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Knightro wrote:There have been tons of teams who's two best players were 22 or under that have had way more success than the Magic have had, but eyriq wouldn't count them because their third best player was 25.
Can you all see how this immediately can becomes nonsensical when the criteria is that?
Knightro wrote:When your big talking point is to say a team that lost in the first round as a 5 seed (and immediately regressed the following year) is the "most successful" at literally anything, it's a lousy data set your using.
There have been many, many, many other teams over the years that have had far more team success in the first four years of their two best player's careers.
RichCollab wrote:Knightro wrote:When your big talking point is to say a team that lost in the first round as a 5 seed (and immediately regressed the following year) is the "most successful" at literally anything, it's a lousy data set your using.
There have been many, many, many other teams over the years that have had far more team success in the first four years of their two best player's careers.
You need to keep it 100 too. Regress? Or top 3 players injured for a large segment of the season?
eyriq wrote:Over the last ten Magic are 8th in net rating, 18th in offense and 5th in defense.
Fire Mosley?
Since the all-star break they are 13th in net rating, 21st in offense and 4th on defense.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Over the last ten Magic are 8th in net rating, 18th in offense and 5th in defense.
Fire Mosley?
Meh. 7 of the 10 games were against teams under .500.
Washington twice, Charlotte once and San Antonio once. Four of the wins were against teams very clearly tanking.
And when they played Sacramento, the Kings were in the midst of losing 7 of 8, their worst stretch of basketball all year.
Lakers game was a quality win for sure. Hawks too I guess although they had a huge rest advantage.
eyriq wrote:Since the all-star break they are 13th in net rating, 21st in offense and 4th on defense.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Over the last ten Magic are 8th in net rating, 18th in offense and 5th in defense.
Fire Mosley?
Meh. 7 of the 10 games were against teams under .500.
Washington twice, Charlotte once and San Antonio once. Four of the wins were against teams very clearly tanking.
And when they played Sacramento, the Kings were in the midst of losing 7 of 8, their worst stretch of basketball all year.
Lakers game was a quality win for sure. Hawks too I guess although they had a huge rest advantage.
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pepe1991 wrote:Let's be real, non of this really matters.
Win or lose for rest of a way, including this game will still set you on same path:
1) play for playin
2) ugly loss in first round
Other 3 teams that are in alleged "race" don't even walk, let alone run.
1) Hawks season ended with Jalen Johnson season ending injury. Within next 8 days they dumped Hunter, their third best player for next to nothing and Bogdan for even less.
Starting Rookie + guy who is de facto rookie (Gueye) is everything you need to know.
They don't have pick to tank, but they will have Lakers pick and probably Kings pick( top 12 protected). So they don't give a f*** about playoffs.
Just look how Bogdan & Hunter play to figure how much they gave up with no intentions to win. Bogdan shoots like 60% for 3 on Clippers, Hunter 14 ppg on 65% TS on Cavs.
2) Miami Heat . Traded best player. Ever since their star players have most vague injuries possible. Kevin Love has been away from a team for a month for personal reasons, Jamie Jaquez random DNP-CDs, Terry Rozier suspended for illegal betting. Wiggins & Herro only played 14 games together. Every day Heat pulls at least one starter out because of "injury".
They are another team that starts 2 rookies. That is everything you need to know about playoff aspirations.
3) Bulls.. If somebody put gun on my head to pick one team who has owner who wants to make playoff under any cost i would pick Bulls.
Yet even 90 y.o. owner gave up. Trade out proves it.
vs Cavs they just gave :
White- rest
Huerter- cervical strain ( neck pain ?
Giddey "day to day" - forearm
Vučević- day to day- calf
Tre Jones- foot injury, original injury report said 2 weeks. Third week passing by, still not playing
Lonzo- wrist, out for 3 weeks, still not shut down for regular season (?? )
Btw this was game where Bulls could have got to 8th seed by beating Cavs if Hawks lost, and what they do? They shut down everybody, start rookie, play some guy who played 17 games in 3 years and run offense through Jevon Carter
On West, play in is blessing for teams. On East, play in is burden as you can't find 8 let alone 10 teams that want to make playoffs.
Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Since the all-star break they are 13th in net rating, 21st in offense and 4th on defense.Knightro wrote:
Meh. 7 of the 10 games were against teams under .500.
