. And IMO he has been pretty decent defensively this year, he obviously gets attacked a lot because he is our smallest player but he's playing smarter on that end than before and lately his effort on that end has been quite impressive.

[Skybox]

All I mainly care about is Paolo’s efficiency and approach to the game. I like what I’ve been seeing over a decent stretch now. Good win too but I’m all focused on the core players at this point.

Paolo will be fine, people making a deal out of nothing. He has been playing well since the all star break.

Paolo will be a perennial all-star regardless. I’m looking for growth towards all-nba play. We are seeing that as of late and it’s the only thing keeping me sane when I think about this team.

I don't mind the losses... at this point I'm just looking at the trade value of the frp. But I DO care to see a viable offensive plan that gives Paolo some hope that, with some strong summer moves, he'll get the support he needs/deserves. I guess it's more satisfying to take it to good teams, but losing to tankers, while largely healthy, is horrible in all respects. I hope we start "resting" Paolo & Franz on occasion....we're not falling out of the play-in and we're not likely to win our way into a drubbing by BOS or CLE. I really don't want to see us push everyone (meaning P&F, who are "everyone" on this bag of misfits) to their limits just to lose a shot at the lottery.

[JF5]

Paolo will be fine, people making a deal out of nothing. He has been playing well since the all star break.

Paolo will be a perennial all-star regardless. I’m looking for growth towards all-nba play. We are seeing that as of late and it’s the only thing keeping me sane when I think about this team.

I don't mind the losses... at this point I'm just looking at the trade value of the frp. But I DO care to see a viable offensive plan that gives Paolo some hope that, with some strong summer moves, he'll get the support he needs/deserves. I guess it's more satisfying to take it to good teams, but losing to tankers, while largely healthy, is horrible in all respects. I hope we start "resting" Paolo & Franz on occasion....we're not falling out of the play-in and we're not likely to win our way into a drubbing by BOS or CLE. I really don't want to see us push everyone (meaning P&F, who are "everyone" on this bag of misfits) to their limits just to lose a shot at the lottery.

This is such a losers mentality. Especially for a young team like the Magic who is trying to build something. This isn't a veteran team where you've had guys that have gone for deep playoff runs before. This is a team with core guys who need to build resilience and experience. First sign of a struggle you just give up?

Just because the season hasn't gone the way the fans wanted it. It just seems a certain faction wants to shut it all down because of that reason, or get a higher draft pick even though there have been other inferior teams that have out tanked us.

[eyriq]

JI rotations are weird.
JI, AB, Caleb in for WCJ, Cole, Franz.
Tristan in for Paolo
Harris in for KCP
Goga in for JI

What is going on with JI?

[Skybox]

Paolo will be a perennial all-star regardless. I’m looking for growth towards all-nba play. We are seeing that as of late and it’s the only thing keeping me sane when I think about this team.

I don't mind the losses... at this point I'm just looking at the trade value of the frp. But I DO care to see a viable offensive plan that gives Paolo some hope that, with some strong summer moves, he'll get the support he needs/deserves. I guess it's more satisfying to take it to good teams, but losing to tankers, while largely healthy, is horrible in all respects. I hope we start "resting" Paolo & Franz on occasion....we're not falling out of the play-in and we're not likely to win our way into a drubbing by BOS or CLE. I really don't want to see us push everyone (meaning P&F, who are "everyone" on this bag of misfits) to their limits just to lose a shot at the lottery.

This is such a losers mentality. Especially for a young team like the Magic who is trying to build something. This isn't a veteran team where you've had guys that have gone for deep playoff runs before. This is a team with core guys who need to build resilience and experience. First sign of a struggle you just give up?

Just because the season hasn't gone the way the fans wanted it. It just seems a certain faction wants to shut it all down because of that reason, or get a higher draft pick even though there have been other inferior teams that have out tanked us.

You're seeing a loser...I'm seeing a child.

Do you want to get better? Are your young stars so immature that they can't grasp the concept if you actually include them in your strategies? I believe they are mature enough to buy in to the big picture - which I still think is priority #1...to reassure them that there is a vision for their team (and personal) success and that they're being heard and that their concerns aren't falling on deaf ears.

