Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Post #1801 » by **Knightro** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:59 pm

Latest mock from Jonathan Wasserman...

4. Jalen Green, SG, G-League Ignite
The Orlando Magic will only be thinking about drafting the best player available after trading Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier. Its front office never seemed to care about filing needs in the draft, even before its recent decision to reset the roster.

Jalen Green would give Orlando its first major cornerstone to build around. His scoring potential is as high as any prospect's in this field, given his quickness off the bounce, explosiveness at the rim, shot-creation skills and three-level shot-making ability.

He was the G League Ignite's top producer and most consistent weapon against former/current NBA pros and recent draft picks.

Adding bulk should allow Green to log minutes at the 3 and play with Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz.

10. Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor (next four picks - Moody, Wagner, Giddey, Sengun)
There are believers and skeptics of Davion Mitchell's breakout season and NCAA tournament. But all it takes is one believer. With two potential lottery picks, the Orlando Magic could use their second to grab the 22-year-old who, at the least, figures to immediately offer defensive pressure and explosiveness to the backcourt.

With Markelle Fultz coming off a torn ACL and the franchise still unsure what kind of guard it has in Cole Anthony, it's worth adding another ball-handler and combo guard. Aside from his blow-by burst and knack for forcing turnovers, Mitchell made notable improvements to his shooting and playmaking skills this year.

History says to be wary about drafting players his age in the lottery, but more often than not lately, a team still does it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939806-2021-nba-mock-draft-did-ncaa-tournament-hurt-any-college-prospects

The Effect · Post #1802 » by **The Effect** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:12 pm

Magic_Stick914 wrote:The way things are looking with our Center being injury prone .., Think we need to draft a C with our 36th second round pic ... Would love to have Green and J Johnson with our two first round picks

For a 2nd round pick center, what about this guy, totally forgot about him this year, but could pan out as a backup C

Watch on YouTube

The name might sound familar for some, he played for gonzaga last year and averaged like 18/8

Watch on YouTube

COuld be a nice pickup at 35

Magic_Stick914 · Post #1803 » by **Magic_Stick914** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:52 pm

The Effect wrote:
Magic_Stick914 wrote:The way things are looking with our Center being injury prone .., Think we need to draft a C with our 36th second round pic ... Would love to have Green and J Johnson with our two first round picks

For a 2nd round pick center, what about this guy, totally forgot about him this year, but could pan out as a backup C

Watch on YouTube

The name might sound familar for some, he played for gonzaga last year and averaged like 18/8

[youtube]_BwbD90APzA[/youtube

COuld be a nice pickup at 35

Yes sir I had him in mind ... I also have Ariel Hukporti

basketballRob · Post #1804 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:53 pm

Gang Green!

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basketballRob · Post #1805 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:08 pm

If the Bulls go like 2-8 in the next 10, I could see them trying to tank the rest of the games.

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zaymon · Post #1806 » by **zaymon** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:03 pm

basketballRob wrote:If the Bulls go like 2-8 in the next 10, I could see them trying to tank the rest of the games.

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Which would make their pick second best traded asset in the nba right after MIN pick.

thelead · Post #1807 » by **thelead** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:05 pm

zaymon wrote:
basketballRob wrote:If the Bulls go like 2-8 in the next 10, I could see them trying to tank the rest of the games.

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Which would make their pick second best traded asset in the nba right after MIN pick.

Trade asset for who? If they get a top 4 pick, they keep it.

drsd · Post #1808 » by **drsd** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:13 pm

Knightro wrote:Latest mock from Jonathan Wasserman...

4. Jalen Green, SG, G-League Ignite
The Orlando Magic will only be thinking about drafting the best player available after trading Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier. Its front office never seemed to care about filing needs in the draft, even before its recent decision to reset the roster.

Jalen Green would give Orlando its first major cornerstone to build around. His scoring potential is as high as any prospect's in this field, given his quickness off the bounce, explosiveness at the rim, shot-creation skills and three-level shot-making ability.

He was the G League Ignite's top producer and most consistent weapon against former/current NBA pros and recent draft picks.

Adding bulk should allow Green to log minutes at the 3 and play with Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz.

10. Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor (next four picks - Moody, Wagner, Giddey, Sengun)
There are believers and skeptics of Davion Mitchell's breakout season and NCAA tournament. But all it takes is one believer. With two potential lottery picks, the Orlando Magic could use their second to grab the 22-year-old who, at the least, figures to immediately offer defensive pressure and explosiveness to the backcourt.

With Markelle Fultz coming off a torn ACL and the franchise still unsure what kind of guard it has in Cole Anthony, it's worth adding another ball-handler and combo guard. Aside from his blow-by burst and knack for forcing turnovers, Mitchell made notable improvements to his shooting and playmaking skills this year.