Washington twice, Charlotte once and San Antonio once. Four of the wins were against teams very clearly tanking.
And when they played Sacramento, the Kings were in the midst of losing 7 of 8, their worst stretch of basketball all year.
Lakers game was a quality win for sure. Hawks too I guess although they had a huge rest advantage.
11 games against teams over .500 since the ASB and they’re 3-8.
12 games against teams under .500 since the ASB and they’re 9-3.
thelead wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Let's be real, non of this really matters.
Win or lose for rest of a way, including this game will still set you on same path:
1) play for playin
2) ugly loss in first round
Other 3 teams that are in alleged "race" don't even walk, let alone run.
1) Hawks season ended with Jalen Johnson season ending injury. Within next 8 days they dumped Hunter, their third best player for next to nothing and Bogdan for even less.
Starting Rookie + guy who is de facto rookie (Gueye) is everything you need to know.
They don't have pick to tank, but they will have Lakers pick and probably Kings pick( top 12 protected). So they don't give a f*** about playoffs.
Just look how Bogdan & Hunter play to figure how much they gave up with no intentions to win. Bogdan shoots like 60% for 3 on Clippers, Hunter 14 ppg on 65% TS on Cavs.
2) Miami Heat . Traded best player. Ever since their star players have most vague injuries possible. Kevin Love has been away from a team for a month for personal reasons, Jamie Jaquez random DNP-CDs, Terry Rozier suspended for illegal betting. Wiggins & Herro only played 14 games together. Every day Heat pulls at least one starter out because of "injury".
They are another team that starts 2 rookies. That is everything you need to know about playoff aspirations.
3) Bulls.. If somebody put gun on my head to pick one team who has owner who wants to make playoff under any cost i would pick Bulls.
Yet even 90 y.o. owner gave up. Trade out proves it.
vs Cavs they just gave :
White- rest
Huerter- cervical strain ( neck pain ?
Giddey "day to day" - forearm
Vučević- day to day- calf
Tre Jones- foot injury, original injury report said 2 weeks. Third week passing by, still not playing
Lonzo- wrist, out for 3 weeks, still not shut down for regular season (?? )
Btw this was game where Bulls could have got to 8th seed by beating Cavs if Hawks lost, and what they do? They shut down everybody, start rookie, play some guy who played 17 games in 3 years and run offense through Jevon Carter
On West, play in is blessing for teams. On East, play in is burden as you can't find 8 let alone 10 teams that want to make playoffs.
Our season has been a disappointment for sure but this is a whole lot of negativity for no reason. For you to bring up Jalen Johnson's injury, you should also mention that our season also ended when we lost an all-defense player and our only competent bench offensive option. And while I know we play more games vs the east, we're definitely not worse than the Kings who are also in the play-ins with the same exact record... all while missing so many games played by Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Mo. Again, I'm not happy about the way this season has gone but there's no need to tear apart what they have been able to do.
Now, if it was up to me, I'd fire Weltman for basketball negligence (not finding a starting pg) and if I could get Jenkins, I'd let Mosley go too.
GelbeWand09 wrote:Just read the last 3 pages and my head is spinning. Even Barbies world is not as pink.
This best young core of all time is not even top 3 (5?) young core this season.
Hell even when you take out the obvious young teams, even the Cavs have 3 at least fringe Allstars in the age range of our core who won at our last year's win rate even before Mitchell was there when healthy.
pepe1991 wrote:thelead wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Let's be real, non of this really matters.
Win or lose for rest of a way, including this game will still set you on same path:
1) play for playin
2) ugly loss in first round
Other 3 teams that are in alleged "race" don't even walk, let alone run.
1) Hawks season ended with Jalen Johnson season ending injury. Within next 8 days they dumped Hunter, their third best player for next to nothing and Bogdan for even less.
Starting Rookie + guy who is de facto rookie (Gueye) is everything you need to know.
They don't have pick to tank, but they will have Lakers pick and probably Kings pick( top 12 protected). So they don't give a f*** about playoffs.
Just look how Bogdan & Hunter play to figure how much they gave up with no intentions to win. Bogdan shoots like 60% for 3 on Clippers, Hunter 14 ppg on 65% TS on Cavs.