BTW, we're in the play-in regardless...I look for solutions with offensive schemes/lineups and then compete in the play-in. I'm not suggesting that Franz & Paolo are done for the season - just several key games here and there. Players don't tank, GM's and Coaches do...but I certainly don't set my guys up for more unneeded frustration by continuing the way we have been. We can win half of our remaining games and be in the play in or we can win 20% of our remaining games and...be in the same play-in. Either way, we're then fed into the meat grinder that is CLE or BOS - IF we somehow win. Right now, the way we've been playing - we don't beat ATL or CHI or MIA...and shouldn't. At that point, we lose any lottery hopes and the pick is meh as far as trade value. We need picks to have value because no-one other than Suggs will have any sole trade value (and his might be heightened because he didn't get to prove that last year's shooting was a fluke). Best outcome is KCP, WCJ, Isaac, AB all start clicking and showing that the historically bad shooting was systemic, not personal, and "Hey, we're actually valuable floor-spreaders - Honest".

Mose needs to try different things regardless, to end the season with some reason for hope for his future with the team, imo. Weltman needs to benefit from this by boosting the value of these well-paid players who have bottomed out this season.

[Skybox]

JI rotations are weird.
JI, AB, Caleb in for WCJ, Cole, Franz.
Tristan in for Paolo
Harris in for KCP
Goga in for JI

What is going on with JI?

Yeah...JI and Goga both being really marginalized. Hope it's temporary and fixable in both cases. I'm not ready to accept that WCJ is OUR GUY going forward.

[eyriq]

JI rotations are weird.
JI, AB, Caleb in for WCJ, Cole, Franz.
Tristan in for Paolo
Harris in for KCP
Goga in for JI

What is going on with JI?

Yeah...JI and Goga both being really marginalized. Hope it's temporary and fixable in both cases. I'm not ready to accept that WCJ is OUR GUY going forward.

He’s slowly transitioning to being a full time big since he’s so bad on offense. I really wonder where moritz fits. If we want to keep Moe we’ll likely look to move others to rebalance.

[Skybox]

JI rotations are weird.
JI, AB, Caleb in for WCJ, Cole, Franz.
Tristan in for Paolo
Harris in for KCP
Goga in for JI

What is going on with JI?

Yeah...JI and Goga both being really marginalized. Hope it's temporary and fixable in both cases. I'm not ready to accept that WCJ is OUR GUY going forward.

He’s slowly transitioning to being a full time big since he’s so bad on offense. I really wonder where moritz fits. If we want to keep Moe we’ll likely look to move others to rebalance.

Moe and Isaac looked very good together and Isaac's deal is palatable - if he makes a shot once in a while. I think the offseason goal should be (in addition to the obvious backcourt hole) to subtract WCJ or KCP, for purely financial reasons...hopefully both can shoot lights out to end the season and start to again resemble their historical scouting reports/player profiles as "floor spreaders" as well as versatile defenders and ball-movers.

[eyriq]

Paolo and Franz are back

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[basketballRob]

JI rotations are weird.
JI, AB, Caleb in for WCJ, Cole, Franz.
Tristan in for Paolo
Harris in for KCP
Goga in for JI

What is going on with JI?

Yeah...JI and Goga both being really marginalized. Hope it's temporary and fixable in both cases. I'm not ready to accept that WCJ is OUR GUY going forward.

Can we even trade him next season? His extension doesn't kick in for 2 more years.

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[Skybox]

JI rotations are weird.
JI, AB, Caleb in for WCJ, Cole, Franz.
Tristan in for Paolo
Harris in for KCP
Goga in for JI

What is going on with JI?

Yeah...JI and Goga both being really marginalized. Hope it's temporary and fixable in both cases. I'm not ready to accept that WCJ is OUR GUY going forward.

Can we even trade him next season? His extension doesn't kick in for 2 more years.

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Are we allowed? YES

Will it be easy because of that foolish extension? NO

I still think he's good and, maybe, could show more of his game elsewhere. Reception from fans of other teams is, as expected, not warm because none of his attributes show up in this year's performance...floor spreader (21% ), dominant rebounder (8.3...actually pretty good, considering his minutes, but easier to sell a 10+ guy), good ball mover (2.2 apg vs 1.2 TO - doesn't 'pop'), scores inside & out (8.9 ppg), reliable and sturdy (52 GP-out of 65 , 26.5 mpg)...I really think he's better than this, especially offensively, in a frontcourt that NEEDS his offense-ours doesn't.