History says to be wary about drafting players his age in the lottery, but more often than not lately, a team still does it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939806-2021-nba-mock-draft-did-ncaa-tournament-hurt-any-college-prospects

I agree with Green at #4 here.

But at #10, based on this mock, Moody, Wagner, Kispert, and Bouknight are still all on the board. I cannot see Mitchell before any of them.

zaymon · Post #1809 » by **zaymon** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:13 pm

thelead wrote:
zaymon wrote:
basketballRob wrote:If the Bulls go like 2-8 in the next 10, I could see them trying to tank the rest of the games.

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Which would make their pick second best traded asset in the nba right after MIN pick.

Trade asset for who? If they get a top 4 pick, they keep it.

there is more chance it will go 5-10, also it changes into top 3 protected 2022.

Post #1810 » by **Knightro** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:23 pm

basketballRob wrote:If the Bulls go like 2-8 in the next 10, I could see them trying to tank the rest of the games.

I don't see any scenario whatsoever that the Bulls try and tank.

If they go 2-8 over the next 10, that will still put them at 24 wins. They could pretty easily still be 8th or 9th worst with 24 wins.

Feels like at worst they're gonna win 5-6 more times to get them close to 30.

MagicFan101 · Post #1811 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:27 pm

Knightro wrote:Latest mock from Jonathan Wasserman...

4. Jalen Green, SG, G-League Ignite
The Orlando Magic will only be thinking about drafting the best player available after trading Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier. Its front office never seemed to care about filing needs in the draft, even before its recent decision to reset the roster.

Jalen Green would give Orlando its first major cornerstone to build around. His scoring potential is as high as any prospect's in this field, given his quickness off the bounce, explosiveness at the rim, shot-creation skills and three-level shot-making ability.

He was the G League Ignite's top producer and most consistent weapon against former/current NBA pros and recent draft picks.

Adding bulk should allow Green to log minutes at the 3 and play with Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz.

10. Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor (next four picks - Moody, Wagner, Giddey, Sengun)
There are believers and skeptics of Davion Mitchell's breakout season and NCAA tournament. But all it takes is one believer. With two potential lottery picks, the Orlando Magic could use their second to grab the 22-year-old who, at the least, figures to immediately offer defensive pressure and explosiveness to the backcourt.

With Markelle Fultz coming off a torn ACL and the franchise still unsure what kind of guard it has in Cole Anthony, it's worth adding another ball-handler and combo guard. Aside from his blow-by burst and knack for forcing turnovers, Mitchell made notable improvements to his shooting and playmaking skills this year.

History says to be wary about drafting players his age in the lottery, but more often than not lately, a team still does it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939806-2021-nba-mock-draft-did-ncaa-tournament-hurt-any-college-prospects

Not a bad duo to end up with. We all know what Green has to offer. For what it’s worth, Chad Ford currently has Mitchell listed #6 on his latest Mock:

06 DAVION MITCHELL

PG, BAYLOR, JUNIOR
Primary Attributes: Playmaking, Defense
Age 22.6 | 6'2" | 205

We’ve been singing Mitchell’s praises in the last couple of Big Boards and moved him up to No. 18 on Big Board 3.0 before the NCAA Tournament started. Last month we said if he were two years younger, he’d be a top-10 pick. Well ... after Mitchell led Baylor to an NCAA championship in which he proved that he was not only the best on-the-ball defender in college basketball but also the engine that really made Baylor’s offense run, I believe he’s moved into the top 10. What’s more, he’s in the mix to be the first player off the board after the consensus top-5 prospects are gone.

His age works against him, for sure. But I’m not sure there’s another player in this draft that has his combination of athleticism, toughness and offensive and defensive skills. His draft rise reminds me a lot of what happened with Damian Lillard as we got closer and closer to the draft.

RookieStar · Post #1812 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:31 pm

tiderulz wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
The Effect wrote:
Same, thats why my ideal draft would involve us getting Green and then another scoring wing with our chicago pick, but still im not passing on mobley for a lesser talent just for position. If anything, you use the top 5 pick to get the best player available, and then fill the wing need with the chicago pick

Il join you in this bandwagon. If we are "forced" to settle for Mobley then Im down with it. Dont trade down. Use the CHI pick for the highyl touted wing player outside the top5.

Besides as someone has said, big men takes time to develop. Look at Dwight. And with the the injury history of our current big men ( JI Bamba WCJ ) then... why not?

Dwight put up 16/12 his 2nd year, 18/12 his 3rd year, 21/14 his 4th. that isnt taking long to develop.