2) Miami Heat . Traded best player. Ever since their star players have most vague injuries possible. Kevin Love has been away from a team for a month for personal reasons, Jamie Jaquez random DNP-CDs, Terry Rozier suspended for illegal betting. Wiggins & Herro only played 14 games together. Every day Heat pulls at least one starter out because of "injury".
They are another team that starts 2 rookies. That is everything you need to know about playoff aspirations.
3) Bulls.. If somebody put gun on my head to pick one team who has owner who wants to make playoff under any cost i would pick Bulls.
Yet even 90 y.o. owner gave up. Trade out proves it.
vs Cavs they just gave :
White- rest
Huerter- cervical strain ( neck pain ?
Giddey "day to day" - forearm
Vučević- day to day- calf
Tre Jones- foot injury, original injury report said 2 weeks. Third week passing by, still not playing
Lonzo- wrist, out for 3 weeks, still not shut down for regular season (?? )
Btw this was game where Bulls could have got to 8th seed by beating Cavs if Hawks lost, and what they do? They shut down everybody, start rookie, play some guy who played 17 games in 3 years and run offense through Jevon Carter
On West, play in is blessing for teams. On East, play in is burden as you can't find 8 let alone 10 teams that want to make playoffs.
Our season has been a disappointment for sure but this is a whole lot of negativity for no reason. For you to bring up Jalen Johnson's injury, you should also mention that our season also ended when we lost an all-defense player and our only competent bench offensive option. And while I know we play more games vs the east, we're definitely not worse than the Kings who are also in the play-ins with the same exact record... all while missing so many games played by Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Mo. Again, I'm not happy about the way this season has gone but there's no need to tear apart what they have been able to do.
Now, if it was up to me, I'd fire Weltman for basketball negligence (not finding a starting pg) and if I could get Jenkins, I'd let Mosley go too.
Dude. Read again context of Jalen Johnson injury.
Shoulder season ending injury at January 29th.
February 7th - De'Andre Hunter (3rd best player on that team, after Jalen's injury second best player) traded for 2 Cavs bench players ( LeVert & Niang)
During same night, February 7th, Bogdan Bogdanovic ( scoring punch off bench, 6th man and only ball handler aside from Trae) traded for Terance Mann and Bones Hyland.
Boney Hyland cut immediately.
Within 8 days of injury of their (second?) best player they made lose now trades. That is definition of throwing season.
Magic lost Suggs and Mortiz before trade deadline. Month and half before actually. What stopped Weltman from doing any moves?
If we are on West, with current win rate vs conferences, we would have 34-48 record. That would be 3rd to 4th worst record there.
You have 10-25 record vs above .500 teams.
It's not about being negative, it's about speaking the truth. What's the point of play in if 3 out of 4 teams are looking how to avoid playoffs?
In race of hardly 6 good teams from East, you are 7th. 8th, 9th, 10th gave up.
Congratulations, for award you will face best team in nba to beat living crap out of you for 4 games.
pepe1991 wrote:GelbeWand09 wrote:Just read the last 3 pages and my head is spinning. Even Barbies world is not as pink.
This best young core of all time is not even top 3 (5?) young core this season.
Hell even when you take out the obvious young teams, even the Cavs have 3 at least fringe Allstars in the age range of our core who won at our last year's win rate even before Mitchell was there when healthy.
Rockets just won 52( hell, can be 55 ) games with:
Amen Thompson - 22 years old
Segun - 22 years old
Green -23 years old
Tari- 23 years old
Jabari -21 years old
Whitmore- 20 y.o.
So, best core in history?
thelead wrote:pepe1991 wrote:GelbeWand09 wrote:Just read the last 3 pages and my head is spinning. Even Barbies world is not as pink.
This best young core of all time is not even top 3 (5?) young core this season.
Hell even when you take out the obvious young teams, even the Cavs have 3 at least fringe Allstars in the age range of our core who won at our last year's win rate even before Mitchell was there when healthy.
Rockets just won 52( hell, can be 55 ) games with:
Amen Thompson - 22 years old
Segun - 22 years old
Green -23 years old
Tari- 23 years old
Jabari -21 years old
Whitmore- 20 y.o.
So, best core in history?
We'll just ignore FVV and Brooks being major contributors? Let's be honest, if we were healthy and had FVV, Brooks, Stevens, and Udoka, we would be MUCH better off too... but again, that's on Weltman.