Dwight is one of a kind. If Mobley can bulk up as quickly as Dwight can, then I think by his 2nd year Mobley can average the points. Not sure about the rebounds though.

RookieStar · Post #1813 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:33 pm

drsd wrote:
Knightro wrote:Latest mock from Jonathan Wasserman...

4. Jalen Green, SG, G-League Ignite
The Orlando Magic will only be thinking about drafting the best player available after trading Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier. Its front office never seemed to care about filing needs in the draft, even before its recent decision to reset the roster.

Jalen Green would give Orlando its first major cornerstone to build around. His scoring potential is as high as any prospect's in this field, given his quickness off the bounce, explosiveness at the rim, shot-creation skills and three-level shot-making ability.

He was the G League Ignite's top producer and most consistent weapon against former/current NBA pros and recent draft picks.

Adding bulk should allow Green to log minutes at the 3 and play with Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz.

10. Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor (next four picks - Moody, Wagner, Giddey, Sengun)
There are believers and skeptics of Davion Mitchell's breakout season and NCAA tournament. But all it takes is one believer. With two potential lottery picks, the Orlando Magic could use their second to grab the 22-year-old who, at the least, figures to immediately offer defensive pressure and explosiveness to the backcourt.

With Markelle Fultz coming off a torn ACL and the franchise still unsure what kind of guard it has in Cole Anthony, it's worth adding another ball-handler and combo guard. Aside from his blow-by burst and knack for forcing turnovers, Mitchell made notable improvements to his shooting and playmaking skills this year.

History says to be wary about drafting players his age in the lottery, but more often than not lately, a team still does it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939806-2021-nba-mock-draft-did-ncaa-tournament-hurt-any-college-prospects

I agree with Green at #4 here.

But at #10, based on this mock, Moody, Wagner, Kispert, and Bouknight are still all on the board. I cannot see Mitchell before any of them.

Same. While I could see Green at #4. There is no way any competent GM would draft Mitchell at the top-10.

Post #1814 » by **Knightro** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:56 pm

RookieStar wrote:Same. While I could see Green at #4. There is no way any competent GM would draft Mitchell at the top-10.

Strongly agree. There's no way I would draft Mitchell in the top 10.

ogmagicfan · Post #1815 » by **ogmagicfan** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:45 pm

Who do yall think are players outside the expected top 10 that’ll be all-stars?

For context: 2017 All-Stars: 3 (B. Adebayo, D. Mitchell and J. Tatum) – 2 out of 3 taken outside the top 10

2016 All-Stars: 5 (J. Brown, B. Ingram, D. Sabonis, P. Siakam and B. Simmons) – 2 out of 5 taken outside the top 10

2015 All-Stars: 4 (D. Booker, K. Porziņģis, D. Russell and K. Towns) – 1 out of 4 taken outside the top 10

2014 All-Stars: 4 (J. Embiid, N. Jokić, Z. LaVine and J. Randle) – 2 out of 4 taken outside the top 10

2013 All-Stars: 3 (G. Antetokounmpo, R. Gobert and V. Oladipo) – 2 out of 3 taken outside the top 10

2012 All-Stars: 6 (B. Beal, A. Davis, A. Drummond, D. Green, D. Lillard and K. Middleton) – 2 out of 6 taken outside the top 10

2011 All-Stars: 7 (J. Butler, K. Irving, K. Leonard, I. Thomas, K. Thompson, N. Vučević and K. Walker) – 5 out of 7 taken outside the top 10

drsd · Post #1816 » by **drsd** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:45 pm

RookieStar wrote:Dwight is one of a kind. If Mobley can bulk up as quickly as Dwight can, then I think by his 2nd year Mobley can average the points. Not sure about the rebounds though.

Mobley's upside is Anthony Davis. He has a very good chance to be the best player taken in this draft. But as the league is going guard-focused, his high floor and higher ceiling will probably be eclipsed by Cunningham "modern NBA game".

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tiderulz · Post #1817 » by **tiderulz** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:04 pm

RookieStar wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Il join you in this bandwagon. If we are "forced" to settle for Mobley then Im down with it. Dont trade down. Use the CHI pick for the highyl touted wing player outside the top5.

Besides as someone has said, big men takes time to develop. Look at Dwight. And with the the injury history of our current big men ( JI Bamba WCJ ) then... why not?

Dwight put up 16/12 his 2nd year, 18/12 his 3rd year, 21/14 his 4th. that isnt taking long to develop.

Dwight is one of a kind. If Mobley can bulk up as quickly as Dwight can, then I think by his 2nd year Mobley can average the points. Not sure about the rebounds though.

well then why did you specifically name Dwight? Shaq didnt take time. Embiid didnt take time to develop, just needed to get healthy.

and personally, i dont want Mobley. We need better wings.

RookieStar · Post #1818 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:27 pm

tiderulz wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
tiderulz wrote:Dwight put up 16/12 his 2nd year, 18/12 his 3rd year, 21/14 his 4th. that isnt taking long to develop.

Dwight is one of a kind. If Mobley can bulk up as quickly as Dwight can, then I think by his 2nd year Mobley can average the points. Not sure about the rebounds though.

well then why did you specifically name Dwight? Shaq didnt take time. Embiid didnt take time to develop, just needed to get healthy.

and personally, i dont want Mobley. We need better wings.

Because as you stated Dwight put up those stats BUT I don't recall us being successful despite his averages. Thus, FOR ME, his stats were forgettable at that time.

Sorry can't comment on Shaq cuz Im too young to notice basketball when he was a rookie.

As for Embiid. healthy or not he did take time to develop. Or put it this way.. we will never know if a healthy rookie embiid would be as productive when he was able to play consistently for the whole season.

And yes personally, Im with you,we need better wings especially with how RAW our current "wings" are. I only have Mobley BEFORE Kuminga. Otherwise I take the 3 other wings.

RookieStar · Post #1819 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:28 pm

drsd wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Dwight is one of a kind. If Mobley can bulk up as quickly as Dwight can, then I think by his 2nd year Mobley can average the points. Not sure about the rebounds though.

Mobley's upside is Anthony Davis. He has a very good chance to be the best player taken in this draft. But as the league is going guard-focused, his high floor and higher ceiling will probably be eclipsed by Cunningham "modern NBA game".

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Really? AD? Those are big shoes to fill. I honestly dunno about that comparison though.

Magic_Stick914 · Post #1820 » by **Magic_Stick914** » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:41 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
Knightro wrote:Latest mock from Jonathan Wasserman...

4. Jalen Green, SG, G-League Ignite
The Orlando Magic will only be thinking about drafting the best player available after trading Nikola Vucevic, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier. Its front office never seemed to care about filing needs in the draft, even before its recent decision to reset the roster.

Jalen Green would give Orlando its first major cornerstone to build around. His scoring potential is as high as any prospect's in this field, given his quickness off the bounce, explosiveness at the rim, shot-creation skills and three-level shot-making ability.

He was the G League Ignite's top producer and most consistent weapon against former/current NBA pros and recent draft picks.

Adding bulk should allow Green to log minutes at the 3 and play with Cole Anthony and Markelle Fultz.

10. Davion Mitchell, G, Baylor (next four picks - Moody, Wagner, Giddey, Sengun)
There are believers and skeptics of Davion Mitchell's breakout season and NCAA tournament. But all it takes is one believer. With two potential lottery picks, the Orlando Magic could use their second to grab the 22-year-old who, at the least, figures to immediately offer defensive pressure and explosiveness to the backcourt.

With Markelle Fultz coming off a torn ACL and the franchise still unsure what kind of guard it has in Cole Anthony, it's worth adding another ball-handler and combo guard. Aside from his blow-by burst and knack for forcing turnovers, Mitchell made notable improvements to his shooting and playmaking skills this year.

History says to be wary about drafting players his age in the lottery, but more often than not lately, a team still does it.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939806-2021-nba-mock-draft-did-ncaa-tournament-hurt-any-college-prospects

Not a bad duo to end up with. We all know what Green has to offer. For what it’s worth, Chad Ford currently has Mitchell listed #6 on his latest Mock:

06 DAVION MITCHELL

PG, BAYLOR, JUNIOR
Primary Attributes: Playmaking, Defense
Age 22.6 | 6'2" | 205

We’ve been singing Mitchell’s praises in the last couple of Big Boards and moved him up to No. 18 on Big Board 3.0 before the NCAA Tournament started. Last month we said if he were two years younger, he’d be a top-10 pick. Well ... after Mitchell led Baylor to an NCAA championship in which he proved that he was not only the best on-the-ball defender in college basketball but also the engine that really made Baylor’s offense run, I believe he’s moved into the top 10. What’s more, he’s in the mix to be the first player off the board after the consensus top-5 prospects are gone.

His age works against him, for sure. But I’m not sure there’s another player in this draft that has his combination of athleticism, toughness and offensive and defensive skills. His draft rise reminds me a lot of what happened with Damian Lillard as we got closer and closer to the draft.

What about Corey Kispert? ... Like JJ Redick back in 06 ... for sure bucket ... with CHI pick ... and having drafted Green and a back up European Center :oops: